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Jason Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: People know how bad Covid is and still go out and do whatever. My sister in law is a nurse at a hospital in Houston that had a large Covid patient load. Yesterday she had a party at her house with 20+ people. HRC as president doesn’t fix that flippancy. 1 hour ago, Joe said: I'd say just pulling numbers out of my ass, HRC would have saved around 60k lives had she been in charge. HRC doesn't fix people like sbl's sister-in-law being flippant, but she also keeps a lid on the initial problem by, say, making sure there's enough PPE for people willing to comply with wearing masks to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: HRC doesn't fix people like sbl's sister-in-law being flippant, but she also keeps a lid on the initial problem by, say, making sure there's enough PPE for people willing to comply with wearing masks to do so. She might have forced NY, NJ, and CT to quarantine earlier or she might have at least provided them with better information where they might have that decision themselves. Governors were basically on their own in March. She also would have instituted a federal mask order by now, avoiding many of the current needless deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Joe said: She might have forced NY, NJ, and CT to quarantine earlier or she might have at least provided them with better information where they might have that decision themselves. Governors were basically on their own in March. She also would have instituted a federal mask order by now, avoiding many of the current needless deaths. End of the day, literally any coordination at the federal level instead of turning it into a Hunger Games situation and then intentionally stealing the stuff they made the governors procure on their own gets you a less bad outcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 I actually wonder how Fox & other conservative media would play this with HRC in office. I think they'd instinctively want to say that the HRC administration was botching the response and they were responsible for however many deaths there would be in the US in this scenario. Kind of like how at the very beginning of this Trump was kind of trying to float the idea that Obama had screwed up swine flu and that was actually horrible, but the lamestream media made you forget the whole thing or whatever. But then if you go all-in on that idea, you can't do the "all of this actually a hoax" stuff at the same time. And I wonder if the anti-mask/anti-vaxx/hyroxycholroquine is a miracle cure stuff would've still propagated on the right through the internet even while Fox wasn't on board with it. Of course, all of this is assuming the right didn't successfully impeach Hillary for e-mail crimes like a week after she was sworn in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 I think this all ignores the only thing that could have really changed outcomes: a functional congress harnessing the incredible resources of our nation to pay people to stay home and Bush was to stay closed. That’s what is going to drive our plight as a nation, the need to go back to work despite conditions that simply can’t be safe enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emalider Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: People know how bad Covid is and still go out and do whatever. My sister in law is a nurse at a hospital in Houston that had a large Covid patient load. Yesterday she had a party at her house with 20+ people. HRC as president doesn’t fix that flippancy. Your SIL and other healthcare workers like her are frustrating - not only is having a house party a careless act in and of itself but it'll have impacts on other people who don't work with covid patients. I'm sure anyone questioning the severity of the disease thought it can't be too bad if a nurse impacted by it isn't following guidelines. This virus lends itself well to conspiracy theories: the incubation period and severity/range of symptoms alone can make any conspiracy theory-curious person doubt the impacts of the disease. Then you add inconvenience to the me-first-instant-gratification culture in the US, and top everything off with an incompetent/evil administration that caused further distrust by having wildly different messages. For the majority who didn't fall into this category and are taking things seriously, the lack of necessary action due to pisspoor national testing/tracing infrastructure (ie, none) and federal support for those affected by any lockdowns to actually remain indoors has contributed to us spinning our wheels and making no progress. Without a doubt, HRC would have managed this better. 1. HRC may have sat on COVID similar to other countries but she wouldn't wait for it to spread in the community before taking action. 2. As mentioned earlier, she wouldn't have disbanded (nor discredited) the taskforce. 3. The Obama playbook would not go to waste (from what I recall - included in it were procuring PPE and equipment, as well as establishing testing and tracing necessities). 4. PPP, unemployment benefits, and sick leave support wouldn't be this wishful thought that Americans who qualify hopefully get it. 5. Let's assume there are no changes to lives lost to police brutality - HRC would not go benghazi on Portland and threaten other cities, further empowering the right wing talking point "if it's safe to protest and riot, it's safe to fully reopen the economy and fuck masks herp derp." An earlier response with an actual strategy would have saved a shit ton of lives. I have no doubts HRC would have carried out a strategy, leaning on the experts to guide the conversation rather than this bullshit "plan" we have now. Sidenote: There is a huge difference in federal response to Ebola when compared to COVID. The level of preparation we took for Ebola mirrored how the federal government guided the conversation. With COVID, we weren't moving nearly as quick, partially due to the false sense of security the Trump a administration was trying to portray. There are other factors to consider, but we definitely weren't alone with a slow start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: But then if you go all-in on that idea, you can't do the "all of this actually a hoax" stuff at the same time Immigrants are lazy and on welfare Immigrants steal our jobs Clinton is to stupid and weak to be President Clinton is secretly running an underground government to overthrow our current one, she also runs the biggest pedo ring The government is terrible and we need to guns to keep them in check You commie bastard! you will love this government or leave! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Ricofoley said: Just having airport screenings in line with what the rest of the world was doing at the beginning would've helped immensely. People were talking about having connecting flights in Europe where they got fever checks and were asked a bunch of questions about exactly where they'd been, and then once they got to the US they just stepped right off the plane and went right through customs. We did a story early on wher one of the correspondent's sons returned from Europe and walked right in. No temperature checks, no questions about where they traveled from, NOTHING. A lot of Americans at the time were shocked because it was completely opposite of what they experienced traveling in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 The CDC played games and sowed confusion in telling people how (in)effective masks were because they were worried about a shortage causing further problems at hospitals. Because this administration abjectly refused to mobilize the government and private industry to prepare the nation. In Hillary's America masks are provided free. In trump's America we get "Air Police 4 with four layers of protection for you and your family; five for only $9.99 plus shipping and handling." