General Gaming Hitman 3 - Information Thread, update: "Ambrose Island" Location Reveal Trailer

[SaysWho?]

Just now, Keyser_Soze said:

 

You've got pet names for each other now!

 

Now? 

 

Surely you jest!

[Kal-El814]

4 hours ago, SaysWho? said:

I have the first one on PS+; I should get to playing that at some point because this seems like a series of games I'd dig.

 

This Hitman trilogy is just this sublime collection of little clockwork style murder simulator levels. Every character is a small accident away from dying horribly, every map has so many ways to approach the targets that are so satisfying. Then the escalations play on your knowledge of those levels to add different targets with increasingly different victory conditions. The levels also have remixes with completely different scenarios. Then they have elusive targets where you have a limited amount of IRL time to find and kill the target (most of the time, your targets get marked when you use Batman vision, the the elusive targets do not get highlighted). If you die during an Elusive Target run or if you successfully kill the target, you can never try that target ever again, so trying to kill them with the Silent Assassin Suit Only condition is easily the most intense gameplay experience for me last gen.

 

They’re not perfect games and I don’t wanna say that they’re “Souls like” at all, since that has a specific connotation that doesn’t apply to Hitman. BUT if part of what turns you on about Souls games is the feeling of derping through a level the first time, replaying it a lot, then kicking the shit out of it once you know what makes it tick... Hitman IS like that except the emphasis is on you knowing the “puzzle” of the level and not about flowing with the combat. That feeling of running through Sapienza and getting a Silent Assassin Suit Only run in < 7 minutes with the default load out when the first time through that level took me 45 minutes is just so good.

 

Unlike the Souls games, where even if you watch a video of how to do a level / boss you still need to be able to actually play the game well... watching someone shred a Hitman level before you get to know it kinda ruins the feeling of having spent days in a level to find an item in a crucial location, or a sweet route through a map.

 

Gah I can’t wait for Hitman 3.

 

Also if you’re going to get 3 at some point, might be worth playing Hitman 2, since unlocks and progression from 2 will carry over to 3, but I don’t believe anything meaningful carries over from 1 to 2.

[Kal-El814]

16 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

I have the first one on PS+; I should get to playing that at some point because this seems like a series of games I'd dig.

 

This Hitman trilogy is just this sublime collection of little clockwork style murder simulator levels. Every character is a small accident away from dying horribly, every map has so many ways to approach the targets that are so satisfying. Then the escalations play on your knowledge of those levels to add different targets worth increasingly different victory conditions. The levels also have remixes with completely different scenarios. Then they have elusive targets where you have a limited amount of IRL time to find and kill the target (most of the time, your targets get marked when you use Batman vision, the the elusive targets do not get highlighted). If you die during an Elusive Target run or if you successfully kill the target, you can never try that target ever again, so trying to kill them with the Silent Assassin Suit Only condition is easily the most intense gameplay experience for me last gen.

 

They’re not perfect games and I don’t wanna say that they’re “Souls like” at all, since that has a specific connotation that doesn’t apply to Hitman at all. BUT if part of what turns you on about Souls games is the feeling of derping through a level the first time, replaying it a lot, then kicking the shit out of it once you know what makes it tick... Hitman IS like that except the emphasis is on you knowing the “puzzle” of the level and not about flowing with the combat. That feeling of running through Sapienza and getting a Silent Assassin Suit Only run in < 7 minutes with the default load out when the first time through that level took me 45 minutes is just so good.

 

Unlike the Souls games, where even if you watch a video of how to do a level / boss you still need to be able to actually play the game well... watching someone shred a Hitman level before you get to know it kinda ruins the feeling of having spent days in a level to find an item in a crucial location, or a sweet route through a map.

 

Gah I can’t wait for Hitman 3.

 

Also if you’re going to get 3 at some point, might be worth playing Hitman 2, since unlocks and progression from 2 will carry over to 3, but I don’t believe anything meaningful carries over from 1 to 2.

[SaysWho?]

8 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

This Hitman trilogy is just this sublime collection of little clockwork style murder simulator levels. Every character is a small accident away from dying horribly, every map has so many ways to approach the targets that are so satisfying. Then the escalations play on your knowledge of those levels to add different targets worth increasingly different victory conditions. The levels also have remixes with completely different scenarios. Then they have elusive targets where you have a limited amount of IRL time to find and kill the target (most of the time, your targets get marked when you use Batman vision, the the elusive targets do not get highlighted). If you die during an Elusive Target run or if you successfully kill the target, you can never try that target ever again, so trying to kill them with the Silent Assassin Suit Only condition is easily the most intense gameplay experience for me last gen.

