legend

I don't have any desire to have the X-men integrated into the MCU, but if anyone can pull it off...

Fuck. The lack of Tales from the Boarderlands sales is a god damn crime.

Not sure how directly it affects things, but I can't find PS4 Pros for sale anymore  

2 hours ago, sblfilms said:

 

So I just spent 10 minutes looking through his tweets at some of the responses and I feel some actually solidify the “interpretation” that Oz was giving essentially an “I don’t see color” claim. I think this is particularly clear in an exchange with one gay person where Oz says something to the effect of your sexuality isn’t your only defining characteristic.

 

The error here is that society does largely define individuals in marginalized people groups by those charactertistics! This is why people bang the drum of representation for marginalized communities. Notwithstanding his personal failures, it was a societal good for the Cosby Show to show a Black family in which both spouses were highly educated and financially successful in their fields, a Black husband who loved his wife and was faithful to her, a Black father who raised his children well.

 

I don’t think Oz was wrong, just as the “I don’t see color” people are wrong to feel the way they do, but it is a privilege to not be concerned about your race or sexuality or nation of origin or whatever else about you is an immutable characteristic that the society as a whole places as less than to some degree.

I agree that telling someone they have other characteristics is much more guilty of the "I don't see color" analogy, I must have missed that one. But that doesn't seem to be his primary claim. He seemed receptive to the importance of gay representation, but that it simply isn't the case of B&E and that we shouldn't feel the need to label them or know their sexuality.

So maybe he is guilty of it while also pushing a more sensible position simultaneously.

18 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

I think there are a few camps on this subject, and I believe I get the view of each. I'm all about progress in tech, but I understand how the unwritten contract of "This" costs X dollars historically is causing most budget conscious gamers to say:

 

 

However, I prefer to see it as:

 

 

People disappointing with the 2080 might well become a fair bit more interested in the card once the DLSS support is there. Linus tech has made the point that this series seems rushed and at least from a software perspective, I can see that. But I can also look forward to Q1 of 2019 and think, these features will get some solid bus and pick up rapidly! 

 Yeah I totally understand people on a more sane budget for gaming balking at this price. But fuck it's exciting and those of us willing to spend that kind of cash on this kind of stuff should!

5 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

I'm probably jumping the gun here, but since that video said that lower resolutions work too ... what about DLSS in a Switch successor?

I can dream.

Depends I suppose, on how fast Nvidia can miniaturize this architecture with low power demands, and how soon Nintendo might put out a successor.

There is hope that miniaturization won't be too far off on Nvidia's side; at least with respect to tensors cores taking a bigger slice, because Nvidia has lots of orthogonal incentives for that. For example, there is already the Jetson Xavier which is a small low-power SoC and boasts tensor core support.

That product's primary role, as you might imagine, is for those devious individuals trying to get deep learning power on robots and sensors  But it also means it could be easy for them to provide something for portable devices like a new Switch successor.

Also, their analogy to the Geforce 3 is precisely the point I've been trying to make. People need to look beyond the immediate results on games as they are when it releases. It's fine to have some skepticism there and want to wait a bit longer to see how strong it really is, but you have to factor it in and thus far all signs are really positive.

1 minute ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

It seems so! I'm also hopefully that this particular feature will see broad adoption. 

 Me too! Also, lets get VR headsets to have 4K displays and then use DLSS to make it practical!

1 hour ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

Nice. So this is indeed suggesting that that the standard way DLSS is going to be used is rasterizing at something lower like 1440 and then using DLSS to superscale it to 4K (as opposed to rasterizing at 4K, superscaling to something higher, and then downsampling it for AA).

55 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said:

Frank Oz says that it doesn’t matter what sexuality they are but he obviously thinks it matters if he’s going out of his way to clarify that they aren’t gay.

He never thought it important to convey to people their sexuality and he's questioning peoples need to label it anyway. But if people insist on knowing, he designed the characters to be best friends and that's it; they were not designed to be lovers.

Speculating on my part: he might also be a little annoyed that people insist that their relationship can't be one of just friendship: the original motivation; that it has to have a sexual component too.

