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Amazatron

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  1. 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

    There’s a very real difference between allowing a literal child to play in the sport as a member of their identified gender and one for adults. I don’t pretend to know the solution for semi pro or professional trans athletes (mark this down as a first) but at the high school level and below the answer is quite clear: who cares let them play


    Fair enough, I agree with this sentiment.

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  2. 25 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

     

    Good for her because it don't matter. I would love for you to explain to me how college swimming or any college sport is very important and worthy of all the frothing and legislation?

     

    That woman has been swimming since she was younger than my kids. Are you suggesting she didn't work her ass off?


    Huh? What the hell does working her ass off have to do with anything? And why would anything I said suggest that?

  3. Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

    There was only like 2 trans athletes in the whole state of Utah iirc when the governor vetoed the bill there. 
     

    people aren’t transitioning to “dominate” sports 

     

    the real concern that literally front and center in this topic is that trans panic is a tool to harass cis and trans people who don’t perfectly conform to society’s notion of masculinity or femininity. That’s the biggest issue and not where should we “let” trans kids play sport at *an amateur level*


    That’s not the argument in this thread. That side will push any bullshit agenda to discriminate, like the ridiculous issue of transgenders in bathrooms.

     

    I’m trying to address the physical advantage of the average male vs the average female in competitive sports. I’ve yet to see a compelling argument, just a bunch of “who cares” or “what about Kenyans in marathons”.

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  4. 5 minutes ago, stepee said:

    kal’s point is everyone has advantages and disadvantages over everyone, people are already born with huge advantages over others, and those usually end up becoming the top atheletes etc, so get over it if it’s fair or not 

     

    So why have separate men's and women's sports? Let's just combine it all and let it sort out yes? Fair or not....

  5. 13 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

    Again, feel free to get to a point at any time.

     

    We’re just now getting to the point where some people accept that gender is a social construct. People need to acknowledge that sex is ALSO a social construct. And before anyone’s anus prolapses, I don not mean that biology is not relevant. I merely mean that “sex” is a term made up by people to categorize natural phenomena that has turned out to be significantly more nuanced than male and female. There are a non trivial amount of intersex people, our understanding of how what we presently understand to be sex hormones truly impact development, athletic performance, etc., is just beginning to come together.

     

    So with that in mind it’s not that sex is a useless determinant, it IS a relevant one. But the playing field is never going to be level. My first serious girlfriend was barely 5’ tall, she was good at gymnastics and couldn’t have been a high jumper. My wife is 6’ tall, she was one of the best high jumpers in Mass growing up, but if you asked her to do a cartwheel her spine would tear out of her body and she’d fuckin die.

     

    You claimed using outliers is flawed, so I used data for the collective. Yet here you are trying to argue by anecdotal evidence of your outlier (under 5 feet and over 6 foot) relationships.

  6. 2 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

     

    I don’t know anyone that would deny that sexual dimorphism in humans exists; I certainly do not. That said the differences are not as pronounced as people assume and that leads to the stupidity like the content listed in the OP in this thread.

     

    What is pronounced for you?

     

    https://runninglevel.com/running-times/1-mile-times

     

    I'd say 10-20% is significant.

  7. Katie Ledecky would get smoked by every male in a Olympic race.

     

    Ledecky is the GOAT at women's 800m, her world record is 8 min, 8 seconds. The last place finisher in the men's final was 7 min, 53 seconds.

     

    Every single event for basic physical sports measured by something tangible (time, distance, etc.) like track and field, swimming for simplistic sake, the differences are substantial between sexes and there isn't a single case where females outperform. This is collective, and happens at every competitive level high school through Olympics.

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