~*Official #COVID-19 Thread of Doom*~ Revenge of Omicron Prime

[Joe]

Also, if Novavax and J&J come through as we hope they will, we will surely have more than enough vaccines to share with our Canadian homies.

[marioandsonic]

1 minute ago, Joe said:

Also, if Novavax and J&J come through as we hope they will, we will surely have more than enough vaccines to share with our Canadian homies.

 

I heard that we should see the results from the J&J vaccine sometime next week.  What about the Novavax?

[Jason]

Fucking unbelievable. The only update today was "we'll tell you more sometime later". Not even clarification on things like whether health conditions will still be prioritized. March seemed far away but at least there was a target date, now it's literally just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ for the indefinite future. 

 

 

[Joe]

15 minutes ago, marioandsonic said:

 

I heard that we should see the results from the J&J vaccine sometime next week.  What about the Novavax?

 

Should be in a couple of weeks or less.

[SilentWorld]

4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

You know who really loses with all these issues and delays? The third world. Can't imagine they will be vaccinated before 2023 or 2024. By then they might have full infection.

 

It seems like most developing countries have handled covid better than a lot of developed countries, and (potential China propaganda incoming) China is distributing their Sinovac vaccine, at least in south east Asia, already. If other vaccines are able to come online soon, and vaccine production is able to be ramped up as much as people are saying, I'd guess most of the world, including the developing world, will be vaccinated by mid 2022 at the latest. 

[johnny]

Report: Beloved NBA reporter and analyst Sekou Smith dies

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The NBA community remembered Smith fondly upon the news of his death on Tuesday.

 

48 years old. 

 

If i had a dollar for every time i’ve heard somebody say “lets open everything up and make the elderly quarantine...” 

 

[Jason]

17 minutes ago, johnny said:

Report: Beloved NBA reporter and analyst Sekou Smith dies

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The NBA community remembered Smith fondly upon the news of his death on Tuesday.

 

48 years old. 

 

If i had a dollar for every time i’ve heard somebody say “lets open everything up and make the elderly quarantine...” 

 

 

Seems like we'll be there soon enough given Gavin seems to be operating based on being scared of the recall push. 

 

Which I'm honestly inclined to sign the petition for after the last two days. 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, SilentWorld said:

 

It seems like most developing countries have handled covid better than a lot of developed countries, and (potential China propaganda incoming) China is distributing their Sinovac vaccine, at least in south east Asia, already. If other vaccines are able to come online soon, and vaccine production is able to be ramped up as much as people are saying, I'd guess most of the world, including the developing world, will be vaccinated by mid 2022 at the latest. 

Could be, but much of the developed world will struggle with vaccine administration even if the supply is there. It will require efforts of wealthy nations to provide staff, temporary facilities, etc. to quickly administer the vaccine. 

[Remarkableriots]

2 hours ago, Joe said:

Also, if Novavax and J&J come through as we hope they will, we will surely have more than enough vaccines to share with our Canadian homies.

Counter point

 

[Remarkableriots]

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

5 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

Canada also originally signed up to co-research the CanSino vaccine...and then China unilaterally vetoed Canada getting any. As it turns out, the vaccine isn't that great (50-70% effective, I think), but still bad.

 

Not sure what Canada can do about this. Conservatives will demand that Trudeau somehow make Canada have the punch-throwing weight of the US in order to get its way...but that's not possible. Really unfortunate that this all happened with Trump in power, as otherwise I imagine Canada would have co-joined with the US to fund production in the US.

A blind man walking in the dark could have forseen that the CanSino vaccine would never work out.

 

Europe paid for domestic capacity for AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines.  US paid for domestic capacity on Pfizer vaccines.  Australia (which is much smaller than Canada) paid for domestic capacity on the AstraZeneca vaccine.  Canada paid for no capacity ANYWHERE, and the contracts we did sign put us behind almost all of our peers. 

 

Our vaccination rates are less than half of fucking Iceland and below Bermuda and Switzerland.  If BERMUDA can figure our how to get more vaccines than Canada....

[AbsolutSurgen]

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Canada is not at the back of the line.  Canada is not at the back of the line.

If I say it enough times, will it be true?

[thewhyteboar]

Korea has done a total of zero vaccinations. The only ones who have received a vaccine in this country are US soldiers. The government said we don't need a vaccine yet because we can just get the "social distancing vaccine." Kinda fucked. 

[CitizenVectron]

I wouldn't call 20 out of 200 "back of the line." Was it dumb to rely on our close allies to honour their agreements to us? Maybe. But Canada will still be done vaccinating the population this year, likely not that far behind the US, and ahead of 80% of the world. Moderns has also confirmed to Canada today that the EU protectionist measures would not affect our shipments.

