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12 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:
I appreciate that Joker is not a bad movie but I just can't get over the notion that it's an inferior, edgelord version of The King of Comedy. The performances are good but I didn't think they were especially remarkable and how it ended up making a billion dollars is something I'll never understand.
Often style can make up for a lot if it can provide a visceral experience, that's what it was for me with Joker. Style can be substance from time to time I think. It's a very engaging movie on certain levels. A heavily stylized, edgelord version of The King of Comedy actually sounds pretty great as a Joker movie to me.
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12 minutes ago, MarSolo said:
I blame this movie for Taron Egerton not getting his flowers as Elton John outside of Best Original Song.
Well, that and Bohemian Rhapsody sweeping a bunch of awards the year before.
You should just blame awards for being meaningless in the first place and frequently getting it wrong.
Bohemian Rhapsody won an Oscar for best film editing despite the editor agreeing to being made fun of for having such bad editing in that film with scenes like this and yet it won best editing.
Bohemian Rhapsody Editor Knows His Work Was Bad Despite Oscar Win
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If you've seen the movie, you know the one. “Whenever I see it, I want to put a bag over my head,” the editor said recently.-
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1 hour ago, Kamusha said:
Resurrections had some interesting idea but suffered from surprisingly so-so action scenes. When you think of a Matrix movie with modern day effects you expect something visually mind-blowing and it sadly did not deliver in that department.
The world is compelling enough that you could tell others stories within that world but at the same time it’s gonna be real hard to move beyond that OG cast. Even Resurrections suffers from the lack of Laurence Fishburne.
The action scenes being so-so was, I felt, intentional on the part of Lana Wachowski. Since Cloud Atlas, and particularly if one has seen Sense8, it's clear to me that the Wachowskis no longer care about action and in fact don't like it and intentionally don't put it in their work anymore. I believe they don't want to glorify action in cinema anymore, seeing it as a bad thing and a bad message to viewers (in the same way Neil Gaiman doesn't really do action in his work either because it's lazy/bad writing and not a good message to send). I believe they've gotten even more pacifist as they've gotten older. I mean, Lana Wachowski could have hired Yuen Woo-Ping and his team again for the action just like she did for the original trilogy and she intentionally didn't.
As I said in my first post in this thread, The Matrix Resurrections is a super interesting movie to me. I like it, despite it not being very rewatchable (because of the lack of good action, etc.) but that movie was a giant, intentional fuck you to both movie studios (WB in particular) and audiences who just wanted another fan service laden legacy sequel like Hollywood has been pumping out and Lana Wachowski was like: "fuck that" and made a movie with so-so action that seemed to barely care about the action despite being a Matrix movie.
The Wachowski's have only gotten more arthouse since The Matrix trilogy and in no world do they want to play that studio game of Tron: Legacy and Top Gun: Maverick, etc. They didn't want to make a fourth movie, they only did it because WB told them they were going to make one with or without them, so Lana Wachowski stepped in to protect the integrity of their previous works by remaining in control and she made a movie that, to me, intentionally was trying to kill the franchise so they wouldn't make anymore. Her sister Lilly Wachowski was working on a show but basically refused to do the movie for this very reason that they didn't want Matrix revived. Rumor was that when the film stopped midway during production due to Covid hitting that Lana Wachowski was just going to not finish the film so it would never be made and it took the cast and crew telling her to please finish it for her to do so. The so-so action scenes are a product of all of this.
I mean, the movie hilariously has a scene introducing the names of three new sentient robot characters that have switched to the human side in the intervening 60 years since the truce was established and it's such a "Hollywood blockbuster movie moment" of a scene "introducing new characters who are part of this new crew" and then they are only seen from that point on and never developed further or voiced again. It's stuff like this that shows that Lana Wachowski didn't want to make some traditional sequel. Yet here we are.
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9 minutes ago, Brick said:
Sure we do, but can they at least be good, and not shallow pieces that think they're deeper than they really are?
