Scape Zero

Just now, Jose said:

 

Can you just Google Jason Kessler and bow out of the thread plz?

I can believe you that he's a shit person.

Just now, Jose said:

 

I see you defending him throughout this thread actually!

Really, where did I do that? With the part where I said that there are Nazi people on the right?

1 minute ago, Jose said:

 

Guarantee he has no idea who that is.

 

Scape thinks Unite the Right is just another gathering of CPAC apparently lol.

 

Edit: Called it, what a dumbass.

Don't know most of the people on the left either. Don't care who they are.

If you are an extremists with bad ideas, I don't like you.

1 minute ago, Jason said:

 

Coming from literally anyone else I'd be surprised by such a willfully obtuse misinterpretion of what happened. 

Hey remember when everyone here hated you? Remember when they treated you like you do to me?

Just now, PaladinSolo said:

Jason Kessler is a Nazi...

I don't know who he is, so maybe?

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Proof that centrism is a mental disorder. 

 

And this is why our country is so fucked right now. Have to pick a side.

3 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

That explains why the second unite the right rally was so big

So no Nazis, yet still lots of antifa.

Hmm... It's almost like no Nazi no antifa doesn't play out.

2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

I don't get whats so hard about this, Antifa = sucky, White Nationalists/Nazis = EXTREMELY SUCKY.  One group is asking for permission to march around denouncing minorities, even calling for their extermination, while actively running people for congress and even getting members of congress to support their views even the President, on the other side you have a group who shows up and punches them in the face and when they don't have any of them to punch in the face they have lashed out at others.  When the Nazis go away they'll go from antifa to anarchists again with no one paying attention to them instead of the right acting like they're some lefty boogeymen.

Cause antifa attacks the right, making them more extreme, making them vote for alt right types and defend Nazis.

Down playing them as just peaceful protestors only makes shit worse. It makes it more possible that Trump gets another 8 years. It makes the right more extreme. It makes it so the Nazis don't go away, they grow bigger.

3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

These people are actual Nazis, waiving Nazi flags. We're not talking about people just saying "bush/Trump is a Nazi" crap (though Trump does find common cause with white supremacists, and was rightly castigated for drawing false equivalence between the nazis in Charlottesville and the counter protestors,one of whom was killed) we're talking about having actual, factual Nazis waiving swastikas around like they're going out of style. That's who antifa opposes.

How many Nazi flags did you see at the second unite the right rally?

I must admit, I didn't bother watching all that much coverage of it, but I didn't see a single one. So maybe it's just cause I didn't watch enough, or maybe it's because not all of them are "FUCK YEAH HITLER" types of people. Perhaps that's just what you want them to be.

Don't get me wrong, there is totally those types of people there, but that's not all of them. This resistance of grouping them all in the same group is not helping though. That's encouraging them to find allies with each other, which... Is not fucking good.

Just now, CitizenVectron said:

 

That's a separate issue, why do you keep going back to it? You were correct, that doesn't mean you can't face criticism in other areas.

No I can.

This conversation is fine. You are saying I'm wrong, but not pulling a Jason, I'm cool with this.

The problem here is everyone keeps telling me I'm wrong, because I'm dumb. The other problem is...I was fucking right. I'm not letting sides and what I want blind me. I'm seeing the escalation happen right in front of me.

The only logical outcome of this is more violence, more extremism. People can't see that antifa is violent, and can't see that the conservatives they hate aren't all the ones waving Nazi flags. This right here is making more of the right extreme, which is making the left more extreme. We are turning moderates into extremists. Tell me how does that end well for us? How does it end well when far right and far left figures become the leading forces in this fight, how does everyone else win?

1 minute ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

No one cares about that difference

I'm pretty fucking sure Wade does.

Just now, CitizenVectron said:

Scape, I think one of the big factors is just volume. If there are 10 or 20x as many right-wing attacks in the US than left-wing, then while both sides deserve blame, one side deserves a lot more. Especially when much of the violence on one side is in response to the other, not an original provocation.

Don't get me wrong! I agree! It's bullshit!

