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16 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

If you want a moderate, you have two decent candidates in Buttigieg and Klobuchar, I don’t know what Bloomberg has to offer you except baggage.  All the arguments premised on the idea that being the mayor of a city in no way makes you qualified to be president apply as much to him as to Mayo Pete.

The city Bloomberg ran is larger than several states, which has neighborhoods larger than south bend.

 

Bloomberg is, on paper, qualified enough, but is also a racist, sexist billionaire trying to purchase the presidency and offers no functional difference than Trump.

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19 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

The city Bloomberg ran is larger than several states, which has neighborhoods larger than south bend.

 

Bloomberg is, on paper, qualified enough, but is also a racist, sexist billionaire trying to purchase the presidency and offers no functional difference than Trump.

 

Ok, let's not go that far. Bloomberg only cares about protecting his wealth, not increasing it through the presidency. A Bloomberg presidency, while not ideal, would still be preferable to the guy intimating witnesses over Twitter, openly bribing New York into stopping their investigations into his businesses, and with an ego so frail he'd cause a recession over it.

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39 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

Ok, let's not go that far. Bloomberg only cares about protecting his wealth, not increasing it through the presidency. A Bloomberg presidency, while not ideal, would still be preferable to the guy intimating witnesses over Twitter, openly bribing New York into stopping their investigations into his businesses, and with an ego so frail he'd cause a recession over it.

Bloomberg is already openly bribing politicians. Trump and Bloomberg hold the same regressive views on women and minorites. They're friends. This shit is a game for them. Nevermind the personality flaws that Trump has (which is just a light that the dumb moths in the media are drawn to while the house is on fire) Bloomberg is the smarter, wealthier version of Trump that people have been rightfully fearful of.

 

In short,

 

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34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Bloomberg is already openly bribing politicians. Trump and Bloomberg hold the same regressive views on women and minorites. They're friends.

 

I don't really think they're friends. For one, anyone Trump was "friends" with is tossed aside at a moment's notices; he has temporary acquaintances and allies. And Trump was bad enough that Bloomberg actually backed Hillary and spoke at the 2016 convention, which isn't something he's done at any convention far as I know.

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Super Tuesday cannot get here soon enough so hopefully this shit sorts out... who am I kidding we are going all the way to a brokered convention. 

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3 minutes ago, elbobo said:

Super Tuesday cannot get here soon enough so hopefully this shit sorts out... who am I kidding we are going all the way to a brokered convention. 

 

the race will continue to tighten. after all reputations are on the line so this 93% bullshit can be thrown out the window and romney will win

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22 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

I don't really think they're friends. For one, anyone Trump was "friends" with is tossed aside at a moment's notices; he has temporary acquaintances and allies. And Trump was bad enough that Bloomberg actually backed Hillary and spoke at the 2016 convention, which isn't something he's done at any convention far as I know.

He literally hosted the 2004 Republican convention in NYC and had a speaking role endorsing gwb

 

Even if they aren't "friends" in the common sense, they're billionaires who share social circles, class concerns, and personal interests, like golf and the company of Jeffery Epstein.

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1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

He literally hosted the 2004 Republican convention in NYC and had a speaking role endorsing gwb

 

I muthafukin stand corrected

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1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Bloomberg is already openly bribing politicians. Trump and Bloomberg hold the same regressive views on women and minorites. They're friends. This shit is a game for them. Nevermind the personality flaws that Trump has (which is just a light that the dumb moths in the media are drawn to while the house is on fire) Bloomberg is the smarter, wealthier version of Trump that people have been rightfully fearful of.

 

In short,

 

 

And yet he's still better than Trump. Even if they were the same, he still wouldn't have a party backing every awful piece of legislation he could imagine. He'd also have more than just one Mitt Romney on the left voting to impeach him if he did even a tenth of the corrupt shit Trump regularly pulls. How are we pretending that their presidencies would be functionally identical?

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1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Bloomberg is already openly bribing politicians. Trump and Bloomberg hold the same regressive views on women and minorites. They're friends. This shit is a game for them. Nevermind the personality flaws that Trump has (which is just a light that the dumb moths in the media are drawn to while the house is on fire) Bloomberg is the smarter, wealthier version of Trump that people have been rightfully fearful of.

 

In short,

 

 

But he's my kind of authoritarian!

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If Bloomberg wins the nomination, it won’t be a choice between him and Trump for me. It will be a choice between Bloomberg and jumping off a fucking bridge.

