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On 8/10/2021 at 12:37 PM, Keyser_Soze said:
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‘Ma’am, your kid does not need a Covid shot. Your kid needs a f***in’ treadmill,’ former Team USA Paintball player Jessica Maiolo appears to say in video

 

While this trash human being is getting everything they deserve, America really does need to tackle obesity. The whole "healthy at any size" movement is nonsense. If you're obese, you aren't healthy, and are at far more at risk of dying from covid, pneumonia, and other illnesses. Yes, i know this story is not about that, but if the kid is obese, there is truth in her hateful words. Again, that doesn't make those words ok, but letting kids be obese is the height of irresponsibility.

 

Im in no way saying they should be shamed, but the government and medical professionals really needs to make it publicly clear that obese people aren't healthy, and will also become a burden on the Healthcare system if they don't act to lose weight. The nonsense "im as healthy as anyone" stuff I see from obese people is dangerous.

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With the number of new cases doubling every 10 days, Dr. Peter Juni, scientific director of Ontario’s science table, warns the province could see as m...

 

 

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[T]he probability of unvaccinated people across all age groups to experience infection in the next 6-12 months is 80 to 90 per cent.

 

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On 8/9/2021 at 1:01 PM, Chairslinger said:

 

 

The red state die off that conservatives are now attempting to blame anyone but themselves on was the most predictable thing in the world as we watched the vaccination rates come in earlier this year.

 

In a month or two, I suspect that devastating Covid numbers from school outbreaks will be the next totally predictable thing that conservatives will try to blame everyone but themselves on.

 

There are some really worrisome factors lining up. We haven't really tried to open schools in the Covid era, so this is all uncharted territory. Delta and whatever coming next being more communicable and possibly more severe for kids. Kids under 12 can't get vaccinated.

 

And on top of that, you have red states playing political games to see who can out stupid one another.

 

It's been days since I read about that Texas rule saying schools don't have to inform parents when there is a positive case in their child's class and I am still stunned whenever I think about it.

 

How that can be allowed is staggering. We have become numb to this type of thing after 4 years of Trump but if that type of willful negligence is not breaking some kind of law, than the law and system as a whole has failed. 

 

Probably a dumb question w/ an obvious answer, but is there a reason why schools across the board aren't doing everything remotely via skype and discord or something?

 

EDIT: for anyone who can, ie not making it mandadory for every student

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12 minutes ago, heydude93 said:

 

Probably a dumb question w/ an obvious answer, but is there a reason why schools across the board aren't doing everything remotely via skype and discord or something?

 

 

 

The market demands blood sacrifices. Kids need to be in school so parents can go to work.

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22 minutes ago, Zaku3 said:

 

The market demands blood sacrifices. Kids need to be in school so parents can go to work.

 

With younger kids it makes sense if there aren't friends or relatives they can be left with, though tbf I'm a cruel bastard who thinks if you're unable to afford a babysitter you probably shouldn't have any. And a requirement in place that anyone who can go to class remotely, should, seems like it would be preferable to what exists now.

 

Also this scenario is a pretty good reason among many for why UBI - even if only during the pandemic - should've been a thing by now. Blood sacrifices for the market doesn't even seem like an exaggerated description at this point.

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21 minutes ago, heydude93 said:

 

With younger kids it makes sense if there aren't friends or relatives they can be left with, though tbf I'm a cruel bastard who thinks if you're unable to afford a babysitter you probably shouldn't have any. And a requirement in place that anyone who can go to class remotely, should, seems like it would be preferable to what exists now.

 

Also this scenario is a pretty good reason among many for why UBI - even if only during the pandemic - should've been a thing by now. Blood sacrifices for the market doesn't even seem like an exaggerated description at this point.

Cost isn't the only issue with childcare. Reliable, quality childcare is just in short supply period, and can really only be had in an institutional setting

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21 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Cost isn't the only issue with childcare. Reliable, quality childcare is just in short supply period, and can really only be had in an institutional setting

 

Hmmm, are websites like sittercity.com and care.com (which have built-in feedback systems) not viable enough right now? I mean compared to putting your kids at risk of getting an even more dangerous form of long covid, hiring a caretaker or leaving them w/ someone you know seems like a safer bet for anyone who can do it. But yea, with how things function socioeconomically right now and how the pandemic is being handled, for many it's definitely a tough situation with no easy solutions.

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2 hours ago, heydude93 said:

 

Hmmm, are websites like sittercity.com and care.com (which have built-in feedback systems) not viable enough right now? I mean compared to putting your kids at risk of getting an even more dangerous form of long covid, hiring a caretaker or leaving them w/ someone you know seems like a safer bet for anyone who can do it. But yea, with how things function socioeconomically right now and how the pandemic is being handled, for many it's definitely a tough situation with no easy solutions.

They never will be. I never have to worry and scramble to find care at 6:45 because the sitter I've been using called in sick or hungover. I drop the kid off with a multitude of highly qualified caretakers whose pay and benefits I also don't need to worry about doing correctly or not. Not to mention I was only paying $1370 a month for 40 hrs/week of care by adults with bachelor's degrees in art, music, and early childhood education (the degrees of the teachers in my daughter's daycare class). Can't do that alone while paying the sitter a decent wage which they are entitled to. Sure you can split the cost with others if you know people with similarly aged kids, but then you're back to congregation of children and you need to register with the state here in VA, subject to inspection and licensing, etc. 

 

Anyway, back to "why" and it's pretty straightforward: one, kids are far, far less likely to die or get seriously sick from covid compared to adults; two, they need the education and social interaction and online just doesn't cut it especially for younger kids (and high school aged kids aren't a whole lot better based on my wife's experience as a high school teacher last year fully remote); three, with masks, filtration, fresh air, community vaccination,  testing, and distancing you can safely open up a school. 

