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1 hour ago, Joestradamus said:

Did I miss something... one of my trump supporting family members is sharing a post that states Biden says it's okay to take hydroxychloroquine and how dems are hypocrites for saying it was bad when trump said we should take it. Did this really happen and I missed it, or is my aunt a fucking moron?!

 

I think maybe they're talking about this:

 

WWW.HACKENSACKMERIDIANHEALTH.ORG

Paper published in BMC Infectious Diseases documents association between hydroxychloroquine exposure and reduced hospitalization rates in mildly symptomatic outpatients with COVID-19 Researchers from Hackensack Meridian Health John Theurer Cancer Center (JTCC),

 

But that is still a far cry from Biden saying it's ok to take it. He didn't. 

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1 hour ago, Joestradamus said:

Did I miss something... one of my trump supporting family members is sharing a post that states Biden says it's okay to take hydroxychloroquine and how dems are hypocrites for saying it was bad when trump said we should take it. Did this really happen and I missed it, or is my aunt a fucking moron?!

Lol, are you really thinking they aren't just making it all up in their collective minds.

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2 hours ago, Air_Delivery said:

Trump's no plan ending up being better than Canada has to be pretty embarrassing. 

 

Easy to wing it when you have a massive industrial base and the world's most powerful economy (and also order your manufacturers to not supply to anyone else) :p

 

Canada's main strategy (for existence) is to rely on our giant allies (US and EU) for things that we can't reliably (or economically) do on our own. Specialization of labour, if you will. It has generally worked out quite well for our history, but has only recently become an issue when the US goes batshit insane.

 

Having said that, while Canada is currently 30th, I've read that we are higher on the list in actually having the vaccines (I believe 5-7 spots higher), but one province in particular has bungled the rollout so our administered doses aren't as high (Ontario, obviously). And, having said that, most of the countries we are in the middle of are all quite close to us. So yes, we're 25th-30th...but when 15 of those countries are basically tied, it's not that big of a difference. It's like finishing 10th in the Olympics but being within .5 seconds of the next top 7. Yeah, it sucks not to win, but it's not like it's going poorly.

 

Also, AZ will be approved in the next two weeks, opening up a third option, and J&J shortly after that. I'm not too concerned with the long-term rollout, we should still be done by fall, along with most of Europe. UK will beat us, and likely the US by 1-2 months (and Israel will beat everyone). There was a sensationalistic article (that was being spread around by conservatives) that said Canada would still be majority-unvaccinated by mid-2022...and one of the main arguments why is that Canada is "vast," making administration more difficult. Yeah...because we transport all the vaccines from a single warehouse in Etobicoke out by dogsled. lol.

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Yeah, Provinces and Ontario are more to blame atm for the state of outbreaks and vaccination rates atm. Where I would blame JT and the federal government over is not doing the new travel restrictions months ago. I personally would have also like for them to take the reigns again away from the provinces for managing covid because they've proven to be failures at it. Fuck could you imagine how much freaking worse it would be with thee CPC in charge. Again just look at the state of ontario under the OPC. -.-

 

Man Ontario, while not as bad as many places in the US, is so fucked up because it learned nothing about LTC homes in the first wave, continues to be stupidly slow with their vaccine rollout and decided to wait till the day after christmas to lock us down when it should have been before. :|

-edit-

 

Oh look. the SA variant has now been found in Ontario.

:facepalm:

 

 

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9 hours ago, sblfilms said:

One of the things that I read as more vaccine options become available people may get choosy about which one they get, but one doctor said the most key takeaway from every vaccine hitting the market thus far is it eradicates death. You get vaccinated, your loved one gets vaccinated, you or them will not die from this. Even hospitalization numbers fall off the face of the earth with all of them. The main difference is in the ratios of not getting vs getting it with very mild symptoms, with even the worst ones being among the top tier of normal vaccine efficacy. The news of vaccines and vaccinations themselves is rapidly improving and there is cause for great optimism.

 

I don't even know how I would go about choosing which vaccine to get if I was choosy. If I was adamant about getting the Pfizer vaccine, but my doctor's office was using the J&J vaccine I don't know how I would check that, and then check out which pharmacies are using the Pfizer vaccine. I mean, if Canada could even get the Pfizer vaccine that is... 

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20 hours ago, Jason said:

 

My mom managed to get appointments for her, my dad, my brother, and my brother's live-in caretaker but it took 2 hours waiting on the phone today plus constant attempts to find appointments the last couple of weeks. You probably shouldn't need to have that kind of time available just to get vaccinated.

 

My mom sounded nervous about whether everyone's appointments will actually happen but hopefully that's just from how much time it's taken to get vaccinated. Don't love that it sounds like there's no drive-up vaccination sites like in California though, I'm happy they're getting it but also kind of nervous about having to spend time indoors with a bunch of other people to get it. Since my brother can't wear a mask (as in, he'd rip it right back off) hopefully they can convince the employees to come do it outside for all four of them.

