Sarah Huckabee Sanders says Trump told her to go to North Korea and take 'one for the team' after Kim Jong Un winked at her

[CastlevaniaNut18]

2 hours ago, MarSolo said:

The Huckabees are just awful people in general anyways.

 

Didn’t one brother kill dogs for fun and the other actually molested little girls or am I mixing them up with the Duggars?

Her brother tortured and killed a dog while he was a counselor at a summer camp. He got fired and daddy covered for him. The molestation stuff was the Duggars.

[skillzdadirecta]

2 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

Her brother tortured and killed a dog while he was a counselor at a summer camp. He got fired and daddy covered for him. The molestation stuff was the Duggars.

So... potential serial killer?

[CastlevaniaNut18]

2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So... potential serial killer?

I mean, it's one of the early signs, but as far as I know, he hasn't done anything since. I don't know shit else about the guy, can't even recall his name and I live in their state.

 

Also, I don't know why you guys keep arguing with sbl. it's the same shtick every time.

[skillzdadirecta]

9 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

I mean, it's one of the early signs, but as far as I know, he hasn't done anything since. I don't know shit else about the guy, can't even recall his name and I live in their state.

 

Also, I don't know why you guys keep arguing with sbl. it's the same shtick every time.

Oh that's right... The Hucks are big where you're from. Were people happy with papa Huck as Governor?

[CastlevaniaNut18]

10 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Oh that's right... The Hucks are big where you're from. Were people happy with papa Huck as Governor?

I guess? I mean, he was one of our longest serving governors, held the office for 11 years. I was barely 9 when he took office, so I don't remember a ton about his tenure.  I remember his response to Katrina was widely praised and he signed the ARKids first legislation, which gave a ton of uninsured kids coverage, myself and my brother included. My parents had just lost their jobs, were in school, so we didn't have their insurance coverage anymore. It helped out a lot of families who made too much for Medicaid, but not enough for private coverage.

 

I didn't really start to dislike him until he made his presidential run and I saw all the crazy shit he believed. I  think he just got worse from there.

[sexy_shapiro]

2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Dear god you people are bad at this... I'll make their argument FOR them. Rather than compare this incident to gang rape or chronic spousal abuse and go immediately nuclear, here's a more appropriate straw man that could  have been used if folks weren't so eagar to prove their moral superiority (yet again)and actually thought about what they were typing before comparing apples to shit that ain't apples. What you COULD have said is It would be like finding out Trump made a racist comment at the expense of Ben Carson and then asking if I felt bad for him. While the racism would be wrong in this example (The same as in SHS' case) I STILL wouldn't feel a LICK of sympathy for Sleepy McGee. Would I think he deserved it? No. Would I care that it happened to him? HIm specifically? Again, no. Would I immediately compare this hypothetcial situation to a lynching or a police shooting? Hell no because IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. Jesus Christ you guys really need to get out and spend some time with real live, breathing people.

The reason why I used exaggerated examples is because I’m curious about where you draw the line. How severe does the harassment have to be before sympathy is elicited?

 

I’ve also been sexually harassed at work, so I tend to not be as calloused towards this issue at others.

 

Also, it’s fine if you just shrug at this. You aren’t laughing at this like others in this thread are. I mainly take issue with you trying to take away her victim status.

[skillzdadirecta]

3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

I guess? I mean, he was one of our longest serving governors, held the office for 11 years. I was barely 9 when he took office, so I don't remember a ton about his tenure.  I remember his response to Katrina was widely praised and he signed the ARKids first legislation, which gave a ton of uninsured kids coverage, myself and my brother included. My parents had just lost their jobs, were in school, so we didn't have their insurance coverage anymore. It helped out a lot of families who made too much for Medicaid, but not enough for private coverage.

 

I didn't really start to dislike him until he made his presidential run and I saw all the crazy shit he believed. I  think he just got worse from there.

I remember thinking he was a decent guy at first too when he first came on the national scene... then he went full bat shit. Seemed to get worse once he became a Fox news personality.

[skillzdadirecta]

Just now, sexy_shapiro said:

The reason why I used exaggerated examples is because I’m curious about where you draw the line. How severe does the harassment have to be before sympathy is elicited?

 

I’ve also been sexually harassed at work, so I tend to not be as calloused towards this issue at others.

 

Also, it’s fine if you just shrug at this. You aren’t laughing at this like others in this thread are. I mainly take issue with you trying to take away her victim status.

 Which I never did. 

[sexy_shapiro]

12 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 Which I never did. 

 

8 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

I'm not blaming her but at the same time, is she really a victim?

