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16 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

It’s literally impossible to know right now unless you have full game spoilers.  They could lean into characters in Crisis Core.  They could lean into the characters in the DLC.  They could do both.

 

Both would be a departure from og FF7 and Remake lore, not counting the DLC.  Crisis Core also elaborates some of the beats you should already know from the PS1 days, but maybe not in such consequential ways. (?) 

 

No, I don't have any full game spoilers. But I still don't see how anything in the Yuffie DLC has to be seen and that cannot be easily communicated to the player in Rebirth. The Yuffie DLC is very much a "for the fans" kind of story, like an OVA.

1 minute ago, Spork3245 said:

Not sure what’s getting lost in a reply this simplistic either:

 

 

Correct, that's what I said, which is not what you said I said. Especially when I elaborated to you what I meant by not being "critical" later. But I think we should just drop it. 

1 hour ago, crispy4000 said:

The things left unexplained in the DLC may be explained later.  But I could see it being a situation where you see these characters have some history but lack context.

 

Giant Bomb hinted that Yuffie becomes a more major character than the original by the end.  That alone is enough reason to familiarize yourself with the events of Intergrade.  It may not be window dressing, we don’t know, other than they will be dipping from the well in places Remake didn’t.

Sure, you'll get more context. That's why I said you'll better understanding her background and motivations, but it still not critical. If we were going by this reasoning, Crisis Core is *vastly* more critical than the Yuffie DLC and I don't think that's critical to play either.

1 hour ago, Spork3245 said:

You said you don’t recall anything important, I only noted what could be important going forward and wasn’t arguing about anything 

That's not what I said and I also elaborated on what I meant by it not being critical. Not sure where things are getting lost.

41 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

Or you know, who that guy is you fight right at the end.  Or the other one.  Or the fact that they’re there has implications about who else they’ll bring in.

 

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Genesis, per the ending of Crisis Core.

Its easy to see this stuff factoring into at least one of the timelines.  Yuffie’s plot isn’t really done in that regard, and really, it could end up being the larger party’s issue as well.

Sure, there's references to stuff. But it's all window dressing. I find it hard to believe that playing the Yuffie DLC will make a difference in understanding Rebirth.

32 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Sure, but you should still check out a summary  

If someone want's the read a two sentence summary in advance I'm not going to stop them! Nevertheless, I maintain that it is not critical to play the DLC before you play Rebirth. You'll be able to follow Rebirth just fine. Or at least as well as without (The FF7 story isn't exactly simple so I can see people have trouble regardless   )

9 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Two of the people ITT haven't played Intermission which is why it's being discussed  

 

 

I think you're mixing me up with crispy. I was only replying to: "but I just don't see what they presented as being critical to the rest of the story." with what I thought may potentially impact Rebirth, I never said the Remake DLC needed to be played, just implied that there may be some narrative carryover and that's why it shouldn't be completely skipped (ie: watch/read a summary at least)  

But not being critical I meant you don't need to play it, you can skip it and go straight to rebirth.

21 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

You should be doing a bit more spoiler tags,

I suppose, but this is a rebirth thread and I think the only people ITT who hadn't played FFVIIR but are interested in rebirth have now finished it! I've added additional spoilers out an abundance of caution though.

21 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

but I never said it couldn’t be summed up (hence the video I posted) and I think those bosses may serve a larger role in Rebirth  

If you agree it can be easily summed up, that's precisely my point. There are only little tidbits that are so easy to briefly mention. It's just not critical to play the DLC to understand what's going to happen in Rebirth.

1 hour ago, Spork3245 said:

The post credits scene and possibly the introduction of those two bosses (who are from the PS2 Vincent game iirc)

You mean the bit with

I'm not sure that really is required viewing since they already showed you something weird was happening with

I'm not sure I remember which bosses you're talking about and I never played the Vincent game. But the stuff with Nero doesn't really cover anything meaningful other than the fact that Nero 

But that can be summed up real quick if needed.

8 hours ago, crispy4000 said:

 

You didn't need to play the original FF7 to play Remake.  But clearly you'd get a lot more out of it if you do.

 

The problem is that no one who hasn't beat it knows what is essential backstory in regard to Rebirth.  There's too much shit out there they've opened the door to, and they keep opening more than they shut.  They could follow up on some of it, they could follow up on none of it.  They say Crisis Core will matter.  They say a short novel will matter.  Who knows how much that should be taken at face value, or said just to sell us on things.  (Though it was mentioned on Giant Bomb that the book actually does enrich the game a lot ... ugh)

 

Since the Yuffie DLC is part of the Remake project, I'd think it has closest proximity to where they'll take Rebirth (or the last game), especially with its dangling threads.  I don't think it should be skipped it for that reason.  Maybe you trust Square to give it to people in flashbacks, but as the end of Remake illustrates, that can be problematic of its own accord.