Shallow or not, it's got incredible style, an excellent lead performance, and it's incredibly entertaining. People always criticize the movie for acting deeper or seeming deeper than it is, but that's just one aspect to a whole movie for me. There is plenty else to focus on and be thrilled by in that movie than a fairly direct and simple screed about how largely amoral and apathetic society is, especially to its most vulnerable people. The chilling sequence where he's about to step out onto the talk show stage and dances I felt was worth the price of admission alone.
People enjoyed The Marvels and Dial of Destiny in their respective threads. This, to me, is far more entertaining and rewatchable than those.
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9 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:
I appreciate this conversation because it got @Greatoneshere to finally admit Resident Evil was a good show.
I said "mostly good" shows specifically because Resident Evil (and a few others) were on the list. The point was big budget shows, not necessarily good ones so there was no admitting of it being good.
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6 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:
That list you gave are shows from over the course of 10+ years. Every network cancels a ton of shows every year, the avg for broadcast TV is apparently over 25% for the past year, and it seems that the normal avg is over a third.
Other networks don’t cancel cult favorites? My guy, (off the top of my head) look at Firefly, Sarah Connor Chronicles, Don't Trust the Bitch In Apartment 23, Dollhouse, Lucifer (saved by Netflix btw), etc, etc, etc. I mean, how many times did Fox cancel Family Guy and Futurama?
All under performing shows get canned, Netflix actually seems to be better about not canceling than most others TV networks going by the percentages on that chart, and that’s my entire point. I’m not saying that they don’t cancel shows that should’ve had a better chance or more seasons, I’m saying that they don’t seem to actually be worse than anyone else with it.
Like I said, I agree with you, I'm just explaining that the perception is there and why it's there, I'm not debating the veracity of the perception. And to be fair, Fox was kind of the Netflix of its time in terms of cancelling beloved early cult shows.
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47 minutes ago, MarSolo said:
I genuinely hated the first movie and it annoys that it not only won OSCARS, but is getting a sequel.
I actually really liked the first movie and I think it's even better in retrospect as an Elseworlds Joker story, aka Taxi Driver but with the Joker. It's completely different than everything we've been getting in the comic book movie space and we need more of that, not less.
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35 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:
It’s tiny compared to, like, CBS, though.
Many of those shows were quite bad to mediocre and not exactly high budget. ie: Dark Crystal wasn’t good, IMO, and its budget was about a third of some of Netflix's most expensive shows. Plus, as you noted, many of those had multiple years of seasons, and in regards to Glow (which I loved), it was filming the final season but then the pandemic hit, which is why it was canned without getting the finale (this happened to a lot of shows during the pandemic unfortunately).
I mean, sure, there’s a bunch of good ones on that list, but I can name great shows that were cancelled on every network: that’s my point, this “Netflix cancels everything!” talking point is, well, just a talking point. They aren’t any worse than this than almost any other network.I think the point is they cancel these cult following shows after just one or two seasons (I wouldn't call that "having multiple years of seasons"), as opposed to more seasons at other networks who do ultimately cancel these kinds of shows too, but let them live a little longer I think is the perception.
It's actually a pretty big list, I just pulled the big name shows from the IMDb list, there are many more. Perhaps CBS and other platforms cancel these many cult shows after just one or two seasons too, but I've never gotten that sense before, not like with Netflix. It's what is being cut or cancelled, not how much.
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Clearly WB didn't learn from Lana Wachowski making The Matrix Resurrections, a movie that basically told WB to fuck off, stop making Matrix movies, and told the audience to fuck off, stop asking for more of the same fan service heavy legacy sequels and make new stuff. I'm shocked that after the horrific experience of forcing herself to make Resurrections for WB to protect her and her sister's IP (shooting around Covid no less) that Lana Wachowski is executive producing this (perhaps in name only).