8 hours ago, sblfilms said:

He may have had additional thoughts, but these additional thoughts don’t seem to deal with what he said in the quoted tweet. I’ll look later. But the key line in the original tweet is the last one which is exactly the sentiment of the “I don’t see color” folks. The point is that straight people don’t have to be concerned with their identity in the same way white people don’t have to be concerned with their race, so it seems strange to many straight people and white people when marginalized people do.

I can see how in isolation it can be taken that way, but I also don't think it has to read that way either. Twitter is kind of awful in how its forced brevity can easily lead to multiple interpretations. It's easy to project a lot more onto what is said based on  expectations, often the worst expectations. On multiple occasions on twitter I've sat there and tried to find the best way to phrase something within the limit that would avoid bad interpretations; still have people leap to the misinterpretation I was striving to avoid; and then after they talk with me a bit more realize that's not what I was saying. 

I think in general when we look at a tweet we need to be a little more circumspect before we morally chastise some for that reason. (I'm also guilty of not being perfect about this)

Unless you're Donald Trump who (1) ought to have professionals supervising his tweets to make sure they come out well; and (2) for whom there never is anything deeper going on in his head.  

Also, I realize you already said you'd take a look at the other stuff, but I kind of felt like ranting about this for independent reasons  

2 hours ago, sblfilms said:

I don’t think he did, actually. What did you take Oz to mean other than the LGBT equivalent of “I don’t see color”?

Frank left a bunch of replies on twitter which perhaps helps gives some further context to his thoughts. My read of what he's saying isn't the gay equivalent of "I don't see color" it's that society insisting on knowing the sexuality is a perverse tabloid kind of thinking. It's not important to who the characters are and it would be no one's business if they were real people, but society insists on knowing and labeling them all the same. 

In something more grounded to real people, it parallels society's in insistence on knowing what the relationship status was between Tessa Thompson and Janelle Monae. Something I only know about because I saw people on twitter obsessed with it, despite the fact that they just wanted to be private and not have to label it themselves.

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/doctor-who-showrunner-chris-chibnall-promises-no-daleks-no-missy-no-river-in-new-season

 

@legend

 

I dig it. I don't want them to be gone forever but they do need to have occasional breaks for it to keep being special/exciting to see them.

Yeah I think it can be fun to bring some characters/monsters back, but I don't think we need any of that in the first season of a new doctor and show runner.

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Roy Moore calls on GOP to 'take a stand' and support Kavanaugh amid sex abuse allegation

 

Just now, Boyle5150 said:

What does this have to do with him?

Well I guess just the "make up" part. We can both still kiss you. 

28 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said:

@legend @Spork3245   You guys need to kiss me and make up!!

I won't object, but I don't think there is any need  I'm still down with spork.

49 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Actually, let’s just review for a moment. I legitimately thought that you were asking me to clarify my position and have been attempting to do so. You now tell me that I am “pleading” by responding to you with clarification of my posts, thoughts, reasoning and position on something I have been consistent on for the 7+ years I have posted here, even after your second insult to me when I did no such thing to you prior to your attempted “gotcha”. Yet, now I am somehow “pleading” because your “gotcha” was just me going “  “ and responding with more clarification. I’ve never known you to act like an arrogant douchebag until now, but it’s good to know your actual character, I suppose. I eagerly await more of you attempting to talk down to me and a reply laden with lol and rofl emojis.

Enjoy your dinner. 

Okay, lets review. I was legitimately trying to have a discussion with you. Then you accuse me of putting words in your mouth when I've put in an effort to carefully look at what you said and respond to it.  So I give you back a little bit of sass in kind and now you're upset with that? Really?

But yes, you are engaging in special pleading. You took a hardline stance that because a card won't always max out a game a 60fps that it couldn't be called a 4K/60 card. I showed how this led to the conclusion that basically no card is ever safe in that sense, and suddenly you're willing to grant exceptions. There's no more reason to disqualify ray tracing as a critical aspect of maxing out a game than there is literally any other graphical feature. In fact, because ray tracing can have impacts on how you play the game, it's arguably a more worthy feature to be concerned with than a higher res texture map, or foliage draw distance, or hairworks, etc. When you take a hardline position in opposition to someone's claim, and then adhoc add exceptions whenever it suits you, that's special pleading.

