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29 minutes ago, Jose said:

Hopefully Bloomberg gets demolished in the next debate so we can all calm the fuck down.

 

That's why I'm not freaking out QUITE yet. He'll be in debates where he can be questioned, and I feel primary voters pay more attention to debates and the news. 

 

Unfortunately, he's not in the Nevada debate.

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1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

If he's the nominee I probably won't vote. He truly is the only candidate I can say that about. He's a fucking Republican, and his actions prove it. It's like asking if I'd vote for Mitt Romney/John Kasich or Trump. I simply refuse.

Isn't pretty much any vote not cast against Trump a vote for him? 

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5 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

That's why I'm not freaking out QUITE yet. He'll be in debates where he can be questioned, and I feel primary voters pay more attention to debates and the news. 

 

Unfortunately, he's not in the Nevada debate.

 

I read earlier today that he was invited by CNN to the debate. The DMC wants his ass on stage so badly.

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8 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

That's why I'm not freaking out QUITE yet. He'll be in debates where he can be questioned, and I feel primary voters pay more attention to debates and the news. 

 

Unfortunately, he's not in the Nevada debate.

The real problem is any negative coverage of him (if it even happens, as criticizing him can be perilous to a journalists career) could be drowned out with a virtually unlimited ad buy

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2 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

Were you not around during the 2016 elections?

A vote for someone is a vote for someone. No vote is no vote. Democrats aren't entitled to any and all votes that aren't Trump

 

And again, can someone actually tell me what is different between Bloomberg and Trump that isn't competence because almost all criticism of trump can be pinned on Bloomberg as well

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2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

The real problem is any negative coverage of him (if it even happens, as criticizing him can be perilous to a journalists career) could be drowned out with a virtually unlimited ad buy

 

Definitely something I've thought of. I know from what I've seen (since we have TVs running non-stop), his stop-and-frisk policies and redlining comments are getting a ton of attention.

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15 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

A vote for someone is a vote for someone. No vote is no vote. Democrats aren't entitled to any and all votes that aren't Trump

 

And again, can someone actually tell me what is different between Bloomberg and Trump that isn't competence because almost all criticism of trump can be pinned on Bloomberg as well

 

He's not an actual criminal willing to sell the country out to foreign interests and to line his own pockets. He has his money, he just didn't want to lose it to taxes.

 

Yeah, I get that that's an incredibly low bar, but I'll take drinking my own piss in the woods over nothing.

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13 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

He's not an actual criminal willing to sell the country out to foreign interests and to line his own pockets. He has his money, he just didn't want to lose it to taxes.

 

Yeah, I get that that's an incredibly low bar, but I'll take drinking my own piss in the woods over nothing.

Aside from him "not" being a criminal (depending on what crimes you're talking about, he has been credibly accused of sexual assault many times) there's zero proof he only doesn't want his taxes to go up. How much money does he have in fossil fuel interests? Private prisons? Is he invested in Saudi Aramco? What else is there that he's hiding in his massive fortune?

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10 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Aside from him "not" being a criminal (depending on what crimes you're talking about, he has been credibly accused of sexual assault many times) there's zero proof he only doesn't want his taxes to go up. How much money does he have in fossil fuel interests? Private prisons? Is he invested in Saudi Aramco? What else is there that he's hiding in his massive fortune?

 

Bloomberg was not personally accused of sexual assault. There were accusations of sexual assault happening within the company.

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19 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Aside from him "not" being a criminal (depending on what crimes you're talking about, he has been credibly accused of sexual assault many times) there's zero proof he only doesn't want his taxes to go up. How much money does he have in fossil fuel interests? Private prisons? 

 

Again, even if he was Trump without the crime, I'd take that over Trump with crimes on crimes on crimes.

 

There is zero reason to choose Trump over Bloomberg, unless you've actually liked his presidency thus far.

 

You think Republicans will just support any his policies in Congress? Their number one policy would be to regain the White House, so they're automatically going to oppose everything he wants. Who is going to help Bloomberg pass all these awful laws and give him the political cover he needs to wipe his ass with political norms?

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3 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

Again, even if he was Trump without the crime, I'd take that over Trump with crimes on crimes on crimes.