But, no lessons were learned, and here we are. I hope it's good regardless, Drew Goddard is pretty legit, he wrote Cloverfield and adapted The Martian and wrote and directed The Cabin in the Woods and Bad Times at the El Royale. Guess we'll see if this is a reboot or part of the previous canon.
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1 hour ago, Spork3245 said:
What’s defining “big budget”, though? The biggest budget ones at Netflix typically seem to have multiple seasons and an actual “final season”, don’t they? I know some absolutely bombed and were canned, of course. The only big budget Netflix show that was canned “out of nowhere” that I can recently remember is “the get down” or whatever it was called, but that did terribly anyway iirc. Just kinda seems like a myth that got started by reddit trolls or something, I dunno. It just seems incredibly exaggerated.
I think when people think of "big budget", they think of sci-fi and fantasy shows (big genre shows) or shows that come off as prestige TV. Shows like Sense8, The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, The OA, 1899, The Midnight Club, Warrior Nun, The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, Glow, Santa Clarita Diet, Resident Evil, Cowboy Bebop, Altered Carbon, Space Force, Mindhunter, Tuca & Bertie, Marco Polo, The Get Down, Uncoupled, American Vandal, The Brothers Sun and Shadow and Bone, just to name some of the big ones (hell, The Sandman almost didn't get renewed for its second season). All of these shows were cancelled after one or two seasons (except Glow, whose final season was cancelled, season 4) despite each having, at the time, strong but probably small cult followings compared to a lot of shittier/cheaper Netflix stuff that lasts, hence the perception. I know a lot of people around here, including myself, liked a lot of these shows (I wish Sense8, The OA, Mindhunter, and some others had lasted longer) so to me that's a strong list of mostly good shows that felt like they got unceremoniously cancelled before they could get any real momentum, which they showed real promise of. That's a big list, I'm not sure it's that exaggerated but at the same time all platforms cut some big shows people love every year. They just seem to last a few seasons longer than what Netflix allows. It's not a hill I care about dying on, but it's not crazy to be skeptical of Netflix either. In 3 Body Problem's case, it's a trilogy of books and that's it so I imagine Netflix is probably all in on adapting all three books into three seasons of TV.
Every Show Canceled by Netflix in 2023
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From 'Shadow and Bone' to 'Sex/Life,' here is every show Netflix canceled in 2023.
Netflix Has Created A Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop With Its New Shows
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A couple weeks ago, I remarked that Netflix now felt like it was “actively stealing time from me.” I can almost not even remember which cancelation I was talking about at the time, given that there have been so many, but I believe it was 1899 -
I'm not sure why people think Square Enix will ever remake FF6 when producer Yoshinori Kitase recently came out and said it would take twice as long as FF7's remake trilogy, which he said took 10 years, meaning an FF6 remake would take them 20 years, according to him (not sure where he's getting 10 years, it's longer since episode 3 is still not out and the trilogy entered production in late 2015). While many employees at the company want to do an FF6 remake apparently, if he thinks it would take 20 years I don't see it happening and he just said this in January. A lot of people are thinking an FF9 remake is next, which is fine I guess. I would have loved an FF8 one, as that is my favorite one (after FF12). Remember, Square Enix recently came out saying it was looking to scale back the amount of projects they greenlight, and an FF8 remake has been pretty expressly ruled out which also probably hurts FF6's chances.
We also can't forget Dragon Quest XII, FF7: Episode 3 and Kingdom Hearts 4 are all also in the works, and those will take years. Here are the news pieces on this:
Lots of Square Enix Staff Want to Remake Final Fantasy 6 - IGN
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A remake of Final Fantasy 6 is a hot topic within the walls of Square Enix as many members of its development teams are eager to make it.
A Final Fantasy 6 Remake Would Take 20 Years to Make, Says Square Enix Producer
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Twice as long as FF7 - Final Fantasy 7 Remake was a game long thought to be a pipe dream, but Square Enix eventually made it happen. It's being released in t...
Final Fantasy 9 remake teased by Square Enix
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Yoshi-P just dropped a major tease suggesting that a Final Fantasy IX remake is on the way.