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I mean I think it's still complicated by the fact that several young people are getting really sick from long covid and we still don't have a complete picture of how bad it will be, and the disease is only continuing to mutate and grow deadlier.  Socialization during formative years is important though, no doubt.  I wouldn't think of remote schooling as a new normal so much as one of many strategies to prevent spread/infection during and before predicted surges. If only it was that easy. It probably won't be, given how much of the general public is behaving and how some of the powers that be keep reacting to the pandemic and obstructing things like mask mandates, financial aid and plenty of other things that happen when a deadly outbreak happens in a country that's too stupid and careless to react to it responsibly.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, heydude93 said:

 

Hmmm, are websites like sittercity.com and care.com (which have built-in feedback systems) not viable enough right now? I mean compared to putting your kids at risk of getting an even more dangerous form of long covid, hiring a caretaker or leaving them w/ someone you know seems like a safer bet for anyone who can do it. But yea, with how things function socioeconomically right now and how the pandemic is being handled, for many it's definitely a tough situation with no easy solutions.

 

Not even close. There also aren't anywhere close to enough qualified babysitters available for the hours you'd need to cover here. At these hours, you're really looking for a full time nanny and not everyone can afford that. We had one before COVID and we paid her literally half of my wife's paycheck. I've been working from home since then so there wasn't any need, not that I could afford it either. My wife and I are almost back to working the same number of hours we were before COVID, but our old nanny is obviously not available anymore. Luckily, nobody is trying to force me back into the office.

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3 hours ago, heydude93 said:
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Don’t worry, though, he’s still banning mask mandates and other measures that could actually stop the virus.

 

 

"I have too much debt. Biden, please send me money."

 

"You got it champ. But first, let's make you a budget."

 

"No, I have passed a law banning accounting in Texas."

 

"Alright. Let's cut up that credit card, then."

 

"We have outlawed cash. Only credit cards and payday loans can be used as payment in Texas."

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

Not even close. There also aren't anywhere close to enough qualified babysitters available for the hours you'd need to cover here. At these hours, you're really looking for a full time nanny and not everyone can afford that. We had one before COVID and we paid her literally half of my wife's paycheck. I've been working from home since then so there wasn't any need, not that I could afford it either. My wife and I are almost back to working the same number of hours we were before COVID, but our old nanny is obviously not available anymore. Luckily, nobody is trying to force me back into the office.

 

Yeah, it's rough. Gosh, I'm glad I don't have kids, especially in times like this. I strongly doubt I'd have the management skills to take that challenge on well enough. 

 

Question: to what extent do ya think more financial assistance/bidencare would be helpful with your situation (IF it was a possibility. there are clearly hurdles to that happening)? And how economically feasible do you think it would it be, depending on how long it needed to last (as with many other things I'm  kinda dumb when it comes to the knowing about economic side of politics)?

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2 hours ago, heydude93 said:

 

Yeah, it's rough. Gosh, I'm glad I don't have kids, especially in times like this. I strongly doubt I'd have the management skills to take that challenge on well enough. 

 

Question: to what extent do ya think more financial assistance/bidencare would be helpful with your situation (IF it was a possibility. there are clearly hurdles to that happening)? And how economically feasible do you think it would it be, depending on how long it needed to last (as with many other things I'm can be kinda dumb when it comes to the knowing about economic side of politics)?

 

In an ideal world, everyone would get six months of full parental leave and then daycare and preschool would be fully covered for every child six months and up at accredited institutions up to a certain amount. Also, childcare providers and preschool teachers should make a lot more than they do. It's just putting money into the economy at that point. Nothing is put into the economy when you have one parent stay at home, taking care of their kids for free. I'd say it should be a straight cash payout. If a mom or dad wants to pocket the money and stay at home with their kid/s good for them. If another wants to spend that money on childcare because they can make more working, they should be able to. If another wants to spend it on paying their retired parent to watch the kids while they go to school, they would be able to.

 

There is literally no such thing as throwing money away here because even my local, legal weed dispensary is part of the economy and collecting taxes.

 

These payments should last until the the kids are teens and should be able to care for themselves after school, all year round. The fun part here is that school only runs to like 2:30 in my city, so what do you do with a six year old that's done with class when their parent works a 9-5? What do parents normally do with their kids during summer vacation? In my city, summer school only runs through July, leaving the entire month of August completely up in the air. My siblings left them with my parents, but since my father died a couple years back, my mother isn't really able to watch a bunch of kids for 9 hours a day. Again, yay for working from home due to COVID. I literally have zero idea what we would have done were I not home all day long.

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6 minutes ago, Brick said:

I keep hearing people talk about peer reviewed studies showing that masks actually don't work, and are pointless, yet I've not seen these said studies. 

Because "they" are hiding them. 

They is big pharma illuminati kabal JFK killing free masons. 

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11 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

At least you're heading to a reasonable place. All of New England is like 65% fully vaccinated.

 

I'm looking at doing something in Vermont at the start of November. We'll see if Delta winds up forcing it cancelled again for this year and I'm not sure how I'll feel about an inherently indoor event at that point but LAX->Boston->Vermont at least seems okay in terms of vax rates.

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Just in case anyone sees that fear-mongering Twitter thread from Eric Topol:

 

 

Not only is the data he presents not controlled for time after vaccination, it also uses mixed measurements. Some data is for proof against infect (including infection with no symptoms and no ability to spread), other for minor infection (sniffles), other for infection with normal symptoms.

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