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[b_m_b_m_b_m]

hell yeah Joe "VAT" Manchin

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

darn shame there's nothing we can do about this

 

 

[osxmatt]

I’m no expert in budget reconciliation, but with the little reading I’ve done over the past few years, I would have been shocked to see a minimum wage increase fall under the rules of reconciliation.

[Uaarkson]

24 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

darn shame there's nothing we can do about this

 

 

Horseshit

[osxmatt]

 

[SuperSpreader]

5 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

23 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

I’m no expert in budget reconciliation, but with the little reading I’ve done over the past few years, I would have been shocked to see a minimum wage increase fall under the rules of reconciliation.

If opening up anwr to oil and gas drilling has a direct effect on the budget than $15 min wage does too.

 

Not to mention, this person can be replaced or overruled.

[CitizenVectron]

 

 

Dems should just ignore the parliamentarian, or replace them.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

you have to exercise power for Gods sake

 

Or have a plan for getting a $15/hr rider on a DoD bill (only to have it shot down because ultimately it won't go through because the democratic majority doesn't want to make it happen thanks to Manchin and Sinema)

 

[thewhyteboar]

 

[Jason]

11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

you have to exercise power for Gods sake

 

Or have a plan for getting a $15/hr rider on a DoD bill (only to have it shot down because ultimately it won't go through because the democratic majority doesn't want to make it happen thanks to Manchin and Sinema)

 

 

But they have to respect the rules even though they can make the rules.

 

 

[Jason]

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

11 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

 

Ilhan is the best.

 

[Guest]

Cowards

[CitizenVectron]

Dems are going to lose the House and Senate in 2022 and they will deserve it. America has no functioning good party.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

America has no functioning [fill in the blank]

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

make infrastructure next you cowards. Let manchin write the bill for all I care

 

 

[Littleronin]

Federal judge rules eviction moratorium is unconstitutional

WWW.CNN.COM

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A federal judge in Texas on Thursday ruled that the federal moratorium on evictions is unconstitutional, according to court documents.

Seems like a good place to put this one. 
 

[osxmatt]

2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

 

Dems should just ignore the parliamentarian, or replace them.

 

Big Republican energy here.

 

And I like it.

[Jason]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/05/08/key-senate-official-loses-job-in-dispute-with-gop/e2310021-0f14-4667-a261-54e6c033207c/

[mclumber1]

Minimum wage should be separate from the stimulus bill.  

[Littleronin]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/05/08/key-senate-official-loses-job-in-dispute-with-gop/e2310021-0f14-4667-a261-54e6c033207c/

I have always found it interesting that we have had 15 presidents and only 6 parliamentarians since the job was introduced. 

[marioandsonic]

So I'm just going to assume nothing gets passed?

[Ricofoley]

So if she has a mind to, Kamala can just say the Byrd rule is wrong, we're putting it in the bill, and dare 60 Senators to vote against it.

[SaysWho?]

7 hours ago, marioandsonic said:

So I'm just going to assume nothing gets passed?

 

Nah, the stimulus bill is getting passed.

[Anathema-]

10 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

you have to exercise power for Gods sake

 

Or have a plan for getting a $15/hr rider on a DoD bill (only to have it shot down because ultimately it won't go through because the democratic majority doesn't want to make it happen thanks to Manchin and Sinema)

 

 

This thread is actually more of an argument on holding fire rather than how the first tweet makes it sound. He's right to say that things are different now and it didn't really work out in the long run for the repubs then. 

[Jason]

12 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

Dems are going to lose the House and Senate in 2022 and they will deserve it. America has no functioning good party.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Good Christ

 

Texas judge finds national eviction ban unconstitutional

WWW.CNBC.COM

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A federal judge in Texas ruled that the national ban on evictions is unconstitutional. Advocates warn of a spike in evictions.

 

 

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

"The constitution is clear: the government cannot and is not designed to help people." - Conservatives

[Kal-El814]

1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said:

"The constitution is clear: the government cannot and is not designed to help people." - Conservatives

 

This has been the take since Reagan, at least.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

I probably agree with the judge that the mandate is unconstitutional.

 

However, I fall back on my standard response whenever I hear about the constitutionality or unconstitutionality of an issue: 

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

The US needs a Notwithstanding Clause, like Canada. It allows the government to override the constitution in extreme circumstances, provided it can demonstrate it is necessary for the good of the people.

 

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Section 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is known as the notwithstanding clause. Also known as the override clause, it is part of the Constitution of Canada. The clause allows federal, provincial or territorial governments to temporarily override, or bypass, certain Charter rights. These overrides are subject to renewal after five years. Although the clause is available to governments, its use is politically difficult and therefore rare. It is known colloquially as the “nuclear option,” because its use is considered extremely severe. Since the Constitution was patriated in 1982, the clause has been used only a handful of times by various provinces. The federal government has never invoked the clause.

 

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Section 33 of the Charter
In Canada’s constitutional system of government, the judicial branch interprets whether the government’s actions are within the rules and norms of the Constitution. If a court finds that a government has broken a constitutional rule or norm, it can force the government to change its actions. However, Section 33 of the Charter allows a government to bypass a court’s ruling. It declares: “Parliament or the legislature of a province may expressly declare in an Act of Parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be, that the Act or a provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision included in section 2 or sections 7 to 15 of this Charter.” In other words, elected governments (federal, provincial or territorial) can implement a law or action “notwithstanding” — meaning “in spite of” — a Charter right.

 

Generally in Canada it has been used by shitty conservative provincial governments to override court decisions by "liberal" judges, but the use has been fairly minor. Due to its nature as an allowed "nuclear option," it is rarely used, but is a good tool for the legislative branch (which should be the ultimate judge of law, long-term) to override the judicial on rare occasions. 

[marioandsonic]

59 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

"The constitution is clear: Fuck you, got mine." - Conservatives

 

[Guest]

Just now, CitizenVectron said:

The US needs a Notwithstanding Clause, like Canada. It allows the government to override the constitution in extreme circumstances, provided it can demonstrate it is necessary for the good of the people.

 

This exists, it is the "compelling interest" test.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

23 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

 

This exists, it is the "compelling interest" test.

Which is not actually part of the constitution, but something the judicial branch made up whole hog to allow the government to function in times and in matters of crisis