[Joestradamus]

Well, my wife got her second dose of the moderna vaccine this afternoon. It's only been about 4-5 hours but she's doing well so far.

 

2 of her co-workers got their second dose today, as well. Both of them went in the morning and started feeling mild symptoms by early evening, like body aches and head aches. No fevers. Hope my wife feels fine tomorrow.

[skillzdadirecta]

Healthcare worker dies after second dose of Covid Vaccine

 

Health care worker dies after second dose of COVID vaccine, investigations underway – Orange County Register

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Tim Zook, a resident of Orange who worked at an acute care medical center, had a reaction within hours of his second Pfizer-BioNTech shot. He spiraled downward and died four days later.

 

Seems like he had a severe reaction.

[marioandsonic]

That will just give the anti-vaxxers more ammo.

[skillzdadirecta]

Just now, marioandsonic said:

That will just give the anti-vaxxers more ammo.

Unfortunately yes, but the guy's widow is still pro vaccine. She just wants to find out what happened. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

2 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

US paid for domestic capacity on Pfizer vaccines

What are you talking about here specifically

[skillzdadirecta]

Hospital Chief fired for Vaccine Scandal

 

San Jose hospital chief reportedly gets ax over COVID-19 vaccine scandal - San José Spotlight

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One of Good Samaritan’s top leaders is said to be out of a job after he came under fire for flouting county guidelines and providing COVID-19 vaccines to Los Gatos teachers as part of an apparent quid pro quo. Sources familiar with the hospital say Chief Operating Officer Gary Purushotham has been fired, the Mercury...

 

 

I talked to a friend of mine today who said she knew some people who got "hooked up" with the Vaccine so shit like that IS happening 

[Spork3245]

7 hours ago, thewhyteboar said:

Korea has done a total of zero vaccinations. The only ones who have received a vaccine in this country are US soldiers. The government said we don't need a vaccine yet because we can just get the "social distancing vaccine." Kinda fucked. 

You say it’s “kinda fucked” now, but when everyone else is fighting off the zombie hordes you’ll be thankful 

[Keyser_Soze]

14 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

You say it’s “kinda fucked” now, but when everyone else is fighting off the zombie hordes you’ll be thankful 

 

That already happened in Korea and they won. Didn't you see the movie?

[Fizzzzle]

What was the story yesterday from Canada about the rich couple who flew a private jet to Nunavut or some shit and pretended to be new hires at a local hotel so they could get the vaccine, then flew their private jet back home? And then they only got fined like a thousand bucks?

[BloodyHell]

4 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Hospital Chief fired for Vaccine Scandal

 

San Jose hospital chief reportedly gets ax over COVID-19 vaccine scandal - San José Spotlight

SANJOSESPOTLIGHT.COM

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One of Good Samaritan’s top leaders is said to be out of a job after he came under fire for flouting county guidelines and providing COVID-19 vaccines to Los Gatos teachers as part of an apparent quid pro quo. Sources familiar with the hospital say Chief...

 

 

I talked to a friend of mine today who said she knew some people who got "hooked up" with the Vaccine so shit like that IS happening 

As with everything, there will always be some corruption.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

No such thing as a wasted shot. 

[CitizenVectron]

3 hours ago, Fizzzzle said:

What was the story yesterday from Canada about the rich couple who flew a private jet to Nunavut or some shit and pretended to be new hires at a local hotel so they could get the vaccine, then flew their private jet back home? And then they only got fined like a thousand bucks?

 

Yeah they flew up to a small town in the Yukon Territory and pretended to be workers at the hotel...in a town of 100. They were run out of town, but the maximum fine for whatever small charge the RCMP could levy is something like $500 or $600 each. More likely they are going to lose their jobs as execs at a casino, or something.

[AbsolutSurgen]

9 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

What are you talking about here specifically

As part of Operation Warp Speed, the US government gave Pfizer $2 billion dollars specifically to install manufacturing capacity for the BioNTech developed RNA vaccine, in return for being guaranteed first access to the production from that facility. 

 

It was a smart decision.  The reason that vaccinations are happening right now are largely due to the efforts of Operation Warp Speed and similar efforts in the EU.

 

Canada's first RNA vaccine is going into Phase 1 trials this week, and may take advantage of foreign production later this year.  The first Canadian RNA vaccine production facility that I am aware of will open in Calgary in early 2022.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

15 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

As part of Operation Warp Speed, the US government gave Pfizer $2 billion dollars specifically to install manufacturing capacity for the BioNTech developed RNA vaccine, in return for being guaranteed first access to the production from that facility. 