Of course I'm with you that disqualifying the 1080Ti as a 1080/60 card because it won't be able to do ray tracing--or any number of potentially really cool graphical features these new cards will afford--is silly.  But that's the point: an absolutist simple criteria for this term is not a useful criteria. Unless you want to also deny 1080Ti being a 1080/60 card, you're in no position to reject Crispy taking a slightly more nuanced definition.

That's all I'll further say on the matter.

Just now, Spork3245 said:

 

Actually, since RT isn’t available I would not consider it part of the max settings on a card that doesn’t support it.

In regards to RT performance, I would only compare it to other cards that support RT and specifically when RT is used. In which case the 2080 Ti becomes almost a 4k/60 card and a 1080p/60 RT card.

This really isn’t hard to follow, especially since I previously stated that RT is a whole different story (twice).

 

Go home, Legend, you need to reboot your OS.

 Your special pleading is over 9000!!!! I'm out. I need to eat dinner anyway.

6 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

No, I never stated such a thing, though your attempt at changing my argument and putting words in my mouth is noted.

I wouldn’t change the target performance/settings for an AMD card because it doesn’t support hairworks either.

Oh? Lets review:

3 hours ago, crispy4000 said:

I'd say it's a 4k60 card.  Just not one that will always run that way under maxed out settings.

3 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

Then it's not a 4k/60 card, and if it is then so is my SLI 980 Ti.

You explicitly disagreed that its a 4K/60 card if it can't run at 60fps at maxed out settings for everything. Yet here you are refusing to disqualify a 1080Ti as a 1080/60 card even though we know that very soon it will not be able to maxout the settings *at all*, let alone at 60fps! 

Go home Spork, you're drunk.

1 minute ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Then it definitely does not disqualify the 10xx series as the option to use it isn’t even available...

5 minutes ago, legend said:

But that just makes it worse! Not only can you not maxout at 1080P at 60fps with a 1080Ti, you can't even max it out on a 1080Ti card period, which by your absolutist definition disqualifies it.

Just now, Spork3245 said:

 

I’m asking of the option will be greyed out...

Almost surely.

7 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Ray-Tracing is really a different story, and will a 1080 Ti even be able to use RT? I thought it was hardware dependent?

Could it? Sure. It would run like complete and utter dog shit and I seriously doubt developers will take the time to even try to support it on a lesser card. But that just makes it worse! Not only can you not maxout at 1080P at 60fps with a 1080Ti, you can't even max it out on a 1080Ti card period, which by your absolutist definition disqualifies it.

2 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

 

It's no longer a 1080/60 card, no. I would certainly say that it's good for 1080p/60 in most games, though (or a "mid-range card" where sacrifices should be expected).  

If 1080p/60 (ultra) is your goal for the next 12-months I wouldn't recommend less than a 1070/980 Ti... But, that card (your 980) is 4 years old now.

Forget about my 4 year old card; by this absolutist naming scheme it's even worse! The moment a game with ray tracing support comes out, a 1080Ti will also fail to be a 1080/60 card! Does it not strike you as a bit silly to draw the line like this?

19 minutes ago, Nokt said:

Yeah I definitely would like to see games adopt it more, but thats a big IF.

Thats exactly the problem, if the adoption rate is low support will be lost and I'll have wasted a couple hundred bucks.

Not planning on upgrading to 4k for some time. 2k 144hz on high is my bar for now.

This is why I think we should encourage this stuff. If you're the kind of person willing to drop that dough on a video card, and the tech is what it says it is, lets reward it and give it the support to get this awesome new era started!

22 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Then it's not a 4k/60 card, and if it is then so is my SLI 980 Ti.

There has to be a little fuzziness to this though, no? Otherwise my 980 isn't a 1080/60 card, because I can find games with some really demanding high-end features that cause it to be sub 60 for a fair chunk of the time.

Also, just to give a taste of why DLSS is only the beginning, you can train the net to do all kinds of additional things, not just super scaling. That means you can have really compute-intensive post-processing techniques and then train a net to do it in a more efficient way.

It will be really interesting to see how creative devs get with this. This many tensor cores is a wild card, but it could lead to some truly awesome stuff.