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With all the talk about media not talking about minorities when it comes to the other candidates, CNN is currently talking about Sanders' appeal with many Hispanic Democrats and his higher percentages among black Democrats.

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2 minutes ago, Brick said:

So as a Canadian that doesn't understand these caucus things, what are they exactly, can someone explain them to me? Is it just a way for people to vote for who they want as the Democratic nominee? What happens if the candidate you voted for drops out midway through, are those all just wasted votes? What if you don't want to vote Democrat in November, and you plan to vote Republican, couldn't you vote for the Democrat you think the Republican will have the easiest time winning? 

A bunch of jackasses stand in different corners of rooms instead of voting. If your candidate doesn't have enough support you can stand in a different corner or go home. It's like ranked choice voting but everyone knows who you voted for

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3 minutes ago, Brick said:

So as a Canadian that doesn't understand these caucus things, what are they exactly, can someone explain them to me? Is it just a way for people to vote for who they want as the Democratic nominee? What happens if the candidate you voted for drops out midway through, are those all just wasted votes? What if you don't want to vote Democrat in November, and you plan to vote Republican, couldn't you vote for the Democrat you think the Republican will have the easiest time winning? 

 

The answer to all parts of this question is: it's complicated.

 

First of all, there are only a few states that hold caucuses. A caucus refers specifically to how Iowa held its vote, where it's not just one-person, one-vote---you have to stand around in a high school gym with some other people who support your candidate and try and get a big enough group to get above a certain threshold of support. After the debacle with Iowa this year, caucuses are very likely going away, and most other states were already not doing them anyway. The whole nation-wide process of picking a candidate, which is more what you're asking about, is just referred to as the primary election.

 

Basically, every state is going to hold their own vote, and based on who gets the most votes in each state and the population of that state they get assigned a certain number of delegates. If somebody wins an outright majority of delegates--that's it. They win and they're gonna face Trump in November. If nobody gets a majority, then when the Democratic party holds its convention over the summer, delegates would vote how every many rounds it took to try and consolidate behind a single candidate who can get a majority. This is almost unheard of nowadays, but many believe it's possible this year with a crowded field and Bloomberg spending literally a billion dollars to catch up after outright skipping the first four states.

 

As far as Republicans voting for in a Democratic primary just to fuck with the results, it depends on the state. Every state has its own rules. Some states have "open" primaries, meaning you can just show up and ask for whatever ballot you want, other states are "closed," meaning you have to register with a party ahead of time. There have been some stories floating around about Trump supporters trying to organize to vote for Sanders in primaries on the assumption that it would fracture the party. I have no idea if this is actually going to happen in meaningful numbers or not. It seems like a story like that comes out in every election.

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16 minutes ago, Brick said:

So as a Canadian that doesn't understand these caucus things, what are they exactly, can someone explain them to me? Is it just a way for people to vote for who they want as the Democratic nominee? What happens if the candidate you voted for drops out midway through, are those all just wasted votes? What if you don't want to vote Democrat in November, and you plan to vote Republican, couldn't you vote for the Democrat you think the Republican will have the easiest time winning? 

 

Caucus and a Primary are different things, just a different voting method. 

 

To get the nomination you need 1991 delegates to vote for you at the DNC Convention. The DNC gives each state a set number of delegates based on population and other factors. Each state then holds a caucus or a primary to distribute the delegates to the candidate, Democrats divide up delegates proportionally. Each state also has their own rules for if independents and other party members can vote in the party primary. If your candidate drops out, they keep their delegates going into the convention. The nomination process has nothing to do with the general in November beyond picking the nomination.  

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41 minutes ago, Brick said:

So as a Canadian that doesn't understand these caucus things, what are they exactly, can someone explain them to me? Is it just a way for people to vote for who they want as the Democratic nominee? What happens if the candidate you voted for drops out midway through, are those all just wasted votes? What if you don't want to vote Democrat in November, and you plan to vote Republican, couldn't you vote for the Democrat you think the Republican will have the easiest time winning? 

 

 

or a more serious explanation

 

 

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3 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

 

“White people are being punished for being successful!!!” 

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7 hours ago, thewhyteboar said:

 

In all honesty, if Sanders were to win, his biggest problem, and the problem for progressives, is that it’s EXTREMELY likely that a recession happens on his watch. (same goes for anyone else who holds the White House)

 

He’ll have to find a way to convince people that it has nothing to do with his policies, or he could easily put progressivism out of vogue for a generation.  Not an easy task, even if he were to be correct.