My understanding is that the $2b, which only will get paid out after approval of the vaccine and shipment of 100m doses, was for the purchase of the first doses as pfizer was not part of most of the OWS program, unless there's another $2b that I'm not aware of

[AbsolutSurgen]

11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

My understanding is that the $2b, which only will get paid out after approval of the vaccine and shipment of 100m doses, was for the purchase of the first doses as pfizer was not part of most of the OWS program, unless there's another $2b that I'm not aware of

The vaccine was already developed before OWS.  However, payment was not contingent on FDA approval of the vaccine (or at least that is what the wording of the Pfizer and HHS descriptions of the deal strongly imply).  So they were getting $2 billion, even if the vaccine didn't work/was unsafe.  This significantly de-risked the capacity expansion at Pfizer -- which is why the OWS said it was for "manufacturing".  My understanding is that other deals (i.e. Sanofi/GSK) were similar in structure.

[CitizenVectron]

7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

The vaccine was already developed before OWS.  However, payment was not contingent on FDA approval of the vaccine (or at least that is what the wording of the Pfizer and HHS descriptions of the deal strongly imply).  So they were getting $2 billion, even if the vaccine didn't work/was unsafe.  This significantly de-risked the capacity expansion at Pfizer -- which is why the OWS said it was for "manufacturing".  My understanding is that other deals (i.e. Sanofi/GSK) were similar in structure.

 

So the vaccine production capability was already in the US, and the money just guaranteed first access. So if Canada had done the same (paid for first-access from the already-existing US production facilities) then it still would have been screwed by Trump demanding all vaccines made in the US stay in the US. It doesn't look like that $2 billion actually built facilities, it's just a bonus to the company to keep vaccines in the US.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

6 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

The vaccine was already developed before OWS.  However, payment was not contingent on FDA approval of the vaccine (or at least that is what the wording of the Pfizer and HHS descriptions of the deal strongly imply).  So they were getting $2 billion, even if the vaccine didn't work/was unsafe.  This significantly de-risked the capacity expansion at Pfizer -- which is why the OWS said it was for "manufacturing".  My understanding is that other deals (i.e. Sanofi/GSK) were similar in structure.

That's not how I read it. From July 2020:

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NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

The U.S. government will pay the companies $1.95 billion upon the receipt of the first 100 million doses, following FDA authorization or approval. The U.S. government also can acquire up to an additional 500 million doses.

 

Pfizer and BioNTech Announce an Agreement with U.S. Government for up to 600 Million Doses of mRNA-based Vaccine Candidate Against SARS-CoV-2 | Pfizer

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U.S. government placed an initial order of 100 million doses for $1.95 billion and can acquire up to 500 million additional doses Americans to receive the vaccine for free consistent with U.S...

 

 

Unless there is another agreement I'm not aware of

 

[Jason]

Millions earmarked for public health emergencies were used to pay for unrelated projects, says inspector general - The Washington Post

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[CitizenVectron]

In any case, I would be very shocked if the EU actually cut off orders to Canada. It seems the root of the outrage is because of two factors:

1. AstraZeneca has had production issues, so is shorting orders
2. Orders of the AstraZeneca vaccine which were intended for the EU ended up going to the UK

The biggest issue is transparency and where things are going.

 

However, the very root problem in all of this was Oxford deciding to sell the exclusive drug rights to AstraZeneca rather than their original promise of open-sourcing it (which would have allowed any company to manufacture and sell it).

[AbsolutSurgen]

2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

So the vaccine production capability was already in the US, and the money just guaranteed first access. So if Canada had done the same (paid for first-access from the already-existing US production facilities) then it still would have been screwed by Trump demanding all vaccines made in the US stay in the US. It doesn't look like that $2 billion actually built facilities, it's just a bonus to the company to keep vaccines in the US.

No.  The vaccine capacity of ~40-50 million doses/month of RNA vaccines did not yet exist at the facility.

 

2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

That's not how I read it. From July 2020:

Pfizer and BioNTech Announce an Agreement with U.S. Government for up to 600 Million Doses of mRNA-based Vaccine Candidate Against SARS-CoV-2 | Pfizer

WWW.PFIZER.COM

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U.S. government placed an initial order of 100 million doses for $1.95 billion and can acquire up to 500 million additional doses Americans to receive the vaccine for free consistent with U.S...

 

 

Unless there is another agreement I'm not aware of

 

"HHS announced up to $1.95 billion in funds to Pfizer for the large-scale manufacturing and nationwide distribution of 100 million doses of their vaccine candidate. The federal government will own the 100 million doses of vaccine initially produced as a result of this agreement, and Pfizer will deliver the doses in the United States if the product successfully receives FDA EUA or licensure, as outlined in FDA guidance, after completing demonstration of safety and efficacy in a large Phase 3 clinical trial, which began July 27th"

[Jason]