But are these attacks coming from those fat dudes who just wanna be an edgelord and support free speech of offensive shit? Or is it from the psychos who bomb abortion clinics?

When all this shit started, it was antifa that attacked first. They went all black bloc, covering their faces, provoking fights and attacking people with make shift weapons. This then lead to last year's rally where people are waving Nazi flags and driving a car into a group of people killing one of them.

This shit needs to stop! Both of them need to be called out so people stop taking fucking sides!

Just now, PaladinSolo said:

Antifa isn't political and have no political aspirations, the Neo Nazis do, stop conflating the two, one is much worse than the other and is purely reactionary to the other.

Fine fuck it whatever guys.

Trump won't win, Hillary will, I'm just an idiot, right?

1 minute ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

Jews can be fascists

Sure. Facists aren't always Nazis though.

Remember the owner of this forum? Which side did he join at that last gathering?

13 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

What? Hitler invaded like 10 capitalist countries before invading the USSR. The US didn't enter because the public was tired of Europe's shit from WWI and isolationism was believed to be the best path. Are you saying that France, England, the Netherlands, etc were equivalent to the USSR or Germany?

Didn't say that.

12 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

lol, this is so bad i don't even know where to begin.  I mean remember that time we defeated communist Japan!?

 

 

What?

3 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

There were street clashes between communists and fascists in Weimar Germany.  I *think* that was what scape was referencing. 

And in Italy. There was a couple other smaller fights that I can't remember that where somewhat significant to the rise of facism and communism after www that bled into www, but my Google Fu is pretty bad right now.

37 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

This is dumb, antifa is just the anarchists with a goal, lol.  No one is saying they're awesome or even supporting them, just that Neo fucking Nazis who want to pursue ethnic cleansing are far far worse.

34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Not to mention that antifa counter protests the Nazi fucks for the most part, not much more. (That I hear about anyway)

 

No Nazis, no antifa, no problem

Right sure, the problem is the definition of Nazi has become "Any one right of Marx"

Remember the free speech rally in Boston about a year ago? I remember everyone all in an uproar about Nazis being allowed to spread hate in our own city. Yeah... Most of the speakers there where leftists, and minority speakers, speaking out against the right. Those damn Nazis...

People are quick to pair all conservatives as Nazis. Ben Shapiro is being called a Nazi. He's so Jewish he wears a yamaka full time and cries about the crimes against the Jews whenever he can. It would be like calling DVD a Nazi. It's just fucking insane.

The people waving Nazi flags, yeah, fuck them. The people actually saying pro white nationalist shit, yeah, fuck them. My issue is people are taking all conservatives and calling them Nazis.

This divide isn't going to help anything. I'm not saying that the right is any better here. The people who aren't neo-nazis are just as deluded. They are becoming more extreme in their own ways, and defending and making excuses for neo-nazis, just as the left is doing with the anarchists and communists. This eagerness to destroy the other is making each side more extreme. Moderates who would otherwise have no problem saying what their side is doing is wrong any other day, are now making excuses and defending them.

"Oh it's just waving a Nazi flag, oh it's just a couple of burning cars, it's just no big deal, the real problem is those other people."

That's how civil wars start. This shits fucking retarded. We are letting a bunch of LARPing assholes define politics in this country. This will lead to nothing good, as long as we keep making excuses for extremists. It will lead to real fighting which will lead to a real war, which will lead to one of these groups actually getting into power and fucking everything up for everyone.

15 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

[Citation needed]

Right the rise of communism after ww1 had nothing to do with anything.

It's not like the fighting and facisms success in Italy had anything to do with Hitler adopting facism, and then allying with Italy.

The growth of communism is what motivated some of WW2. The fascists seeked to destroy it, as much as the Communists seeked to destroy capitalism. It's why the US wanted nothing to do with most of WW2. We didn't care for either side.

Just now, Jason said:

 

Did you just zone out during the 2016 election?

Nah, I seemed to be the only one here who was fucking awake. Since everyone else was too busy checked jerking each other to see that Donald Trump had a real shot of winning.

Remember an those times I got called an idiot for saying he has a real chance? Yeah, such an idiot I was...

