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  1. Protests...

     

    London
    Parliament Square, from 5pm

     

    Birmingham
    Victoria Square, 5.30pm

     

    Liverpool
    St George’s Plateau, 5.30pm

     

    Milton Keynes
    Station, 6pm

     

    Chester

    Town Hall, 7pm

     

    Manchester
    Albert Square, from 4pm

     

    Edinburgh
    The Mound, from 4pm (moving to Holyrood at 4.30pm)

     

    Cambridge
    Market Square, from 6pm

     

    Cardiff
    Aneurin Bevan Statue, from 6pm

     

    Durham 
    Marketplace, from 6pm

     

    Bristol
    College Green, 5.30pm

     

    More being announced all the time.

  2. The shit is about to hit the fan.

     

    This amounts to a coup, pure and simple.  Supporters of the government are saying that it is normal to suspend Parliament before starting a new session... true, but usually it is for 3-4 days.  Boris is trying to stop Parliament from sitting for 5 weeks.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/28/pms-plan-to-suspend-parliament-aimed-at-evading-scrutiny-of-mps

     

    A petition was started this morning against such a suspension, and is currently getting over 2000 signatures a minute!

     

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157?fbclid=IwAR1KDK7ZgdwoxNNi-yQHD0ujwEHu_2JZFQFbuUDpgfPiRT-h91WPVTHwSx0

     

     There are plans to demonstrate in Parliament square this evening.  There are also plans for a ‘People’s Parliament’ to sit in Church House.  A legal challenge to the suspension will be heard tomorrow.

     

    There are also calls for a general strike.  

     

    Live updates:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/aug/28/spending-review-set-for-next-week-fuels-election-speculation-live

     

    https://news.sky.com/story/parliament-suspension-pm-behaving-like-tin-pot-dictator-11795990

     

     

     

     

  3. The main message of the Leave campaign was ‘Taking back control’, of our laws, and of our borders.

     

    Thing is, an isolated Britain has very little clout in any trade negotiations, and we are already seeing signs that we will have less ‘control’ after Brexit than before...

     

    https://www.businessinsider.com/india-in-no-rush-to-sign-a-post-brexit-trade-deal-with-britain-2018-4?IR=T  India pushing for easier immigration to the UK in return for trade deal.

     

    https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-tax-scrapped-report-11776240. The USA trying to force the UK to drop a new digital tax... or no trade deal.

     

    The World knows a post-Brexit Britain will be weak and desperate, and we are going to get our pants pulled down in any deals we make as a result.

     

    Taking back control?  Riiiiight.

     

     

     

     

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  4. 2 hours ago, Jwheel86 said:

     

    Labour is fucked too since if in a General Election if they call for a People's Vote they'd lose seats too, if they don't they won't be taken seriously. The only hope is if they can go full Remain, sacrifice the Leave seats, and hope Lib Dems pick up enough Remain Conservative seats to form a Coalition with Labour. 

    I think Corbyn and his inner circle want Brexit to happen and the Tories to be seen as owning it.  Then when the economy tanks they think they will win power with a fat majority.  Problem with that is that the country will be pretty much bankrupt, and there will be no money for Corbyn’s well-meaning reforms.  Labour would inherit a corpse.

  5. 8 hours ago, SFLUFAN said:

    It wouldn't surprise me if the Tories from Scotland don't side with the "rebels" either.

     

    BoJo could well be on his way to having the shortest tenure of any UK PM.

    I really struggle to see a way of BoJo getting through this mess and coming out the other side as  PM.

     

    He has a ‘Working Majority’ of 1, thanks to 10 votes from the DUP.  His party is split into 3 factions.  Firstly, ardent Brexiters who will go ballistic if we don’t leave on Oct 31st.  Secondly, Remainers / Soft Brexiters who will seek to bring him down rather than  allow us to crash out on Oct 31st.  The remainder are somewhere in the middle, being pressured from both sides, and who frankly just want the whole mess to disappear.

     

    So could he get a deal through Parliament?  Almost certainly no.

     

    The DUP will not vote for the current ‘deal’ on offer (The one May repeatedly failed to get accepted) as they refuse anything that sees Northern Ireland treated differently from the rest of the UK, and the current deal keeps Northern Ireland in a Customs Union with the EU to avoid a ‘Hard border’, between The North and the Republic.  BoJo needs to get this clause (known as the Backstop) removed to stand any hope of getting the deal through.  The EU refuse to drop it, as according to the Good Friday Agreement, a treaty that has brought decades of relative peace to Northern Ireland, there can be no Hard Border on the island of Ireland.  The delicious irony of the situation?  The Backstop was originally suggested by the British Government! 

     

    The only hope for Boris is a snap election to try and get a majority of 30+ so that he can get No Deal through Parliament.

     

    The problem is, that if he campaigns on a No Deal Brexit, whilst he may gain a few seats in Leave voting areas of the East and North of England, he will completely alienate voters (and his own party leadership) in Scotland and Wales.  The Conservatives would also risk losing a large number of seats they currently hold in the South, where people voted to remain, to the Liberal Democrats.  Some polling experts even put Uxbridge, BoJo’s own seat, at risk under these circumstances!

     

    So then he campaigns on delaying Brexit, to get a better deal?  He has staked his political career on the UK leaving on Oct 31st.  ‘We are leaving on Oct 31st, do or die!’, in his words... Not sure how he backtracks from that and maintains any credibility to be honest?   But assuming he did, the Hardcore Brexiter wing of his party would scream Betrayal, and enough Conservative voters would Switch to the Brexit party, robbing him of any chance of a majority.  Because of Britain’s ‘First Past the Post’ electoral system, the Brexit Party would be unlikely even in these circumstances, to gain enough seats to prop BoJo up in a coalition with a majority big enough to get the job done.

     

    So in summary...  Boris is fucked, The UK is fucked,  I have no idea how we get out of this mess.

     

    All you Americans have to do, is vote out Trump, and things would soon go back to pretty much normal.  I can’t see how the UK will ever be the same again.

  6. 6 minutes ago, marioandsonic said:

    So there's no parliament until September? 

    Yep, we begged the EU for an extension until end of October, to sort ourselves out.   We are using the time wisely, Parliament is on summer break until the start of September, briefly returning, before closing again for 2 weeks for Party Conferences...   You couldn’t make this shit up, it is crazy!

  7. There are rumors of up to a dozen pro-EU Conservative MPs about to resign from the party when Parliament returns in September.  Some are likely to sit as Independent MPs, but others may switch to the Liberal Democrats.  Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader has said she has spoken to around 6 Tories about them joining.  A single defector wipes out Bojo’s tiny majority.

     

    Dr. Philip Lee could be the first of them.

     

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-defection-lib-dems-brexit-boris-johnson-majority-phillip-lee-a9030576.html

     

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/02/tory-mp-threatens-quit-wipe-boris-johnsons-majority-10505532/

     

     

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