Bloodporne Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I bought The Last Door yesterday morning and ended up playing the whole thing in one sitting front to back. This was my very first Point & Click game since...Myst if that counts and I fucking loved it. I've always stayed away from games like this but I've enjoyed this so much, I can't wait to check out some classics, and otherwise great, games in this vein. Throw some suggestions with maybe a little explanation of what you like about it at me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Grim Fandango is pretty much my favorite point and click adventure game ever. Very fun story and pretty great puzzles. However, it it does admittedly contain a few moon logic puzzles. Great story, memorable characters, and there's a fairly recent remaster available. Broken Age is a pretty recent and pretty damn fun point and click adventure game by some of the same people that worked on Grim Fandango. It's a pretty recent game and a good deal of fun. How in the weeds on point and click titles do you want to get? I consider The Longest Journey one of the greatest point and click titles ever made. It does, however, have a few wildly obtuse puzzles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I'll open it up to all "old-style" adventure games. IMHO, most of them are about the quality of the writing, so the ones I have enjoyed are... Grim Fandango -- One of the most revered classics, though not technically a point-and-click, as you are moving Manny around an environment. The puzzles are not as obscure as some of the others (for the most part), and I had a lot of laughs while playing. Monkey Island Games -- I think there are 4 (plus one from Telltale). Guybrush Threepwood is a great character, as is LeChuck, and the absurdity of the situations in these games are great. However, there are some REALLY obscure puzzles (that require you to use some unexpected items in unexpected places). Maniac Mansion/Day of the Tentacle -- Friends of mine liked these two a lot more than I did. The humour didn't hit me as hard as with some others. I found some of the puzzles REALLY tough. Full Throttle -- My memory isn't as good on this one. I remember really enjoying it, and not getting stuck very often. My recollection is that it is very short. Leisure Suit Larry and pretty much any of the other Lucasarts games (i.e. Loom) are worth a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggydoo Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I'll add the following: The Indiana Jones series - Some are based off the movies and it's fun doing other things from what the character did in the movies. There was one that was not based on a movie that was also fantastic. Kentucky Route Zero - good story, kinda creepy. Reminds me I never finished it since chapters were slowly released, I need to revisit. If want something newer: Disco Elysium - does have a ton of reading, but the story and environment is fantastic Untitled Goose Game - just fun to mess with people as a goose I never played Thimbleweed Park or Unwritten Tales but my wife said they were good. I remember her saying on Unwritten Tales, some of the puzzles were difficult and she had to look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Broken Sword Series Dreamfall Series Deponia Series Any game by Amanita Design Any game by Wadjet Eye Games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Well everyone's named every point and click ever I guess! Might as well name them all now King's Quest Quest for Glory Space Quest Police Quest The Walking Dead (I guess most Telltale games would qualify) Life is Strange Kathy Rain Technobabylon I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream Gray Matter Gabriel Knight @Kal-El814 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Definitely Grim Fandango, and let me echo @Ghost_MH Some of the puzzles have very clever solutions. Too clever. So it'll make sense and make you chuckle after you use a guide for those parts. Hell, I had to refer to a guide for half of it for puzzles that were well beyond anything I could think of. It's an extremely charming game, though, and it is fun when you do figure out the other half of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Definitely Grim Fandango, and let me echo @Ghost_MH Some of the puzzles have very clever solutions. Too clever. So it'll make sense and make you chuckle after you use a guide for those parts. Hell, I had to refer to a guide for half of it for puzzles that were well beyond anything I could think of. It's an extremely charming game, though, and it is fun when you do figure out the other half of the game. Yeah, I really feel the need to stress this again; especially for anyone that's new to the genre and hasn't been neck deep in it since the 80s. Moon logic in the point and click adventure genre refers to puzzles whose solution make sense only in the mind of game developers obviously on acid and whatever shrooms they had growing in their backyards. Do NOT feel you should stay away from online guides for some of their solutions. Do yourself a favor and look up solutions to some puzzles if you feel stuck. This is especially true about older games being recommended. I consider The Longest Journey to be one of the best stories told through a game ever. That said, it has some puzzles in it made me vow I'd never buy my kids a rubber duck. If that made no sense to you, good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 Thanks for all the recommendations so far! 1. How is Broken Sword, that's one I recall by name from the Playstation era and I see there's a remaster of some sort on Steam. 2. How about Papers, Please, that looks cool? 3. I'd prefer to be eased in honestly. I absolutely refuse to use guides in games, I'd rather quit than use a guide honestly. Which one of all these are best for "beginners"? 4. Have any of you played The Last Door? As a huge fan of gothic horror, I absolutely loved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 The Broken Sword games are pretty good. They also don't suffer from tons of moon logic that others do. Papers, Please is a great game. I hadn't really thought of it as a point and click adventure game in the same vein as the others in this thread, but it's still fantastic. I have not played The Last Door, but it looks pretty good. I may pick it up for mobile. Either way, if look into more recent games. The bigger issues with moon logic are really from games released in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s. That's not always true, but the kind of crazy nonsense puzzles I'm referring to were definitely more common then. If start off with some more recent games. Kentucky Route Zero, Life is Strange, Thimbleweed Park, or Oxenfree all around like good places to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moa Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Kentucky Route Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 31 minutes ago, Bloodporne said: 2. How about Papers, Please, that looks cool? Papers Please is amazing and you should buy it right this second. It is not a point and click game, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, Bloodporne said: Thanks for all the recommendations so far! 1. How is Broken Sword, that's one I recall by name from the Playstation era and I see there's a remaster of some sort on Steam. 2. How about Papers, Please, that looks cool? 3. I'd prefer to be eased in honestly. I absolutely refuse to use guides in games, I'd rather quit than use a guide honestly. Which one of all these are best for "beginners"? 