 

There is zero reason to choose Trump over Bloomberg, unless you've actually liked his presidency thus far.

 

You think Republicans will just support any his policies in Congress? Their number one policy would be to regain the White House, so they're automatically going to oppose everything he wants. Who is going to help Bloomberg pass all these awful laws and give him the political cover he needs to wipe his ass with political norms?

You can reject then both and not consent to oligarchy.

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Jose said:

 

I spy a weak spot.

Warren has a good reason to stay in the thing. She could end up being the compromise between Bernie Sanders policies and the center lane if no one gets a majority.

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45 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

You can reject then both and not consent to oligarchy.

 

 

 

What do you think not voting accomplishes?

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29 minutes ago, legend said:

 

What do you think not voting accomplishes?


A trump victory.  Republicans vote and I thought a lesson learned from 2016 is you can do much worse than an establishment shill.

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Bloomberg isn’t part of the Democratic establishment, he’s a Republican who just changed his registration two years ago. If the choice is between a republican and another republican, sorry, I’m staying home

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I really have a hard time believing a second Trump term is the same as a first Bloomberg term, even though I don’t want either.

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I don't think you have to work very hard to convince all of us around here that we don't want a Bloomberg presidency. As far as I can see we're all on board with preventing that outcome. I don't think anyone here is advocating him as a good choice or the choice most likely to win or really any positives.

 

 

However, it's also very clear that compared to Trump, he's a significantly lesser evil, and in the worst case scenario that is that head to head, I think most of us here will automatically vote Bloomberg.

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17 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

I really have a hard time believing a second Trump term is the same as a first Bloomberg term, even though I don’t want either.

It's basically a Trump vs a Romney who can tolerate gays for business reasons.

 

I'm just trying to vent and also kill the notion that "vote blue no matter who" is stupid as what happens after Trump in a new administration is just as, if not more, important.

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1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

It's basically a Trump vs a Romney who can tolerate gays for business reasons.

 

I'm just trying to vent and also kill the notion that "vote blue no matter who" is stupid as what happens after Trump in a new administration is just as, if not more, important.

 

Imagine Trump without having to worry about upsetting his base because he's not looking to be reelected. Imagine a scenario where Trump says fuck it, I'm running for a third term. Who stops that from happening when RBG is out and he wanted to put Ivanka on the SCOTUS because he's not a misogynist willing to replace a woman with the best and most capable woman in all the land? I'm exaggerating here, but also not really. He's already planting the seed that he should get a do over thanks to the whole impeachment.

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17 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Bloomberg isn’t part of the Democratic establishment, he’s a Republican who just changed his registration two years ago. If the choice is between a republican and another republican, sorry, I’m staying home

 

I'm not sure if this was directed toward me or not, but if it was that didn't answer my question. What do you see not voting accomplishing? Maybe you have a compelling reason, or maybe you have a reason that under further investigation doesn't hold. It's hard to figure out which is which though without knowing what you think the decision not to vote would gain you.

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Trump is mentally unstable. That’s the grand scheme here, he’s well beyond The Dead Zone’s Greg Stillson level of crazy. 
 

For fuck’s sake, he just retweeted a video of a mayor farting.

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5 hours ago, legend said:

 

I'm not sure if this was directed toward me or not, but if it was that didn't answer my question. What do you see not voting accomplishing? Maybe you have a compelling reason, or maybe you have a reason that under further investigation doesn't hold. It's hard to figure out which is which though without knowing what you think the decision not to vote would gain you.

I’d have a clear conscience in having not voted for an authoritarian billionaire republican. There’s no proof that any progressive policy would come from a Bloomberg presidency. None whatsoever. I’d argue he’d do more damage to progressive policies and victories than his golfing buddy Bill Clinton did. And I’d argue further he’s a more dangerous authoritarian than trump because he can, will, and has used his wealth to buy himself, and only himself, political power. 
 

the damage he is doing right now to down ballot races is already disqualifying enough, and there is zero reason to believe he would not run third party if Liz or Bernie is the nominee, as their proposals would directly impact his wealth, the source of his political power, from either increased tax enforcement of the wealthy, increased progressive taxation, or a wealth tax itself. 

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