 

[CastlevaniaNut18]

I'm betting SHS doesn't even view herself as a victim.

[skillzdadirecta]

3 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said:

 

 

Yeah that's called "a question" bruh... look it up. it was meant to start a discussion not a declaration of my opinion. Clearly some of you don't know the difference.

 

4 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

I'm betting SHS doesn't even view herself as a victim.

 

Also this.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Sure, I'll admit that she's a victim.

[Anathema-]

Comeuppance makes me happy and you won't make me feel bad about it.

[skillzdadirecta]

1 minute ago, Emperor Diocletian II said:

Sure, I'll admit that she's a victim.

Just like the person who fed the bear in my example and was mauled by said bear... or people who defy covid recommendations and then catch Covid. Yes they are indeed victims. Doesn't mean I have to feel anything for them either way... I think there's a misunderstanding as to what the word "victim" means  Clearly people don't understand what "a question" is.

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim

 

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Definition of victim

1: one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agentthe schools are victims of the social system: such as

a(1): one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditionsa victim of cancera victim of the auto crasha murder victim

(2): one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatmenta frequent victim of political attacks

b: one that is tricked or dupeda con man's victim

2: a living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a religious rite

 

anyway I grow weary of this game... I'm gonna go play some Avengers. Some how I think Hucka-Sands will be ok.

[sexy_shapiro]

1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Yeah that's called "a question" bruh... look it up. it was meant to start a discussion not a declaration of my opinion. Clearly some of you don't know the difference.

 

 

Also this.

 

Alright, no need for that tone at all. I’m going to bow out. I’m not even mad at you guys, or even judging you guys, but for some reason you’re being snippy towards me for simply trying to share with you guys how I try practice compassionate thought and living.

 

It’s clear that with my history of being a sexual assault victim that this debate is not helping my mental health and only triggering my PTSD. It’s time for me to walk away.

[MarSolo]

Wait, we’re missing the big picture here:

 

How long until someone asks Trump about this and what’s his response going to be?

[skillzdadirecta]

9 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said:

It’s clear that with my history of being a sexual assault victim that this debate is not helping my mental health and only triggering my PTSD. It’s time for me to walk away.

You're right and I'm sorry... most of my ire in this thread wasn't even directed at you because I at least know you're arguing in good faith and not just trolling. I don't doubt that you've experienced harassment but unlike you, SHS had agency in what she dealt with. Also I doubt you would go out and attack and discredit people who experienced the same kinds of abuse you suffered from knowing full well that theit claims were likely true. I appreciate that you see the shared humanity between you and Hucka-Sands but you and her are not the same. Not even close... and I'm saying that not even knowing exactly what you went through. I hope you were able to get out of that situation because I can only imagine how much it would suck.

 

And to be clear, I have the same level of empathy about this as I would have for a Black Trump supporter who gets called a nigger at a Trump rally. My reaction would STILL be 

 

14 minutes ago, MarSolo said:

Wait, we’re missing the big picture here:

 

How long until someone asks Trump about this and what’s his response going to be?

 

Hucka-Sands will walk this back TONIGHT on one of the Fox News shows mark my words. 

[mrbiggsly]

14 minutes ago, MarSolo said:

Wait, we’re missing the big picture here:

 

How long until someone asks Trump about this and what’s his response going to be?

Never met her

[MarSolo]

Wait, we’re missing an even better story here:

I hope Joe Biden gives Mooch a job in his administration.

[skillzdadirecta]

3 minutes ago, MarSolo said:

Wait, we’re missing an even better story here:

I hope Joe Biden gives Mooch a job in his administration.

 

Yup... that's classic Mooch right there.

[Amazatron]

Oh hell no, Mooch can take his grifting ass the fuck out of here. Go piss off with Avenatti.

[CayceG]

1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said:

I wonder how many people felt bad for Omarosa when she came out and called Trump a racist after she left the White House under securty escort?  I know I didn't!

 

I defended her. 

 

 

No one--not even the most reprehensible people--deserve to be harassed. I feel the same about SHS here. 

[Jason]

9 minutes ago, MarSolo said:

Wait, we’re missing an even better story here:

I hope Joe Biden gives Mooch a job in his administration.

 

 

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, CayceG said:

No one--not even the most reprehensible people--deserve to be harassed. I feel the same about SHS here. 

 

I feel the same way about this as I would if extermination camp victims had ever managed to shove the Nazi guards into the gas chambers instead. Sure, nobody deserves to die in a gas chamber, but why in the world would I feel bad for the Nazi guards?

