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1 minute ago, legend said:

 

Having health care dismantled is not minor, let alone comparing that with Biden who is trying to implement a public option for people who don't have good options from work!  (Especially now with so many who have lost their jobs.) Providing financial support at the individual, small business, and school level is not minor! Feeding a perception that it's no big deal and the big bad dems are just out to get you is profoundly counter productive. Throwing out the group for handling pandemics was not fucking productive.

 

Look, covid wouldn't have been nothing if someone else was president during this year. It would still suck. But it could have sucked less with someone competent. Taking this defeatist stance that there was nothing we could do is one of the worst fucking thing we can do. If anything we should be taking lessons for how to handle this in the future because it *will* happen again and there are things we could have done *much* better.

I just severely doubt his sincerity based on his record and the actions of previous adherents of his ideology. His own party is going to fight against the public option just like they did when we instead got the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan. For one thing, if your goal is the public option you can't start with that as your negotiating position. Merely keeping the ACA with some meager Medicaid expansion and lowering the age for Medicare here we come.

18 minutes ago, legend said:

 

I'm not sure I agree with him ignoring them. He's made a lot of efforts to go out to rural areas in his campaign and tried to talk about the issues that they are facing, especially during this pandemic. As I said, we can always indefinitely raise the bar, but it's not ignoring them. I am glad to hear you don't think he's antagonizing them though.

 

As far as the polices not being being materially different I vastly disagree. Trump's mishandling of the pandemic, his efforts to dismantle health care in general, and his stupid trade war with China has absolutely impacted rural communities. Trump very clearly cares about his bottom line and since his supports mind boggling support him while he literally leaves them out in the cold means he'll continue to do that.

The material policies are minor. What is Biden really going to do different about the pandemic? He's already backed off even having a national mask mandate and instead said he would just strongly encourage governors to do it. He's not going to do a national lock down or force one on states that are doing poorly. To be fair, I'm not giving him the benefit of doubt on some of his claims such as that he'll give more federal aid at a level that actually matters. However he's also spent nearly his entire career being a hatchet man for the usury industry so why would I or anyone else take that seriously compared to his actual record as a senator and vice president? Even if I were to believe what he's saying, capitalism is accelerating to its inevitable death. The neoliberal era is knocking on death's door. What does he really offer that's substantially different? He rejects Medicare For All. He's proud to not support the Green New Deal. He's proud to not be a social democrat and to stand in the way of social democracy. He's an obstruction to the last "left" answer that protects capital. How does he stop the progression towards neo-feudalism or fascism?

Edit: I also forgot to mention that he's also slammed Trump for being too soft on Cuba and Venezuela and has signaled he wants to return to the same foreign policy approach that helped Bolsanaro in Brazil. He's going to actively fight against over sovereign countries' leftist governments.
 

18 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Uhhh . . . almost everyone here is for pretty strong progressive policies that would only help these people. We continue to fight for that, indeed, we have to fight against them because they are stupid and brain washed to get them the policies that'll actually help them. So where is the punishment? We're fighting for them, as far as I see it. 

 

But they want to be contrarian and the enemy. But of course while we help them they deserve our derision. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Yet here we are talking about how these dumb hicks can go fuck themselves.

8 minutes ago, Uaarkson said:

 

These people represent a rapidly shrinking demographic. Fuck em.

Their ranks are about to grow. The economic recovery is going to take 5+ years and there will be a lot of people without a job to go back to because it closed permanently during the pandemic. Local and state governments are facing layoffs from reduced revenues which will have a ripple effect. Millions are going to lose their homes. If Biden runs the same recovery plan of the Obama administration, which the people he's surrounding himself with strongly suggests he will, we will find ourselves soon in the same conditions that enabled Trump to win. Running more candidates that tell them the system is fine, we just need moderate tweaks here and there will not work.
 

4 minutes ago, legend said:

 

I have no doubt plenty of regular people on the left are antagonizing them because people have had it. But you think Biden is antagonizing them? I mean, we can always say "Biden should say more" -- that's a bar we can indefinitely raise, but you think he's out right antagonizing them? 

Biden is largely just still ignoring them. It's who they see latched onto him that they seek to "own" by voting for Trump. Neither candidate differs much on material policy so trying to dunk on the other team in the culture war is what they have.

