TheShader

Just now, sblfilms said:

 

You could also use your own power of self control and not respond instead of expect other people on a discussion board to not discuss things.

Same to you. 

11 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

I wish the internet never learned the term "bad faith", as it gets applied to all sorts of things that are no more than simple disagreement.

My area of study in university and professionally is speech and rhetoric, I know what bad faith is and what it looks like. 

What I wist is when things like this are stated there wasn't someone to hop along and act llke 'you just can't handle a disagreement' when someone states they've had enough with someone else's words or actions. 

12 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro are MSM, that's my point. I'm talking/discussing them and other media people taking the "trans narrative" and running with it, weaponizing it. You can't separate them from the rest of "MSM" because most people solely get their news from such people and places like Fox News. That's where the concern lies, not with CNN reporting the facts of a mass shooting.

It's not worth discussing this with them. They are not discussing this issue in good faith, and nothing you say will convince them of anything because they don't want to be convinced or have an open mind. 

The single post followed by '1 year later' had me in stitches. I'm not sure if it's actually funny or I'm still just waking up. 

33 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

The claim about the trans identity originated from the police, and that came from the writings left by the shooter. 

The claim was originally quoted that  " We feel that she identifies as trans, but we’re still in the initial investigation into all of that and if it actually played a role into this incident."

They had not investigated enough to even feel confident that the shooter was trans. Which was quite frankly dangerous and unprofessional on their end. We still do not know what the contents of the manifest are other than the shooter had further plans of violence.

I don't know how anyone can say that the reporting on this was fine. The entire internet is on fire about this and most people's formed opinions have been horribly incorrect as news media have all been rushing out inaccurate or misleading articles in order to gain those sweet clicks and views. I haven't seen any two people have the same view of what the facts were, and I have seen very few people who have opinions that are actually backed up by the actual information available. This whole event has been a prime example of the damage bad reporting can cause.

20 minutes ago, BloodyHell said:

So you choose one shooting and only the day of when info was still coming in?

Also, I don't think Lanza had any political ideology whatsoever, he was extremely troubled, but not politically motivated (IIRC). That doesn't change that "right wing" and "White nationalist" show up in headlines all the time, and should. It's not the medias job to decide what information we should have. 

 

 

Yes, one shooting, because I'm not going to sit here at work for an hour proving this point only for you to move the goal post and continue to say 'nuh uh'. And what is more relevant than the day of the shooting? All the headlines Monday were of the shooter being trans, the day of the shooting, not three months later after everyone has forgotten about it and moved on. Because let's be real, even with this shooting most Americans have already moved on and formed their opinions based on the initial first day of the shooting. No information that comes forward from here will puncture the formed opinions general society has made, including if the investigation shows a full reversal of the claim that the shooter is trans.

It is well documented that minorities are reported upon differently than minority groups when it comes to any crime, and that includes mass shootings. I don't need to sit here and waste time at work convincing you when you clearly just want to believe what you believe.

43 minutes ago, BloodyHell said:

I mean, you're correct about the other stuff, but you're wrong about this. The media is extremely quick to point out when a shooter is a white, conservative, male. And rightfully so. I don't know how you can pretend that when there's a white shooter, every detail isn't poured over and made a headline??

Headlines the day of the Sandy Hook shooting:

Can we do at least a modicum of research when discussing a serious tragedy of gun violence and trying to quote politicians over it that are blatantly purposeful misinterpretations of reality? People are dead, trans people are being harassed/sent death threats/physically attacked, but you can't spend five seconds checking the context of a quote before posting it in a discussion about said things?

25 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said:

"Thank you. My name is Joe Biden. I'm Dr. Jill Biden's husband. And I eat Jeni's Ice Cream, chocolate chip. I came down because I heard there was chocolate chip ice cream. By the way, I have a whole refrigerator full upstairs. You think I'm kidding, I'm not."

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The video footage is authentic. Joe Biden started his speech on Monday with these exact words, as the official transcriptof Biden's speech confirms.

But most of the posts omit the context of Biden's remarks. His speech was not intended to address the shooting, but was held for a very different event.

As the transcript shows, the president was actually speaking at the Small Business Administration's Women's Business Summit hosted at the White House. Right before Biden started his remarks, the full footage of the eventshows President Biden was cheerfully introduced to an audience of women business leaders. Hence, Biden's opening remarks were equally buoyant.

Fact check: Biden, the Nashville shooting, and ice cream

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Yes, US President Biden did joke about chocolate chip ice cream before addressing the school shooting in Nashville. But his remarks have been stripped of significant context.

9 hours ago, CastletonSnob said:

Republicans:

Nixon: Tried to prolong the Vietnam War to ger re-elected. Watergate.

Reagan: Cheated to win the 1980 election. Iran-Contra.

Bush Jr: The War in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Democrats:

Clinton: Lied about having an affair.

"BoTh PaRtieS ArE ThE SaMe!"