 

[edit] Apparently incoming snow has already cancelled Monday appointments, the ones my mom got are Wednesday so hopefully those hold. Did call her and suggest trying to get them to bring out the other three doses if they're willing to bring out my brother's since they'll have to come outside either way at that point.

 

Well fuck, snow is continuing through tomorrow afternoon it sounds like, doesn't sound awesome for Wednesday going according to plan. 

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In March of last year, the UK recognized, they had almost no vaccine manufacturing capability, and they began an aggressive strategy of building domestic capacity.

The Oxford developed vaccine was licensed to AstraZeneca on condition they sold it for cost, and they focused on global distribution.  So far, 13 countries have licensed it for domestic production -- Canada is not one of them.

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We started from nothing, and we're now pretty pleased that we're in pretty good shape.  Lots of other countries decided that they would rely on others and that perhaps has not proved to be the right strategy. 

 

 

'We had to go it alone': how the UK got ahead in the Covid vaccine race

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When it became clear the China coronavirus outbreak might lead to a global pandemic, Oxford University’s life scientists convened a crisis meeting. It took place on Thursday 30 January last year, and if the rest of the world hadn’t yet realised the potential consequences of what was unfolding in Wuhan, they had.

Around the table in the Nuffield Department of Medicine were experts from in and around the university, gathered for a moment they had feared would one day come.

It was there that Prof Sarah Gilbert, a vaccine researcher, told her colleagues something remarkable; she had devised a likely vaccine, repurposing technology used by her team to develop vaccines against Ebola and Mers.

But she also said she badly needed to take the next step.

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The Oxford scientists began meeting weekly, and by late March, Oxford scientists realised they needed a pharmaceutical giant to manufacture the vast quantities of vaccine required. The initial choice of partner was the US company Merck.

However, the prospective deal collapsed. The UK was desperate to secure enough supply for its own citizens – and at the time, ministers including the health secretary, Matt Hancock, were concerned. Not about the EU – but about the behaviour of the then-US president, Donald Trump.

“We were worried about vaccine nationalism – but the person we feared was Trump, that he would be able to pressurise a US company, and perhaps buy up the drug stocks,” said a former adviser at the Department of Health. “We never expected there would be a row with the EU.”

The British government wanted written guarantees of supply from Merck, but the company was only prepared to give verbal one , the adviser said. The deal fell through.

Enter the Anglo-Swedish firm, AstraZeneca, whose French chief executive, Pascal Soriot, was a trusted figure in political circles.

At the time, AstraZeneca was not considered a vaccine specialist, but Soriot was prepared to give written undertakings the UK wanted, and was prepared to sell the vaccine at no profit during the pandemic, at $2-5 a dose globally, which was what Oxford’s scientists wanted to hear.

AstraZeneca was signed as Oxford’s partner on 30 April and signed a deal to supply 100m doses to the UK a fortnight later. Ministers were prepared to pay a few hundred million upfront, allowing the company to build its first virus manufacturing process, and the UK government to demand its citizens be vaccinated first.

“That underpinned all of it,” an industry insider said.

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British officials were not convinced. “We had to go it alone,” said a UK source. “There was nothing there for us.” By the time a special UK vaccine taskforce was created in April, the seeds of a successful strategy had been sown.

Run from May by the venture capitalist Kate Bingham, a no-nonsense operator, it directed government money up and down the vaccine supply chain, and helped ensure that two other vaccine candidates were manufactured in the UK – an interventionist policy not seen since before the days of Margaret Thatcher.

 

 

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tier 1B or whatever in california. still no idea when i’m getting the vaccine. woooooooo

 

edit- but my job is providing us with an at home covid test that we can mail in every 8 weeks so yay us 

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8 hours ago, johnny said:

tier 1B or whatever in california. still no idea when i’m getting the vaccine. woooooooo

 

edit- but my job is providing us with an at home covid test that we can mail in every 8 weeks so yay us 

 

I love Newsom announcing that there will be massive changes to the prioritization last Monday and that he'd give details the following day, then there was no further details and a week later still nothing.

 

And every 8 weeks seems...insufficient?

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Meanwhile LA City is still wasting time trying to bribe these firefighters into taking their shots instead of just releasing the doses to people who actually want them:

 

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Just 55% of the Los Angeles firefighting force has received the COVID-19 vaccine, a lower number than originally announced, fire officials said.

 

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Just now, CitizenVectron said:

Not questioning it entirely, but is this data from Russia itself, or an outside observer? 

Data was published in The Lancet, but appears to have been gathered in Moscow, and paid for by the Russian federation.

 

It uses similar technology as the AZ/Oxford vaccine, but the second dose uses a slightly different adenovirus so it is theorized that is why it gives a more robust immune response than the AZ vaccine.

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