4. Have any of you played The Last Door? As a huge fan of gothic horror, I absolutely loved it. Seriously, for classic adventure games... accept you’ll probably need a guide. An awful lot of them through the early 90s were written in ways where you could have a permanent fail state unless you kept tons of saves. Waste an arrow in King’s Quest 4? Get fucked the game is unbeatable and it will not communicate this to you at all. To put @Ghost_MH’s claim about moon logic in clear terms... there’s a puzzle in Gabriel Knight 3 where you have to make yourself a fake mustache using, amongst other things, cat hair, tape, and syrup. You do this so you can wear said mustache on your face to match an ID you’ve stolen. Keep in mind that person you robbed does NOT have a mustache himself, so you also have to draw a mustache onto the ID with magic marker. All of this is only done because Gabriel needs to rent a vehicle to get to the countryside but refuses to ride a scooter that the rental place 100% has and would lend to him... Gabriel won’t allow himself to be seen on a scooter and will only use the rad motorcycle that had been reserved by the guy whose ID you stole. So if you’re not gonna use a guide, get prepared to be fucked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggydoo Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Damn that's true about Kings quest. I remember I got stuck at one part and then decided to completely start over to see if I missed an item to proceed, which I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said: Papers Please is amazing and you should buy it right this second. It is not a point and click game, however. Oh okay, it came up in suggested titles when I hit Point & Click on Steam. Looks awesome though, what IS it actually? Has anyone played World Of Horror? I think it's early access but it looks fucking cool. On another note, all this talk of moon logic and fucking yourself and fail states is kind of turning me off. I genuinely hate the idea of beating a game with the help of a guide and would rather just not play the game. I should just pick a few, post them here and see if anyone's played them and can confirm non-fuckery status or not. I am curious about these Indiana Jones games especially considering Steam has 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Start with more recent point and click games like Broken Age, or one of the remastered games like Grim Fandango or Day of the Tentacle. You won't have to worry about fucking yourself over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I really enjoyed Ben There, Dan That and Time Gentleman, Please. The first one is a love letter to LucasArts games. The second one is moves away from the tribute and creates its own humor. Some of the few games that I genuinely find to be funny. The developers just released a third in the series called Lair of the Clockwork God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Bloodporne said: Oh okay, it came up in suggested titles when I hit Point & Click on Steam. Looks awesome though, what IS it actually? Has anyone played World Of Horror? I think it's early access but it looks fucking cool. On another note, all this talk of moon logic and fucking yourself and fail states is kind of turning me off. I genuinely hate the idea of beating a game with the help of a guide and would rather just not play the game. I should just pick a few, post them here and see if anyone's played them and can confirm non-fuckery status or not. I am curious about these Indiana Jones games especially considering Steam has 'em. Just go with any of the more recent games and you'll be fine. Moon logic was more of a thing in the 80s, 90s, while dying out going into the 00s. Being stuck in a fail state in these games is only really a thing for 80s and some early 90s games. Papers, Please is a phenomenal game. You basically play a random bloke scanning passports and patting down travelers for contraband. I don't know why Steam includes it as a point and click adventure game. I mean, it is a point and click game, but not in the same way. It's just a mouse-based game. I wouldn't really include it as part of the same genre as Life is Strange or Broken Age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 8 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: Seriously, for classic adventure games... accept you’ll probably need a guide. An awful lot of them through the early 90s were written in ways where you could have a permanent fail state unless you kept tons of saves. Waste an arrow in King’s Quest 4? Get fucked the game is unbeatable and it will not communicate this to you at all. So if you’re not gonna use a guide, get prepared to be fucked. John Walker wrote a good article on this, well a humorous one anyway https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/03/16/kings-quest-vi-is-the-proof-we-need-that-all-kings-quest-games-were-awful/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 7 hours ago, Bloodporne said: Oh okay, it came up in suggested titles when I hit Point & Click on Steam. Looks awesome though, what IS it actually? You play a guy who works at the border crossing of an imaginary country Arstotzka. Your job is to look at their passports to let them into the country and you have to spot if it's a real passport or not using a guidebook in your booth and then the rules gradually keep escalating. Then there's kind of a mini story that goes on sometimes for instance a husband and wife come through the husband's passport is legit but the wife's isn't so are you going to let her through too? But the end goal is to make enough money to have your family survive and you make more money the more correct people you let through a day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: You play a guy who works at the border crossing of an imaginary country Arstotzka. Your job is to look at their passports to let them into the country and you have to spot if it's a real passport or not using a guidebook in your booth and then the rules gradually keep escalating. Then there's kind of a mini story that goes on sometimes for instance a husband and wife come through the husband's passport is legit but the wife's isn't so are you going to let her through too? But the end goal is to make enough money to have your family survive and you make more money the more correct people you let through a day. What're the actual gameplay mechanics, it totally sounds like a point & click on paper. Then again I might misinterpret the term too! Also...I finished The Last Door thinking that was it. Turns out there's a whole Season 2 the same length FUCK YEAAAAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bloodporne said: What're the actual gameplay mechanics, it totally sounds like a point & click on paper. Then again I might misinterpret the term too! Well you do point your mouse and click things, but you also drag things. But that's not what a true point and click game is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 How appropriate, you fight like a cow! (That means The Secret of Monkey Island) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaethos Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 There's a new game called Beautiful Desolation that is pretty good. It's super weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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