 

 

All said, @best3444 is going in more or less blind to the original.  So really, to him, it might just mean one, two, or three more characters where it might take further explanation than the game gives.  Or not.  Who knows.

I enjoyed it, but I just don't see what they presented as being critical to the rest of the story. Mostly it will give you some additional background on Yuffie and what's motivating her.

This year is brutal  

4 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Basically the ones pertaining to the info leak / ransomware attack and the one saying "oh this would have been nice several years ago" you know when PSN was hacked numerous times and comments like that.

 

Maybe your barometer for snarky comments is high in which case different strokes I suppose.

I prefer my burns to have at least a little more sense to them

16 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Because most of them are flaming Sony? 🤷‍♀️

 

Maybe they changed by the time you read them.

No, I mean what's the flame Sony about? I just checked the comments and I guess I see some making snarky comments that Sony should have used this themselves? Is that it? Because that's a pretty stupid flame. There are a billion different services and software stacks that have to be used to make these games (and other stuff Sony does) and Sony doesn't design the security for all of them. We desperately need more services to adopt passkey already, and Sony is taking the steps to adopt it earlier than most in the service they actually control. 

Or if the flame was about passkey being a bad idea, then that's also a stupid flame

10 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Now you can sign in with your phone!

 

 

Comments are pretty brutal on this one.

Why are the comment brutal? Passkey is an open standard and the future of secure login.

The Yuffie DLC isn't part of the OG. You don't need to play it before starting Rebirth. If you feel like going back after playing Rebirth because you want more, that would probably be fine.

It’s great and better than the original. The original was limited IMO because all interactions are just over the radio or through glass. Infinite has someone always interacting with you and it’s all the better because of it. 
 

It ties to two games together in a fun way too if you’re into weird stories

33 minutes ago, best3444 said:

Hit chapter 17 so I think I'm still not THAT close in finishing this.

It's the last main chapter. There is a chapter 18, but it's mostly a longish combat sequence.

4 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

I dunno, I feel that most of the bugs that pop up with updates are less severe than the bugs fixed, but I also haven’t played in a bit so

To me it usually feels like 5 steps forward and 1 step back given how crazy substantial the updates have been both in new content and bugs fixed. I'll gladly take it.

3 hours ago, Bacon said:

but I wish they'd get better at not breaking things that weren't broken.

Every developer wishes this  This is probably one of the most difficult of games to add features to without causing bugs. I can’t imagine how insane the web is. 

I’ve been fully on board this train since the release of the first which had way more haters. I think I’ll be good. 

97% with 113 reviews on RT.

Fuck yes.

11 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

Enjoying the Yuffie DLC immensely at the moment.  Did you all skip this?  It's fantastic, one more linear Midgar romp for old times.

Of course I played it  But back at release. And yeah it was a lot of fun. 

I'll add that you may find some small things in that retelling confusing. And you should.

2 minutes ago, Biggie said:

I played like 10 minutes of the demo. I’ll play it more in a few. But my question is how the heck is 

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Cloud riding in that truck with Sepiroth when he just got finished fighting for his life against him  

 

It's a flashback. Cloud (and Tifa) are retelling events to the rest of the party so that they'll better understand Sephiroth. (This retelling also happens in the OG). They're basically going to tell you why Sephiroth went from hero to villain.

Just now, Biggie said:

Wow thank you that helps a lot. I was wondering last night who the hell 

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Zack was and why was he carrying Cloud toward Midgar. Cloud looked like he was about to die. 

I really enjoyed the game. Guess that’s obvious since I hardly ever finish games but I finished this one. I played on EZPZ clsssic mode as I just wanted the story. No way I could have beat all those boss battles. So do you recommend me playing Rebirth? I’m kinda looking forward to it now. 

No problem! I can definitely understand how it would be confusing if you didn't play the OG and know it reasonably well. Most of the game is fine in not requiring you know it, but the end is much harder to follow if you hadn't. It basically requires you to go "wait, that's not right!" and "wait they're seeing the future of the OG!" etc.

If you liked this one, I suspect you'll like Rebirth. I mean, I haven't played it (other than the demo), but everything looks strictly better in Rebirth with a big open world.

25 minutes ago, Biggie said:

Well could you explain it to me? lol