chakoo Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, Jason said: "Handling the cloud stuff" means easier US gov access into their servers. Maybe? The servers for US/NA users were already in the US in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: Didn't TikTok decide on Oracle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Joe said: Didn't TikTok decide on Oracle? I'm sure a part of their math included how likely it was for the White House to try to derail any deals they were working on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: I'm sure a part of their math included how likely it was for the White House to try to derail any deals they were working on. Seems like QUITE the stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Wow this financially benefits Trump's allies what a fucking shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Wasn't this always what this was about though? An American company to handle the user information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Joe said: Wasn't this always what this was about though? An American company to handle the user information? No it's always been about Trump being pissed people used TikTok to organize embarrassing him at his Tulsa Klan rally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, Jason said: No it's always been about Trump being pissed people used TikTok to organize embarrassing him at his Tulsa Klan rally. I don't understand why people are expressing surprise that Oracle only has a minority stake in the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe said: I don't understand why people are expressing surprise that Oracle only has a minority stake in the company. We're not? It was just initially confusing because all the reporting made it seem like Trump wanted the entire US operation sold off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I saw a lot of talk about how a balkanized US-only TikTok would severely diminish its value to people using it to get exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, Jason said: We're not? It was just initially confusing because all the reporting made it seem like Trump wanted the entire US operation sold off. I dunno, this whole thing was always about user information. Microsoft just tried to get cute and buy the whole company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jason said: No it's always been about Trump being pissed people used TikTok to organize embarrassing him at his Tulsa Klan rally. I thought that the TikTok ban threat was stupid, but this obviously had nothing to do with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 48 minutes ago, Joe said: Seems like QUITE the stretch. Why would it be? This entire fire sale is only happening because of this administration, so why wouldn't ByteDance factor in potential administration approval? This is the best case scenario for them. Sell off only their US cloud infrastructure to a company on good terms with the White House. This allows ByteDance to get away with not selling full control of TikTok to another company and keep everything under one roof other than management of their US backend. We still don't know if this will actually work, but I have a sinking suspicion it will. I also don't believe this would have worked out if, say, Amazon or any company not on friendly terms with the White House had made the same offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Joe said: I dunno, this whole thing was always about user information. Microsoft just tried to get cute and buy the whole company. It is. Expect the future of Chinese companies owning or operating in the US having to go through similar hoops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 This is how big business is structured in Russia. It's not illegal coercion if the oligarchs agree to your unconstitutional demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 My class on Oracle SQL is about to pay off! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: My class on Oracle SQL is about to pay off! Pandas > SQL. Ugh, I really have to take the time to learn SQL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe said: Pandas > SQL. Ugh, I really have to take the time to learn SQL. The great thing about SQL is that all versions are pretty much the same. I use T-SQL (Microsoft version) at work, while my colleague is more familiar with MySQL. There's only really a few syntax things that differ, and it's a very useful query language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The great thing about SQL is that all versions are pretty much the same. I use T-SQL (Microsoft version) at work, while my colleague is more familiar with MySQL. There's only really a few syntax things that differ, and it's a very useful query language. Yeah I'm in a data science bootcamp right now and they say the number one complaint they get from employers is that their students aren't as well-versed with SQL as they should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I'm no expert, but I know the fundamentals and can easily google stuff on a case-by-case basis. That's really all of the computer science world. Knowing what to google is the biggest skill you can have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, Joe said: Pandas > SQL. Ugh, I really have to take the time to learn SQL. Where do you think the data in a DataFrame comes from lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Where do you think the data in a DataFrame comes from lol The builtin csv module behind the scenes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The great thing about SQL is that all versions are pretty much the same. I use T-SQL (Microsoft version) at work, while my colleague is more familiar with MySQL. There's only really a few syntax things that differ, and it's a very useful query language. The processes I work with use oracle and pgadmin for different processes using the exact same data and the biggest meaningful difference I've found thus far is the pgadmin system was set up using a different naming convention, I assume to single me out and make me angry. But yeah, sql is easy once you know one well enough, the rest are just a quick primer away from being useful to you, as they all should be compliant with standards. But select * from schema.table is pretty universal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Where do you think the data in a DataFrame comes from lol Wait, what? Ever heard of webscraping or API's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I literally just webscraped for a data science project two weeks ago and used a Python library that webscrapes for a project I just finished presenting on today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 WTF is Oracle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Brick said: WTF is Oracle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 40 minutes ago, Joe said: I literally just webscraped for a data science project two weeks ago and used a Python library that webscrapes for a project I just finished presenting on today. No soup for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Amazatron said: No soup for you? It's not beautiful at all. I need to learn selenium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, Joe said: Wait, what? Ever heard of webscraping or API's? Obviously, but the point is that SQL often feeds into a python/pandas scripts that easily work with other tools in the python ecosystem. For that reason, pandas and sql are apples and oranges! There are sometimes similar functions and capabilities, but to my knowledge you can't really query a relational database without sql! Even the pandas read_sql_query function requires you to write a domain/database specific sql statement in order to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 The direction of this conversation makes me wish a major server room implodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Obviously, but the point is that SQL often feeds into a python/pandas scripts that easily work with other tools in the python ecosystem. For that reason, pandas and sql are apples and oranges! There are sometimes similar functions and capabilities, but to my knowledge you can't really query a relational database without sql! Even the pandas read_sql_query function requires you to write a domain/database specific sql statement in order to use it. I wasn't trying to downplay the importance of SQL. I even mentioned its importance. Just stating what I'm more comfortable using atm since I have only been doing this for 40 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, Joe said: I wasn't trying to downplay the importance of SQL. I even mentioned its importance. Just stating what I'm more comfortable using atm since I have only been doing this for 40 days. Makes sense in that context. You can do a whole lot of interesting things, a lot more quickly, with python/pandas than you can with just running sql queries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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