 

They’re not perfect games and I don’t wanna say that they’re “Souls like” at all, since that has a specific connotation that doesn’t apply to Hitman at all. BUT if part of what turns you on about Souls games is the feeling of derping through a level the first time, replaying it a lot, then kicking the shit out of it once you know what makes it tick... Hitman IS like that except the emphasis is on you knowing the “puzzle” of the level and not about flowing with the combat. That feeling of running through Sapienza and getting a Silent Assassin Suit Only run in < 7 minutes with the default load out when the first time through that level took me 45 minutes is just so good.

 

Unlike the Souls games, where even if you watch a video of how to do a level / boss you still need to be able to actually play the game well... watching someone shred a Hitman level before you get to know it kinda ruins the feeling of having spent days in a level to find an item in a crucial location, or a sweet route through a map.

 

Gah I can’t wait for Hitman 3.

 

Also if you’re going to get 3 at some point, might be worth playing Hitman 2, since unlocks and progression from 2 will carry over to 3, but I don’t believe anything meaningful carries over from 1 to 2.

 

I totally get your Souls comparison, so it's cool.

 

If I enjoy Hitman 1, I fully expect that I'll purchase Hitman 2 and then get 3. I'm a big fan of stealth, even when it's simple stealth like Horizon Zero Dawn. So when it's something like MGSV, I start to REALLY get into it. If Hitman is the kind of thing where the fun will be failing until I find what works in an intricately created level, then I'm excited.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

I've updated the OpenCritic reviews post because as more reviews are posted, the average keeps climbing!

[Keyser_Soze]

2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

I totally get your Souls comparison, so it's cool.

 

If I enjoy Hitman 1, I fully expect that I'll purchase Hitman 2 and then get 3. I'm a big fan of stealth, even when it's simple stealth like Horizon Zero Dawn. So when it's something like MGSV, I start to REALLY get into it. If Hitman is the kind of thing where the fun will be failing until I find what works in an intricately created level, then I'm excited.

 

Or just find the 'sploits

[Kal-El814]

22 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

I totally get your Souls comparison, so it's cool.

 

If I enjoy Hitman 1, I fully expect that I'll purchase Hitman 2 and then get 3. I'm a big fan of stealth, even when it's simple stealth like Horizon Zero Dawn. So when it's something like MGSV, I start to REALLY get into it. If Hitman is the kind of thing where the fun will be failing until I find what works in an intricately created level, then I'm excited.

 

Sweet.

 

If your plan is to eventually get / play Hitman 2, then 3, and you already own 1... I’d say play Hitman 1 long enough to determine if you like it, then either get Hitman 2 and the legacy pack that lets you play Hitman 1 levels in Hitman 2... or just get Hitman 3. If you spend a lot of time in Hitman 1 levels in Hitman 1, none of your mastery unlocks will carry over. If you play Hitman 2, anything you unlock can carry over into 3, including stuff from the Hitman 1 levels.

 

This is basically a long winded way of saying that if you start Hitman 1, like it, and you will eventually wanna play the content from 2 and 3, you’re likely best off just doing all of that in Hitman 2 or 3. So you don’t spend a shitload of time in Hitman 1, start up Hitman 3, and realize that you have to unlock everything from the Hitman 1 levels again.  It’s a weird content situation, but it’s super cool that ultimately the whole trilogy will be in one game / app / launcher. And if you don’t care about unlocking shit from Hitman 1 and using it in later levels, or if you won’t wanna unlock stuff from 3 and then use it in a level in 1... then just do what feels good.

 

And yeah, a huge part of the fun in Hitman is figuring out how all the cogs and gears in a level wind together. The series has its own, bizarre fridge logic that becomes really fun to take advantage of. And the game throws literally hundreds of challenges at you across the levels, the description and previews of which help inspire ways to think about the level. “Kill so and so by electrocuting him in a puddle? Huh lemme watch him and see if he even walks by one, maybe I don’t have to bait him. Okay, he does walk through one on his loop. Guess I need a screwdriver to fuck with the electric box, plenty of those around lemme find one. Huh I guess messing with the box while I’m wearing a tuxedo would be a suspicious action, I wonder if I should distract everyone around this thing somehow, or maybe there’s an outfit that wouldn’t raise suspicion with this action...” It’s that kinda thing. Figuring out which costumes let you get away with what, that starting at different points you can unlock will give you more insight into the story / level... It’s so good.

 

The games have story prompts, where if 47 hears someone talking about something that is a story thread, you can ping it and follow markers through the level. They’re not granular, it’ll say something like “get this costume” and it’s up to you to figure out how, but the breadcrumbs lead you through those beats. You can also turn that off completely and it really changes the game into something where you don’t know definitively which banter is flavor vs. meaningful, it’s pretty cool.

[SaysWho?]

54 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Sweet.