I'm guessing you actually tried to include the immediate past president but hit the character limit.

1 hour ago, Remarkableriots said:

@TheShader Hey

The only exception seems to be when people go the opposite direction and use punctuation willy nilly. Just, tossing in; punctuations...wherever they really, feel like it!!!?

2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

and punctuation is forbidden.

In my experience, this isn't generation specific. If you can tell me how to get the Boomers, Gen X, and Millenials around me to use punctuation then I'm all ears. Doubly so if you can tell me how to get them to use it properly.

16 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said:

 

I don't think this is true. From what I've seen is they ONLY speak in memes. 

I remember they specifically went through a phase where it was exclusively unintelligible memes, and the fact that the memes were equivalent to absolute gibberish was the point.

Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Also snoop has a kids show and it’s pretty great

First time I saw a clip it really sunk in what a wild timeline we live in. 

5 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

All the talk and focus on “mental health” is just fluff, then?

🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀Always has been 

This goes for any kind of messaging, to be honest. I've had people that will text 'Hey' and then wait for my response before saying what they want. It's infuriating. And they always take forever between responses.

Friend: Hey

Me: Hey, what's up, need something?

*20 minutes later*

Friend: What are you up to?

Me: Not much at the moment, why?

*35 minutes later*

Friend: Was just wanting to ask you something

Me: Sure, what is it!?

*45 minutes later*

Friend: Was wondering if you wanted to catch lunch today?

Me: WELL IF YOU HAD ASKED THAT IN THE FIRST TEXT, BUT NOW IT'S 12:30 SO I ALREADY GRABBED FOOD FOR LUNCH 10 MINUTES AGO SO NO

I told my very white coworker about the news story, and he was also confused as he didn't know what it stood for until I explained it to him. I'm flabbergasted.

32 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Then it was not only appropriate for the Police to report this fact, it was NECESSARY. I don't condone what this shooter did for ANY reason at all and was disgusted when I saw the footage of them shooting their way into the school and stalking through the halls with two fucking AR guns looking for innocent victims to shoot.

There's a few problems at play here, though.

1) The original response was on whether or not it's ok to misgender people who are pieces of shit such as a mass shooter, which unequivocally no matter how much a piece of shit someone is it is NOT ok to be bigoted towards them. Just as it wouldn't be ok to start tossing around racial slurs and say it's acceptable 'because the act itself was terrible'. Being racist/transphobic/homophobic is simply never acceptable, and these situations don't give anyone a magic pass to be an asshole themselves.

2) As far as I'm aware, it hasn't been confirmed the person is actually trans, and the fact that the news have immediately taken that and ran with it IS a problem. Especially when it's been a consistent problem with news immediately taking shaky claims to mass shooters being trans, running with it, and then being dead silent when it comes out that the rumor they were trans was absolute BS. This is being done to intentionally harm the trans community.

3) There is a larger systemic issue of news reporters ONLY reporting someone's demographic if and when they turn out to be from one or more minority groups. We have a huge problem in which 'White Christian male shoots up mall' almost never makes the headlines, but 'Black Muslim man arrested for murdering his wife' constantly does. This hurts these minority groups as it builds a stigma over time that they are a larger 'threat' to God-fearing-innocent-white-Americans™ even when the statistics do not back up this claim. People don't read statistics, they read headlines.

4) There are most definitely things we can do to reduce these numbers, and there are most definitely demographics that are perpetuating these atrocities more than others. Outliers don't prove that it's everybody, it proves that outliers will always exist. Whether or not the shooter was trans in this case does not suddenly mean there is a widespread case of trans mass shooters. We're at the point in which there have been more mass shootings than we've had days in the year. And the solution isn't 'Well now every demographic has done it, guess there's no way to prevent this now'. This is entirely preventable, the problem is the fires are being purposefully stoked by extremists in our country while shouting 'thoughts and prayers' so they don't have to enact any change. Not to forget that we had a president not that long ago that encouraged very specific demographics in our country to commit these awful atrocities.

14 minutes ago, Ominous said:

Apparently the right is calling this a hate crime, and coincidentally this is the first time they have cared about hate crimes.

I had to deal with a phone call this morning with a guy ranting about how we should ban trans people now that they've proven to be a violent mentally ill cult. It was great for my mental well being 🙃.

Just now, mclumber1 said:

 

You everyday carry (EDC) pineapple?  Do you like have a pair of cargo shorts or something you keep these pineapple slices in?  

18 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said:

(Mexicans do this with onions in a fire)

Is there another way to store cooked onions and jalapenos!?

19 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Don't most transgendered people

Transgender people. For the record 'Transgendered' is demeaning language. It has the same connotation as calling people 'Blacks' and also implies that it's something they became rather than something they are.

That said, I don't have the energy to further talk on the issue of this shooting and it's best anyway to let a trans person talk on the subject anyway, so I stole a Facebook post instead that I think says enough:

I'll be honest, I didn't know @sblfilms was black until this thread.