 

I think I’d still take it over the completely unchained version of Trump we’ll get if he prevails in the election, though...

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7 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

In all honesty, if Sanders were to win, his biggest problem, and the problem for progressives, is that it’s EXTREMELY likely that a recession happens on his watch. (same goes for anyone else who holds the White House)

 

He’ll have to find a way to convince people that it has nothing to do with his policies, or he could easily put progressivism out of vogue for a generation.  Not an easy task, even if he were to be correct.

 

I think I’d still take it over the completely unchained version of Trump we’ll get if he prevails in the election, though...

 

I've actually thought of this same thing, though for any Democrat. On the other hand, I feel if they don't win the presidency, they're not taking over governors' mansions and state legislatures across the country, which is imperative with the census and the states' roles in this. And that'll be really important for all of the 2020s.

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1 minute ago, SaysWho? said:

 

I've actually thought of this same thing, though for any Democrat. On the other hand, I feel if they don't win the presidency, they're not taking over governors' mansions and state legislatures across the country, which is imperative with the census and the states' roles in this.

...not to mention RBG might not make it four more years.

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So what did we get out of last night, Warren is done right, Biden is done if he straight up doesn't win SC. Is it really going to be Bernie vs Pete for the nomination?

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13 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

...not to mention RBG might not make it four more years.

 

Yeah, there are long-term consequences for not winning in 2020. It's definitely not as bad because much work was done on the state level throughout the country from 2017 - 2019. Considering the recessions/skyrocketing debt in the Reagan and Bush years that were tied to trickle-down economics, and considering how it still is a winnable platform, I'd rather having to explain that the economy is currently contracting and will anyway in 2021/2022 than hope a better progressive runs in 2024, shift the SCOTUS dramatically, and get gerrymandered in more states while we're still fighting Republican anti-voting efforts in the courts.

 

4 minutes ago, elbobo said:

So what did we get out of last night, Warren is done right, Biden is done if he straight up doesn't win SC. Is it really going to be Bernie vs Pete for the nomination?

 

We really don't know how Butti/Klobuchar/Bloomberg shake up, nor what change in strategy Steyer is going to have, so who knows.

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2 minutes ago, elbobo said:

I just don't see Democrat primary voters flocking to an uber-billionaire in this election 

Just wait until his advertising campaign targets Sanders hard 

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5 minutes ago, Comet said:

Just wait until his advertising campaign targets Sanders hard 

 

Easy target though.  I can't wait for the attack ads.  They will be effective with the electorate.

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I feel like people are overestimating Bloomberg.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/bloombergisracist-trends-second-resurfaced-clip-shows-dem-candidate-saying-we-disproportionately-1486722


"They just keep saying it's a disproportionate percentage of a particular ethnic group. That may be, but it's not a disproportionate percentage of those who witnesses and victims describe as committing the murder," the wealthy businessman, with an estimated net worth of $60 billion, said in a 2013 interview with WOR. "In that case incidentally, I think we disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little."

 

Bloomberg is enjoying a honeymoon period, he's going to crash & burn harder than Biden. 

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1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

He’ll have to find a way to convince people that it has nothing to do with his policies, or he could easily put progressivism out of vogue for a generation.

Yeah, no. The material needs of this generation, and upcoming generations, aren't going away. Health care isn't getting cheaper, student debt isn't going anywhere, housing/transportation costs keep rising, and climate change is only getting worse. We're also looking at an incoming generation that is very diverse and won't be able to forget that the "other side" is chock full of white supremacists and plutocrats. And the answers to these issues from the right is either indifference, hostility, or straight up fascism. These Trump years will not be forgotten.

 

Bernie is the beginning of the project, not the end

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28 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

Easy target though.  I can't wait for the attack ads.  They will be effective with the electorate.

 

People are still underestimating Sanders, eh?

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A Sanders vs Bloomberg finale is an anti-Semite's dream come true: a globalist Jewish financier versus a godless Jewish socialist.

 

Steve Bannon would be shooting massive amounts of rope at the very thought.

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1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Since 2015, Bernie has been written off as "unelectable" because he didn't have minority support yet they sure as hell don't say the same for Pete or Amy.  They definitely mention their polling with minority support being low but it's not a "campaign-ending"/"unelectable" narrative that they've pushed on Sanders these last few years.

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