 

If your plan is to eventually get / play Hitman 2, then 3, and you already own 1... I’d say play Hitman 1 long enough to determine if you like it, then either get Hitman 2 and the legacy pack that lets you play Hitman 1 levels in Hitman 2... or just get Hitman 3. If you spend a lot of time in Hitman 1 levels in Hitman 1, none of your mastery unlocks will carry over. If you play Hitman 2, anything you unlock can carry over into 3, including stuff from the Hitman 1 levels.

 

This is basically a long winded way of saying that if you start Hitman 1, like it, and you will eventually wanna play the content from 2 and 3, you’re likely best off just doing all of that in Hitman 2 or 3. So you don’t spend a shitload of time in Hitman 1, start up Hitman 3, and realize that you have to unlock everything from the Hitman 1 levels again.  It’s a weird content situation, but it’s super cool that ultimately the whole trilogy will be in one game / app / launcher. And if you don’t care about unlocking shit from Hitman 1 and using it in later levels, or if you won’t wanna unlock stuff from 3 and then use it in a level in 1... then just do what feels good.

 

And yeah, a huge part of the fun in Hitman is figuring out how all the cogs and gears in a level wind together. The series has its own, bizarre fridge logic that becomes really fun to take advantage of. And the game throws literally hundreds of challenges at you across the levels, the description and previews of which help inspire ways to think about the level. “Kill so and so by electrocuting him in a puddle? Huh lemme watch him and see if he even walks by one, maybe I don’t have to bait him. Okay, he does walk through one on his loop. Guess I need a screwdriver to fuck with the electric box, plenty of those around lemme find one. Huh I guess messing with the box while I’m wearing a tuxedo would be a suspicious action, I wonder if I should distract everyone around this thing somehow, or maybe there’s an outfit that wouldn’t raise suspicion with this action...” It’s that kinda thing. Figuring out which costumes let you get away with what, that starting at different points you can unlock will give you more insight into the story / level... It’s so good.

 

The games have story prompts, where if 47 hears someone talking about something that is a story thread, you can ping it and follow markers through the level. They’re not granular, it’ll say something like “get this costume” and it’s up to you to figure out how, but the breadcrumbs lead you through those beats. You can also turn that off completely and it really changes the game into something where you don’t know definitively which banter is flavor vs. meaningful, it’s pretty cool.

That would certainly save me a lot of time. Okay, don’t complete Hitman 1 if I know I want to continue with 2, then play all content from the games in 2 so everything carries over to 3.

 

I do have plenty of bad clog, so I can’t say I’m gonna start playing hitman in a week, but that’s now part of my backlog!I do have plenty of bad clog, so I can’t say I’m gonna start playing hitman in a week, but that’s now part of my backlog!

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

 

[Kal-El814]

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 

That’s awesome. Hopefully they didn’t have to work themselves to death to achieve it.

[Spork3245]

[Brian]

 

-Native 4K/60fps on Series X. One of the cleanest games they've seen.

 

-1800p/60fps on PS5

 

-1080p/60fps on Series S.

 

-Series X has Ultra Textures and High Shadows.

-PS5 has Ultra Textures and Medium Shadows.

 

-Series S has High Textures and Low Shadows.

-Framerate is close to perfect on all platforms, with a few exceptions.

 

-Load times are virtually identical on all next-gen platforms, with PS5 typically coming in about 1/2 a second faster.

[number305]

Are they going to do those timed assassination things with this game like they have in the past?  Like where you get to kill someone famous but he is only around for two weeks?  Those were kind of cool.

 

Because honestly if not I may wait a year and get a game of the year edition will all three games and all the future DLC for $20.

[Spork3245]

1 hour ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

 

-Native 4K/60fps on Series X. One of the cleanest games they've seen.

 

-1800p/60fps on PS5

 

-1080p/60fps on Series S.

 

-Series X has Ultra Textures and High Shadows.

-PS5 has Ultra Textures and Medium Shadows.

 

-Series S has High Textures and Low Shadows.

-Framerate is close to perfect on all platforms, with a few exceptions.

 

-Load times are virtually identical on all next-gen platforms, with PS5 typically coming in about 1/2 a second faster.

I gamefly’d the wrong version  

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

I gamefly’d the wrong version  

I would have too. This is the first game I recall playing better on the XSX than PS5

[best3444]

4 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

I gamefly’d the wrong version  

 

1 minute ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

I would have too. This is the first game I recall playing better on the XSX than PS5

 

Exactly. That's unfortunate you're getting the ps5 version.

[skillzdadirecta]

Has anyone been able to import their progress from Hitman 2? The carryover website hasn't been working for me.

[SimpleG]

Just now, skillzdadirecta said:

Has anyone been able to import their progress from Hitman 2? The carryover website hasn't been working for me.