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19 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

And yet he's still better than Trump. Even if they were the same, he still wouldn't have a party backing every awful piece of legislation he could imagine. He'd also have more than just one Mitt Romney on the left voting to impeach him if he did even a tenth of the corrupt shit Trump regularly pulls. How are we pretending that their presidencies would be functionally identical?

He'd buy them off like he's already doing. Politicians are cheap when you have his resources. How do you think he's picking up such support from black politicians despite his comments and actions on stop and frisk? Or he could personally finance challengers to his power and it wouldn't even make a dent in his wealth. He has an unfathomable amount of money to burn, and this is absolutely poisonous to democracy. it's how he bought his way into a third term as NYC mayor. This is worse than the Republicans taking cash hand over fist from corporations, as at least in theory there's more than one person's interest invested.

 

He said we can learn from Singapore on drug laws. How well is that going to work with over 25% of the country living in states where marijuana is legal? This is a complete liability, and Trump with get him from the left on this popular position.

 

He wanted to cut the number of teachers and increase class sizes. How is this any better than Republicans or Trump?

 

He sued NYC to stop a minimum wage hike from going through. Is he going to sign $15 minimum wage bill passed by the house? No matter what he says, his past actions say no he will not. How is this any different than Trump or Republicans? 

 

This is just the low hanging fruit, without even mentioning stop and frisk (which Trump has praised!)

 

The sole, absolute only good case for Bloomberg is that he may change course on some climate regulations and guns. That's it.

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Lets really get crazy with this, lets say Bloomberg somehow wins a brokered convention full of shenanigans were it definitely looks like he bought the nomination does Bernie run 3rd party?

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1 minute ago, elbobo said:

Lets really get crazy with this, lets say Bloomberg somehow wins a brokered convention full of shenanigans were it definitely looks like he bought the nomination does Bernie run 3rd party?

 

I'd be more concerned with Bloomberg despite his assurances. Read Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign. Bernie knows his influence is best when running as a Democrat, not an independent, and behind the scenes, he doesn't want to help elect Trump.

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3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

I'd be more concerned with Bloomberg despite his assurances. Read Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign. Bernie knows his influence is best when running as a Democrat, not an independent, and behind the scenes, he doesn't want to help elect Trump.

Yep. A whole fuck load of supporters of his may not be on board, especially younger voters, who may just stay at home, and I wouldn't blame them. It'd be a confirmation of oligarchy. I'm not certain I would vote given these choices (not hyperbole)

 

Say what you will about Hillary Clinton, but she had some very committed, enthusiastic supporters. The Bloomberg people are there for a check. 

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42 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

He'd buy them off like he's already doing. Politicians are cheap when you have his resources. How do you think he's picking up such support from black politicians despite his comments and actions on stop and frisk? Or he could personally finance challengers to his power and it wouldn't even make a dent in his wealth. He has an unfathomable amount of money to burn, and this is absolutely poisonous to democracy. it's how he bought his way into a third term as NYC mayor. This is worse than the Republicans taking cash hand over fist from corporations, as at least in theory there's more than one person's interest invested.

 

He said we can learn from Singapore on drug laws. How well is that going to work with over 25% of the country living in states where marijuana is legal? This is a complete liability, and Trump with get him from the left on this popular position.

 

He wanted to cut the number of teachers and increase class sizes. How is this any better than Republicans or Trump?

 

He sued NYC to stop a minimum wage hike from going through. Is he going to sign $15 minimum wage bill passed by the house? No matter what he says, his past actions say no he will not. How is this any different than Trump or Republicans? 

 

This is just the low hanging fruit, without even mentioning stop and frisk (which Trump has praised!)

 

The sole, absolute only good case for Bloomberg is that he may change course on some climate regulations and guns. That's it.

 

Nobody is arguing he's good here. I'll be very happy when he's not in the running anymore. Everything you just said, though, calls him better than Trump. I know that's an incredibly low bar, but let's be objective here. A Bloomberg presidency is better than what we've got going now. If he were to become the nominee, would you vote for Trump? Even if Bloomberg tried to enact every last policy and legislation Trump has but didn't go around committing crimes left and right, that would still be an improvement over Trump. A pathetic improvement that proves we as Americans deserve what we get, but still an improvement. I'd even take the bland dollop of mayo over Bloomberg, but I'll take anything over Trump and arguing that they're the same oversimplifies the politics of this nation.

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If he's the nominee I probably won't vote. He truly is the only candidate I can say that about. He's a fucking Republican, and his actions prove it. It's like asking if I'd vote for Mitt Romney/John Kasich or Trump. I simply refuse.