Don’t expect a Final Fantasy 8 remake after FF7 Remake, director suggests - it’s simply too much work
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4 hours ago, Spork3245 said:
Never really understood this. Isn’t Netflix’s cancellation rate like 10-12%? That’s a lot lower than the average for network TV, isn’t it?I think it's more the kinds of shows they cancel (big budget series people get into) than the simple rate of cancellations. But you are right, it's 10.2%, which is lower than the average by a little.
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3 hours ago, Reputator said:
Indiana Jones Whips Up $130 Million Loss For Disney
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Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny failed to cover its costs at the box office as financial statements show that Disney spent $134.2m more on the...This, The Marvels, and to a lesser degree Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning (Part One) underperformed in theaters. Probably because this and The Marvels are average at best and Dead Reckoning was billed as "part one" right in the title, which people theorize is what hurt it.
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7 minutes ago, Jason said:
I only meant in terms of the VFX.
I watched the first bunch of seasons of The Flash, Supergirl, Arrow, etc. Pretty good at times, I enjoyed them but I had to drop them after awhile, too many episodes with two many seasons and too many interconnected shows.
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The weekend recap:
-Jurassic Park III (2001; dir. Joe Johnston): 5/10
-The Marvels (2023; dir. Nia DaCosta): 6/10
-Atomic Blonde (2017; dir. David Leitch): 7/10
-Horrible Bosses 2 (2014; dir. Sean Anders): 6.5/10
-The Wandering Earth II (2023; dir. Frant Gwo): 6.5/10
-Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023; dir. James Mangold): 6/10
-Warrior (2011; dir. Gavin O'Connor): 8/10
-The Lost City of Z (2016; dir. James Gray): 8.5/10
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I finally watched this over the weekend and it was not very good. It's not bad either, just a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. I was happy the movie didn't end with a doomsday light beam into the sky and two CGI armies smashing into each other, so that was something, but man this movie was just a bunch of non sequitir scenes strung together. Nick Fury is just joking around the entire time taking nothing seriously (lowering stakes that are already barely there), we waste time on a planet that's a live-action Disney musical, we then waste more time on a bunch of Flerkens (the cats) eating people to save them, there's about 5-6 CGI heavy fights strung throughout the film, and the film is only 1 hour and 45 minutes. We really don't have time to waste on all this nonsense with such a short runtime as is. My younger brother was exhausted by the end because there's no breathing room for any character work at all except for the one montage scene in the middle of the movie where they bond and train to get into sync with each other. They even introduce some mind sync device that never comes up again after it's introduced. The villain is a complete throw away character (as per usual) and there aren't really any stakes to speak of. I'm surprised people here liked it as much as they did since this felt like a pretty inconsequential movie. And man the VFX is getting super dicey in these movies now, we watched Captain Marvel ahead of this and that looked way better as a movie by comparison. This felt like just a step above the CW superhero shows (in terms of the VFX).
I'd say this was better than Ant-Man 3, Thor 4 and Doctor Strange 2 but worse than Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals, Guardians 3 and Black Panther 2 of the post Avengers: Endgame movies. I'd give this a 6/10. Black Widow and this sort of sit at the same level.
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I finally saw this and my thoughts mirror most of the posts in this thread, the film was fine. It builds ideas it never does anything with (Indy's regrets and failures and Helena's thieving/money scheming ways), the villains are not scary or worrying in the least, the action isn't exciting, what the dial actually is and does is both stupid and nonsensical, etc. The movie just comes and goes. Not bad but not memorable either. The movie spends so much of its 2.5 hour runtime on either exposition and/or action that there's no character work or chemistry that gets time to build. Toby Jones comes and goes. Sallah comes and goes. Antonio Banderas comes and goes. The movie can't get any sort of momentum which is sort of important for an Indiana Jones adventure film. I'm not big into the Indiana Jones movies so I had no horse in this race but this movie just sort of came and went for me. I'm surprised that James Mangold made such a forgettable movie. Honestly the Spielberg ones are at least interesting, good or bad. This wasn't. I'd give it a 6/10.
