b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Good thread. Never would have thought of this perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Good thread. Never would have thought of this perspective. It's certainly possible. That or Manafort expects a pardon from Trump. Or he's Manafucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I like the move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Hung Jury/Mistrial Train now leaving the station! All Aboard! CHOO-CHOO! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 11 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: Hung Jury/Mistrial Train now leaving the station! All Aboard! CHOO-CHOO! Or death penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 17 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: Hung Jury/Mistrial Train now leaving the station! All Aboard! CHOO-CHOO! I legit lol'd at CHOO-CHOO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 You know how they say birds of a feather flock together? https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/16/paul-manafort-trial-verdict-latest-updates-779660 Quote As the wait began, Manafort’s attorneys decamped to the Westin hotel restaurant across the street from the courthouse, along with reporters and players from the New York Jets, who are in town for a pre-season game Thursday night against the Washington Redskins. Manafort is doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 attorneys are in the concussion protocol but will be good to go when the jury finishes deliberations. For mysterious reasons, the black attorney is being converted to wide receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Please don't post updates every time the jury has a question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, CayceG said: Please don't post updates every time the jury has a question. I'll just PM them to you instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 "Your honor, we've decided that everyone involved in this case sucks and we hate them. How do we mistrial this shit?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: "Your honor, we've decided that everyone involved in this case sucks and we hate them. How do we mistrial this shit?" Here's the actual questions, apparently: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Mine is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Jason said: Here's the actual questions, apparently: OMFG! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Gonna get away with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 They have to get him at least on tax evasion that is cut and dry, the more conspiratorial charges he might get off on since they all hinged on Gates' testimony and he had to admit on stand that he was a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Yeah, some of the evidence of some of the crimes is incontrovertible. This will be appealed if he gets off completely, and they prosecution will win on appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: Yeah, some of the evidence of some of the crimes is incontrovertible. This will be appealed if he gets off completely, and they prosecution will win on appeal. prosecution cannot appeal an acquittal, that is double jeopardy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Quote The only exception to an acquittal being final is if the defendant was never in actual jeopardy. If a defendant bribes a judge and obtains acquittal as a result of a bench trial, the acquittal is not valid because the defendant was never in jeopardy in the first place. Harry Aleman v. Judges of the Criminal Division, Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois, et al., 138 F.3d 302 (7th Cir. 1998). Kinda surprised Manafort didn’t ask for a bench trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Probably was Trump phoning him under his alias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 All jurors for all trials names and information should be sealed, I am honestly shocked that news outlets actually asked the court for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, elbobo said: prosecution cannot appeal an acquittal, that is double jeopardy Doesn't that only apply to murders? and isn't @Greatoneshere a Lawyer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, skillzdadirecta said: Doesn't that only apply to murders? and isn't @Greatoneshere a Lawyer? It is any crime. They can't keep trying you over and over again for robbing a bank. If you are found not guilty that is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I'm pretty sure in Canada that jurors aren't allowed to speak about their experience, and courts routinely put publication bans on certain trials. If the press ignores it they get big fines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: Yeah, some of the evidence of some of the crimes is incontrovertible. This will be appealed if he gets off completely, and they prosecution will win on appeal. 3 hours ago, elbobo said: prosecution cannot appeal an acquittal, that is double jeopardy 2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: Doesn't that only apply to murders? and isn't @Greatoneshere a Lawyer? I was going to write out a long explanation of how, if this jury let's Manafort off the hook, it almost has to be because of a juror with an ax to grind. And, while not technically an appeal, I beleive the prosecution could then sue to have the decision thrown out if the juror had tipped his hand on his bias. But there's a much simpler answer here. There is virtually no chance the whole jury is going to aquit on all charges. At best Manafort gets off on one or more counts due to a hung jury and the prosecution can choose to bring charges again, from what I understand. Whether they would...who knows. If they win his next trial then it seems likely. If they lose there, trying Manafort again after "losing" twice would likely provide a lot of political fodder to the witch hunt narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 1:32 PM, elbobo said: prosecution cannot appeal an acquittal, that is double jeopardy Correct, but they'd appeal on grounds of jury bias or judge misconduct or some other legal technicality that would allow them to potentially re-litigate the case's facts and charges again. 23 hours ago, elbobo said: It is any crime. They can't keep trying you over and over again for robbing a bank. If you are found not guilty that is it. See above. 21 hours ago, Chairslinger said: I was going to write out a long explanation of how, if this jury let's Manafort off the hook, it almost has to be because of a juror with an ax to grind. And, while not technically an appeal, I beleive the prosecution could then sue to have the decision thrown out if the juror had tipped his hand on his bias. But there's a much simpler answer here. There is virtually no chance the whole jury is going to aquit on all charges. At best Manafort gets off on one or more counts due to a hung jury and the prosecution can choose to bring charges again, from what I understand. Whether they would...who knows. If they win his next trial then it seems likely. If they lose there, trying Manafort again after "losing" twice would likely provide a lot of political fodder to the witch hunt narrative. More or less correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 So the jury asked how to fill out the verdict if they can't come to a consensus on a single count, which means all of them or one of them, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: So the jury asked how to fill out the verdict if they can't come to a consensus on a single account, which means all of them or one of them, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Plenty of room on the Mistrial/Hung Jury Train, guys! WOO! WOO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Plenty of room on the Mistrial/Hung Jury Train, guys! WOO! WOO! I'm sure you'll be technically correct with 17 guilty verdicts and 1 hung count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Plenty of room on the Mistrial/Hung Jury Train, guys! WOO! WOO! If they are, they’re really freaking awful at this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 55 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: So the jury asked how to fill out the verdict if they can't come to a consensus on a single count, which means all of them or one of them, lol. From what I heard this morning, they are having trouble on one count out of 18... so they have consensus on 17 of the 18 counts and the judge may allow them to present a verdict on the 17 and be hung on the 18th. That's if I understood the talking head legal guys right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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