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Comparing Bloomberg to Trump is absolutely preposterous. If he can enact even some progressive change by just bribing opposition, that's still far better than what we have now.

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Selling out to our* oligarch is ok I guess. Who fucking needs democracy. We just need benevolent plutocrat kings.

 

Also there is absolutely no evidence he would promote a progressive agenda. None whatsoever

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Bloomberg securing the Democratic nomination would represent the final triumph of oligarchism in the American political system.

 

There will be no going back at that point.

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Of course I would vote for Bloomberg over Trump. I’d also drink my own piss if I was stranded in the woods. That doesn’t mean drinking my piss would be pleasant!

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6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

There is 0 confidence that he would. 

 

He has also donated to Planned Parenthood. There is every confidence he would.

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He is still much more likely to appoint a decent judge to the supreme court to replace RBG should that come up, so he would get my vote as horrible as that would feel to do even for the chance since we know for sure we are fucked with Trump there.

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In summation: let’s not drink piss in the woods and just nominate Bernie instead. 

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https://www.exposedbycmd.org/2020/02/14/democratic-presidential-candidate-michael-bloomberg-gop-bankroller/

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Bloomberg’s Independence USA super PAC, which he funds exclusively, spent nearly $10.1 million supporting Republican federal candidates from 2012-16. The majority of that, $5.9 million, helped Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) win re-election in 2016 against Democrat Katie McGinty, an environmental policy expert and another Emily’s List endorsee. In 2014, the super PAC boosted Republican House candidates Bob Dold (IL; $1.9 million) and Michael Fitzpatrick (PA; $174,000). Two years earlier, Independence USA had spent $1.7 million backing Connecticut House candidate Andrew Rorabach, as well as $963,000 supporting Dold.

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The former mayor has devoted still more money to outside spending groups that have backed GOP state candidates; most notably, Independence USA spent $2.3 million on ads backing then-GOP Gov. Rick Snyder of Michigan in his successful re-election bid–months after the Flint water crisis began. Bloomberg also held a fundraiser for Snyder at his home in New York.

After Snyder’s win, Bloomberg said Snyder was “an extremely competent guy who took on the unions to get Detroit and Michigan going in the right direction. And he was re-elected despite being attacked by the unions.” Snyder had signed anti-union “Right to Work” legislation in late 2012. The New York City mayor also praised Snyder’s expansion of public charter schools.

If I didn't know better I'd say this was the Koch brothers. He'd sell out abortion rights in a heartbeat, there's not a doubt about that.

 

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Meanwhile, his giant staffing expenditures are reportedly hurting other Democratic candidates. As The Intercept reports, Bloomberg has hired so many staffers, typically with generous salaries, benefits, and perks, that state and local campaigns are having trouble finding the talent they need.

Wow this won't backfire on any way. Surely we must reward this behavior all to rid the country of Trump (who is a symptom, remember, not the cause of many of our problems as a country)

 

There is 0 evidence that he cares about anything other than the power and prestige of Mike Bloomberg. He's an amoral billionaire, only interested in self. His nomination would render moot any character criticism of trump. But hey, he's our oligarch, right now, so we should be ok with it if he buys this election because somehow Trump is worse (if only because he's the dumb, boorish version of what Bloomberg would be)

 

He doesn't give a single fuck about progressive values, and is openly hostile to all of them but gun control.

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Bloomberg is by far my least favorite candidate, but saying there'd be no difference between him and Trump is insane. Even if he shares some of what makes Trump so reprehensible, Trump is still a special case; uniquely unqualified, corrupt, and incompetent.

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7 minutes ago, Jose said:

Hopefully Bloomberg gets demolished in the next debate so we can all calm the fuck down.

didn't he qualify for the past one after they changed the rules?  I wouldn't be surprised if he avoids the debates.  It's probably a bigger risk/gamble getting on that stage than just continuing to throw out money.

 

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9 minutes ago, TwinIon said:

Bloomberg is by far my least favorite candidate, but saying there'd be no difference between him and Trump is insane. Even if he shares some of what makes Trump so reprehensible, Trump is still a special case; uniquely unqualified, corrupt, and incompetent.

That's why Bloomberg is so scary. He nominally qualified, still corrupt, but competent. And he gets to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, a Democrat in name but a Republican in action. And he still an amoral billionaire.

 

He's lawful evil where Trump is chaotic evil. Still evil.

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Again, the Imbecile was a further step on the road to oligarchism, but at least with Elizabeth, Amy, Joe, and even the Mayoist, the opportunity exists to at least hold in place.

 

Bloomberg represents an Usain Bolt sprint down that road.

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