Its currently fucked

‘Hitman 3’ Carryover From ‘Hitman 2’ Is Having A Lot Of Problems

WWW.FORBES.COM

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I'll consider this a good problem: the servers that transfer progression from 'Hitman 2' to 'Hitman 3' are having a lot of trouble.

 

[skillzdadirecta]

Just now, SimpleG said:

Its currently fucked

‘Hitman 3’ Carryover From ‘Hitman 2’ Is Having A Lot Of Problems

WWW.FORBES.COM

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I'll consider this a good problem: the servers that transfer progression from 'Hitman 2' to 'Hitman 3' are having a lot of trouble.

 

That's what I thought

 

[Keyser_Soze]

6 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

I would have too. This is the first game I recall playing better on the XSX than PS5

 

Where are all the naysayers from that other thread saying PS5 would forever be better? @TomCat right again.

[Spork3245]

7 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Where are all the naysayers from that other thread saying PS5 would forever be better? @TomCat right again.

Is someone’s brother regretting their purchase?

[Bloodporne]

I haven't really had much time to play lately unfortunately but once I finish Demon's Souls, this'll probably be the next PS5 game I'm picking up. I haven't played Hitman since the PS2 days even I think but I have very fond memories of OG Hitman 2. 

[Keyser_Soze]

10 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I haven't really had much time to play lately unfortunately but once I finish Demon's Souls, this'll probably be the next PS5 game I'm picking up. I haven't played Hitman since the PS2 days even I think but I have very fond memories of OG Hitman 2. 

 

Good news for you since this was considered  return to form after Absolution, and you'll never know what that's like because you never played it.

[Bloodporne]

Just now, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Good news for you since this was considered  return to form after Absolution, and you'll never know what that's like because you never played it.

I played so much of Hitman 2, I think I just kind of checked out because the sequels didn't look all that different nor exciting somehow. What I've seen of these new ones looks really great though and right up my alley. 

[Keyser_Soze]

10 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I played so much of Hitman 2, I think I just kind of checked out because the sequels didn't look all that different nor exciting somehow. What I've seen of these new ones looks really great though and right up my alley. 

 

You checked out at the wrong time because Blood Money was certainly better than Hitman 2.

[skillzdadirecta]

Carryover progress worked today 

[Phaseknox]

8 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Good news for you since this was considered  return to form after Absolution, and you'll never know what that's like because you never played it.

Absolution is my favorite Hitman game. I know that a lot of fans of the series don’t like its more story driven linear level based design, but that’s why I like it.  The previous open-ended mini-sandbox Hitman games failed to really engage me for some reason which is why I’ve stayed away from the latest games since they go back to that formula, but I’ll check them out when they release the trilogy for cheap.

[Keyser_Soze]

2 hours ago, Phaseknox said:

Absolution is my favorite Hitman game. I know that a lot of fans of the series don’t like its more story driven linear level based design, but that’s why I like it.  The previous open-ended mini-sandbox Hitman games failed to really engage me for some reason which is why I’ve stayed away from the latest games since they go back to that formula, but I’ll check them out when they release the trilogy for cheap.

 

 

Yup, looks like a typical Phaseknox post!

[Phaseknox]

4 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Yup, looks like a typical Phaseknox post!

What’s a typical Phaseknox post, not sharing the popular opinion on things? Sometimes I do, and sometimes I don’t. All I know is that I really like Hitman Absolution, it’s one of my favorite action stealth games. It’s more of an action adventure than an assassin simulator like the previous Hitman games, and I get why longtime fans of the series don’t like its change in direction. I just happen to be a bigger fan of that design structure in games. With that said, the newest games in the series look good and I plan on checking them out when all three are released together as a package deal.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Hitman 3 recoups project costs in under a week

WWW.GAMESINDUSTRY.BIZ

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"This puts us in a really good place"

 

[Keyser_Soze]

8 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

Hitman 3 recoups project costs in under a week

WWW.GAMESINDUSTRY.BIZ

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"This puts us in a really good place"

 

 

Thanks Epic!

[stepee]

Not a lot of people playing this one eh? I’m waiting for the ray tracing patch for Hitman 3 but I’m playing Hitman 1 where I left off years ago and it really is almost a remaster of a 4 year old game, neat. I finally beat the level I left off at and yeah game is still super fun, I dunno why I stopped. 

[Amazatron]

I’m playing through Hitman 2 right now, pretty awesome to have all three games consolidated like this. The ridiculous things you can in this game makes it all worth it.

[Keyser_Soze]

51 minutes ago, stepee said:

Not a lot of people playing this one eh?

 

If the replies in this thread are any indication not a lot of people even played the FIRST game so that does put a damper on those who are playing this one. Add in the Epic year long thing and you've got a game not a lot of people are playing.

 

Personally I played the first but never played the second so I guess I would get this some time down the road and play them both.

[Brian]

I’m waiting for a Hitman 1-3 collection.