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said:

 

Alright, no need for that tone at all. I’m going to bow out. I’m not even mad at you guys, or even judging you guys, but for some reason you’re being snippy towards me for simply trying to share with you guys how I try practice compassionate thought and living.

 

It’s clear that with my history of being a sexual assault victim that this debate is not helping my mental health and only triggering my PTSD. It’s time for me to walk away.

They want you to feel crazy for being a caring person because they take great pleasure in seeing people they dislike hurt. They just aren’t willing to say it in a straight forward way like Wade is. But it’s a regular theme on this board, not some one off experience.

[Amazatron]

The whole notion of compassion on a message board for someone that will never be on said board is weird to me anyways. Like who cares?

 

Show compassion and empathy to people that you can actually affect their lives.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Amazatron said:

The whole notion of compassion on a message board for someone that will never be on said board is weird to me anyways. Like who cares?

 

Show compassion and empathy to people that you can actually affect their lives.

 

Maybe sbl is actually SHS's alt.

[CastlevaniaNut18]

12 minutes ago, Amazatron said:

The whole notion of compassion on a message board for someone that will never be on said board is weird to me anyways. Like who cares?

 

Show compassion and empathy to people that you can actually affect their lives.

How else you gonna get that sweet high of moral superiority over strangers on the internet?

[Joe]

I personally am not affected by what happened to SHS and do not care much, but if someone else who has PTSD tells me that it does affect them, then yeah I will shut the fuck right up (other than making this post lol).

[Kal-El814]

1 hour ago, Amazatron said:

The whole notion of compassion on a message board for someone that will never be on said board is weird to me anyways. Like who cares?

 

Show compassion and empathy to people that you can actually affect their lives.

 

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[CastlevaniaNut18]

8 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

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Working with the public for the last decade plus has severely depleted my compassion for humanity reserves. 
 

To be clear, I’m on the side of no one deserves that treatment. I just don’t have enough sympathy in me to feel bad for Sanders, given the damage she caused and the fact she still defends the man. 

[Keyser_Soze]

It's upsetting that this is a 3 page thread defending  SHS or justifying that people should care and feel bad for her anyway.

 

She's trash.

 

@Emperor Diocletian II is Samuel L Jackson dropping the truth

 

 

[legend]

6 hours ago, sblfilms said:

That’s an interesting paragraph that ends up turning back into “she deserves it” because she could have just done something different. That is the logical implication of your post, my man. Sanders earned what she got because she was a bad man’s mouthpiece and could have left whenever she wanted. This is what undergirds the notion that one shouldn’t feel bad for the person who was sexually harassed. No getting around that.

 

I don't think anyone "deserves" anything, good or bad. And I tend to think that's a bad way to think about "ethical" issues since I think it's nonsensical concept. A better way to think about things is what the harm and benefits are to people. In this case, there is potentially a useful benefit to her being on the receiving end of some of Trump's shit that may balance the harm.

 

Too many people, particularly those who are Trump supporters, refuse to acknowledge and respond to the harm he causes if it's not directly and obviously affecting them too. If Trump never treated Huckabee the same way he's treated countless other women it would be all too fucking easy for her to look the other way because she's that kind of self-involved person. If she actually has to suffer at least some degree of the shit she had turned a blind eye to, she might actually start adjusting her position even if only slightly.

 

 

3 hours ago, sexy_shapiro said:

The reason why I used exaggerated examples is because I’m curious about where you draw the line. How severe does the harassment have to be before sympathy is elicited?

 

I'm not sure I'd be able to give you a simple clean answer. The tension is between how much benefit there is in her confronting and changing her positions from the things she experience, and the degree of pain and trauma of the experience itself. Rape would easily cross line because it's so horrendous an act it would counter act any benefit in her having to shift her feelings.

[CayceG]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

 

I feel the same way about this as I would if extermination camp victims had ever managed to shove the Nazi guards into the gas chambers instead. Sure, nobody deserves to die in a gas chamber, but why in the world would I feel bad for the Nazi guards?

 

The Nazi guard chose to be a Nazi and a guard. No one chooses to be a woman or black and get harassed for who they are and something they can't change. 

[CastlevaniaNut18]

1 minute ago, CayceG said:

 

The Nazi guard chose to be a Nazi and a guard. No one chooses to be a woman or black and get harassed for who they are and something they can't change. 

Yeah, but she chose to work for a serial sexual abuser. It was well known. Then she dismissed his victims. And she’ll continue to go on news shows and defend his actions.
 

Still doesn’t deserve it, but she got off a lot lighter than many of his victims. She didn’t get raped or assaulted. She didn’t lose her job due to harassment. She endured a crude comment from her boss and she clearly doesn’t seem traumatized by it.