3 minutes ago, Ominous said:

 

Eliminate voter suppression and run candidates that actually encourage non-whites and people under 40 to vote. 

You have to either use the electoral system or mass organization and mobilization to achieve that. It would be a lot easier to achieve running candidates and doing organizing that doesn't antagonize or ignore them. These people pay for the sins of the system too. They lost sons and daughters to war. They're losing loved ones to the opioid epidemic. What if we offered them material improvements without trying to guilt them and continuing to run campaigns based almost entirely around culture war that they view as an attack on them? Is punishing them really more important than laying the groundwork for solidarity?

Alright, so you get all the calling them stupid hicks out of your systems. How are you going to beat them in election years where you haven't been gifted a monumentally disliked president that handled a once in a century pandemic poorly while making sure you don't get any of them to change their votes?

28 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

I'd like to start with something optimistic. If you get a text from a volunteer, let them know what they're doing is great. They need the relief too. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They're nervous too but they're doing their best!

The only texts from volunteers I've been getting are to my work number with shit like Smokey the Bear saying, "ONLY YOU CAN STOP SOCIALISM". I keep telling them I voted for Xi Jinping and I am not switching to thanking them for their service.

4 minutes ago, Uaarkson said:

 

Precisely!

Real wages have been stagnant since the 70s while housing, education, and healthcare costs have all sky rocketed far beyond inflation but pull yourself up by your bootstraps, cracker. Why don't these hicks with no credit and an awful public education system that don't live within 100 miles of a college and live in a town where the only employers are 7/11 and the liquor store just head on down to the university and learn to code?

3 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

I don’t care how hard their life is. Nazi and Nazi supporters deserve to be demonized. The Republican Party has been a hate group for a long time, and they’re just digging in deeper and deeper with Donald. So fuck him and ALL his supporters. 

The Democrats also hate the poor and have no problems with killing them both directly and indirectly. They just play another side of the culture war and have better sold more people with post-secondary education on which poor people deserve to be hated. Mid-Western and Appalachian whites with little to no wealth are a bunch of uneducated, lazy, drug addicted, and violent people that deserve our ire, right? Same exact shit Republicans say about poor people that are unlikely to vote for them.

7 minutes ago, Coomer4Prez said:

 

 

You're not wrong. The woke are awfully exploitative of capitalism, despite all of their supposed demonization of it..

I hate capitalism. OMG Oreos made LGBTQ flag cookies. We have to buy these to show our support!

Identity group privilege is just a technology employed by capitalists to prevent class unity.

Of course you're never going to replace lumpenproles' identity politics with other identity politics. They have been increasingly left to die by lack of healthcare, malnutrition, and deaths of despair. The culture war and lashing back at the "coastal elites" is all they have. The Democrat establishment and Joe Biden have nothing material to offer them. Joe Biden says it himself, just vote to reflect your values and nothing would fundamentally change. The focus should be on addressing people's material needs rather than playing capital's games that prevent class consciousness.

2 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

Go back to discord Simp and worship your queen 

The Discord has only one monarch and they are a king.

The great outdoors.

1 hour ago, Emperor Diocletian II said:

There was a point where "enough was enough" and I couldn't take it any more.

 

Is the ban permanent?  Maybe, maybe not but I just couldn't give a damn right now.

Am I allowed to say the n word if I pretend I'm black?

11 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

Sure, but the alt would be banned. Not like she’s be able to hide who she is. 

She can just pretend to be a different ethnicity.

I'm a Uyghur.

Everyone is allowed to pretend they're black and drop the hard r n bomb.

Dolezal One Patch

So are we allowed to pretend to be any race or just Native American?

1 minute ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

I believe you'd need a constitutional amendment for this kind of reform.

 

Though I guess it would depend on how it's handled in the Senate.

 

Remember the rule is: 

 

So I think something like this

...might be more doable without an amendment.  Much of it would have to be held together by formalizing the procedures the Senate uses in the 'advise and consent' process, though.

Yes, it would be far from the easiest solution. However it would be a long term solution that addresses the issue of the Supreme Court not being this objective non-political entity and being a tool to force reactionary decisions against the wishes of the majority of Americans.

Abolish the existing Supreme Court and switch to a dialogic system with justices elected by the general public. Abolish the notion it's not a political instrument entirely and remove their ability to suppress law.

This aged well.