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11 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:
While practically all of the multiple plot threads are coming together, I simply can't fathom how they could be resolved satisfactorily within the confines of a single episode.
Yeah, definitely not everything. Maybe the Tozawa stuff but they definitely can't wrap up Jake's time at the Meicho or Sato's rise in the yakuza or Samantha's messed up life back home with creating a business in Tokyo now.
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One more episode to go. Last night's was really amping up the tension and it was nice to have Sato, Jake, Misaki, and Samantha all in a room at the same time. Looking forward to the season finale and to see whether it ends the show or remains open enough for a potential season 3.
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The fight scene between Mark and Anissa the Viltrumite was pretty great, otherwise a very heavy and character building episode to lead in to the finale. It's been a weird break for this season as neither half feels like a lot has happened, but when you remember that season 2 was split into two and you combine them, a lot has happened this season. The universe continues to expand as we learn more about the Viltrumites. Here's to hoping the season finale next week ends strong.
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I finally wrapped this up today. Stylized as "3 Body Problem", I enjoyed the show. I agree with the A.V. Club review that basically says it wears the clothes of prestige television but at the end of the day this is a nerdy sci-fi show more akin to Fringe or The X-Files than it is some harder sci-fi show or film like Gravity or Arrival or Sunshine or something. It's very plot-heavy, with only so much character development mingled in (but enough at least). I recommend everyone should check it out given it's a new sci-fi show with at least some thought and depth to it. I'm surprised more here aren't watching it given it seems like it would be up peoples' alley around here. The VR segments were really well done and the concepts introduced in this show reminded me a bit of the animated show Pantheon (which is no surprise given that Pantheon was based on the sci-fi short stories of Ken Liu, the English translator of the Three Body Problem book trilogy). I hope we get a season 2 (and 3) adapting the next two books.
I am curious how the 2023 Chinese TV show compares to this. Thirty episodes to adapt one book seems like a bit much, but I felt like the Netflix show moved a little fast with just eight episodes, but 30 episodes seems too slow to unravel the mystery. Still, I'm curious.
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I love Seinfeld (the show), I loved Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, I love Jerry Seinfeld's stand-up specials, I saw him live once and it was great and Bee Movie sucked. With all that being said, I can't tell from that trailer (I usually don't watch trailers but was curious here) if this will be any good or not but I did enjoy the absolute absurdity of it all.
It's the same four writers (including Jerry Seinfeld) that wrote Bee Movie, so there's that . . .
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5 minutes ago, best3444 said:
Ok. I might try this again lol. Is the story difficult to follow? I got about 10 hours in but dropped it like a hot potato. 🥔
If you haven't played the first Alan Wake (and its two DLC's) and I'd also argue Control (and its two DLC's), you will be fairly lost as the game's story is already very obtuse and heavily based on what has happened in those games, particularly the first Alan Wake.
We also can't forget Dragon Quest XII, FF7: Episode 3 and Kingdom Hearts 4 are all also in the works, and those will take years. 
New Matrix Movie In The Works
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It seems pretty deliberate (from what I can tell), which is an incredibly off beat and interesting choice but will obviously bother audiences. I liked the sequels personally, but I do understand they are divisive films. It's somewhat in the same way that audiences just inherently reacted negatively to The Last Jedi and The Last of Us: Part II, which are also two things one could argue said "fuck you" to the audience to make bigger thematic points about itself and the medium of storytelling. People want films like Top Gun: Maverick out of their legacy sequels, not things like The Last Jedi and The Matrix Resurrections which upend tropes, comment on things metafictionally, and don't seem interested in giving the fans what they simply want. Whether that works for audiences or not will be up to each individual person in such cases.
But I'd take a million movies trying to be different like Resurrections than pretty much anything Marvel and DC have been putting out for years now.