2 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

Those poor windows

Cool gimme your address then. Lemme smash yours up since it's NBD.

This is the shit I'm talking about. You down play. A group riots in the street cause Obama was elected again, but it's okay cause they aren't neo-nazis.

Why is it so hard for people to say both sides suck? Why do they feel the need to defend?

4 hours ago, mclumber1 said:

I would say if you can't remember a time without the internet, you are millennial. 

 

Another one is tapes: both of the music and vhs kind:  If you don't know what those are ,or have never used them, you are a millennial.  Granted, our daughter is only in second grade, but my wife and I were having some type of conversation and VHS tapes came up, and I had to explain to our daughter what a "tape" was, and how I wasn't talking about taping something together.  So I'm sure some politically minded millennials are really confused when the news keeps on talking about Omarosa's "tapes". 

I mean you can define it that way, but it's not the generally agreed on term (which still isn't super agreed on so technically you aren't wrong).

But millennials are people born between 81 and 97. So the vast majority of them should know life before internet, VHS, floopy disks, landlines, etc.

12 minutes ago, Chairslinger said:

 

 

Because starting it that way gives an impression of equivilency.

 

Shoplifters and murderers both suck, but if you want to say something meaningful about both groups, using the same description side by side is rather self defeating.

And saying it that way sounds like you support far left extremists, that start riots.

Moderate lefts keep acting like antifa isn't all that bad for this exact reason. They ignore the wrong they do, either from ignorance, or to willingly down play the group, for the sole fact that they politically side closer with them.

Both of these groups suck. Both of them need to go. Just cause you think antifa is a little better than neo-nazis doesn't change things. This kind of clashing is the streets is what started a lot of countries involvement in WW2. Nothing good comes from this. Donald Trump doesn't get removed cause you set a bunch of cars on fire and attack some rednecks with bike locks. That doesn't hurt Trump. He doesn't give a fuck what happens to those people. He doesn't give a fuck that you hate other civilians. That doesn't change the fact that he's in office.

You can hate neo-nazis without backing antifa. Oh, and just because people seem have forgotten, black bloc isn't on your side either. None of these groups care about you. None of these groups are on your side. They are all equally extremists who want their extremists views to be law. Don't supply Osama with weapons just cause you don't like Russians.

13 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

 

I'm curious as well. Why not just say, "Neo-Nazi sucks," and take the easy and correct stance?

Why not take the correct stance that both groups suck?

On 8/12/2018 at 4:18 PM, Jose said:

White people hate mayo, but love aioli, which is mayo. In conclusion, white people be dumb.

The stereotype is that white people love mayo though.

13 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

Okay? This isn't some weird or controversial opinion. 

 

Cucumbers and bread and butter pickles literally make me gag/vomit, but I love the shit out of dill pickles. Are you gonna play some gotcha game over that, too?

It's like when I say I hate tomatoes and people say "Well you're using ketchup on your fries!"

The added ingredients make it not suck.

Also, what the fuck is aioli?

1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said:

Alright, I've got my anti-Nazi ensemble ready to go!

 

- Haitian Revolution t-shirt

- black Half-Life 2 baseball cap

- red kerchief/bandana to cover the lower half of my face (upside: it's anti-Nazi red, downside: it has pictures of puppies and kitties)

- weightlifting gloves

 

I'm departing for Freedom Plaza in about an hour.

I get red is anti Nazi cause communism, but weren't Nazis still all about red?

They had giant red flags with just a little black swastika in them. Also, Hitler really liked animals.

19 hours ago, Biggie said:

I thought KB/M was everyone’s favorite way to play most games ?

For RTS, FPS, and MMOs, yeah generally. For something like MH it could work really well if done properly too. The problem is it hasn't been done properly.

13 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

I haven't tried playing the game with M&KB but it works fine in the menus. I'm somewhat impressed the game prompts show you the controls for the last used method on the fly.

I mean really you should be using a controller for this game.

In the menus, yeah sure. In game, the mouse emulates a joystick, so you get this really clunky, weird feeling camera movement. I guess the controls make zero sense too.

For some weapons, sure. The bow, and bow guns would be infinitely better with mouse aiming.