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emalider Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I think this all ignores the only thing that could have really changed outcomes: a functional congress harnessing the incredible resources of our nation to pay people to stay home and Bush was to stay closed. That’s what is going to drive our plight as a nation, the need to go back to work despite conditions that simply can’t be safe enough. I think the media is partially to blame. When everything is oversimplified into raw cases and deaths using a scoreboard like it's the Superb Owl, it downplays how much is still unknown. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists Quote Ongoing problems include fatigue, a racing heartbeat, shortness of breath, achy joints, foggy thinking, a persistent loss of sense of smell, and damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys, and brain. This nonchalant approach like we know all that needs to be learned baffles my mind. Some people will take more precautions to avoid herpes than they would this disease with worse (and potentially indefinite) effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 The ruling class is certainly worried that people will figure out that our entire economy and way of life is just made up non-sense and we could create a fundamentally different society if we wanted. We should fully expect the GOP to try and push for a return to normal as fast as possible, but even the Dems have been all too willing to follow suit. Pelosi was allowing for long recesses while key programs were barreling towards expectation. There is no sense of urgency from our leaders on the things that would actually turn the tide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I think this all ignores the only thing that could have really changed outcomes: a functional congress harnessing the incredible resources of our nation to pay people to stay home and Bush was to stay closed. That’s what is going to drive our plight as a nation, the need to go back to work despite conditions that simply can’t be safe enough. And in alt world with president Hillary, we'd probably be looking at an even more conservative senate and house so uh... yeahhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, Anathema- said: The CDC played games and sowed confusion in telling people how (in)effective masks were because they were worried about a shortage causing further problems at hospitals. Because this administration abjectly refused to mobilize the government and private industry to prepare the nation. In Hillary's America masks are provided free. In trump's America we get "Air Police 4 with four layers of protection for you and your family; five for only $9.99 plus shipping and handling." This is partially incorrect. We have had a major shift in thinking about the way masks work during this pandemic. That does not mean Abbott (until a few weeks ago) and DeSantis aren't culpable for not putting mask mandates in their state, but even the WHO was not recommending masks initially. It's not ALL Trump's fault, just mostly imo lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 To elaborate, masks are not very effective in terms of protecting you from unmasked people. So while the CDC did make that recommendation to protect PPE, it was coupled with the understanding that having a few people wearing masks was essentially pointless and would further rob the nation of badly needed PPE. I agree that we should have been far better prepared in terms of PPE, but I think the CDC makes that recommendation initially even in a Clinton administration. It made logical sense at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Trump’s Coronavirus Testing Chief Concedes a Lag in Test Results: With the reopening plans of schools and businesses hinging on rapid test results, the Trump administration’s testing czar says a two- to three-day turnaround “is not possible.” Apparently in non-shithole countries the turnaround time on COVID tests is 24 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 My wife had a test 12 days ago and has not gotten results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jason said: Trump’s Coronavirus Testing Chief Concedes a Lag in Test Results: With the reopening plans of schools and businesses hinging on rapid test results, the Trump administration’s testing czar says a two- to three-day turnaround “is not possible.” Apparently in non-shithole countries the turnaround time on COVID tests is 24 hours. I'm on day 16 of waiting on my results* *I had a feeling the results would take a long time, so I also got tested at UNLV and those results took about a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, emalider said: This nonchalant approach like we know all that needs to be learned baffles my mind. Some people will take more precautions to avoid herpes than they would this disease with worse (and potentially indefinite) effects. I'd be terrified as an athlete knowing about Eduardo Rodriguez's situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe said: This is partially incorrect. We have had a major shift in thinking about the way masks work during this pandemic. That does not mean Abbott (until a few weeks ago) and DeSantis aren't culpable for not putting mask mandates in their state, but even the WHO was not recommending masks initially. It's not ALL Trump's fault, just mostly imo lol. I'm not being hyperbolic. That "shift" was just a cover story. https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-mask-advice-was-because-doctors-shortages-from-the-start-2020-6 Quote Dr. Anthony Fauci said Friday the reason the public was advised not to wear masks at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic was that there were too few to go around. In an interview with the financial-news site TheStreet, Fauci, the US government's foremost infectious-diseases expert, was asked about the changing government advice on wearing masks. In January through March, as the spread of the disease became more and more serious, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention actively discouraged the use of masks among the general public. By early April, simple cloth face coverings were recommended for the general public, instead of protective personal equipment such as surgical and N95 masks, The New York Times reported. Fauci's comments echo those of Surgeon General Jerome Adams on March 2, when he said that the increased demand for masks was putting medical professionals at risk. A few days earlier, he tweeted that masks were "not effective in preventing" COVID-19 in the general public, saying, "Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!" He later reversed his advice. Fauci explained the early advice against masks by saying: "The public-health community — and many people were saying this — were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply." The efficacy of masks was proven in Asia during the SARS outbreak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 It's unfortunate that Fauci said that, as I understand the strategy, but it definitely fed a lot into conspiracy theories surrounding the pandemic. If he would have told everyone to wear a mask, that surely would have led to even greater PPE shortages in hospitals though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Just now, mclumber1 said: It's unfortunate that Fauci said that, as I understand the strategy, but it definitely fed a lot into conspiracy theories surrounding the pandemic. If he would have told everyone to wear a mask, that surely would have led to even greater PPE shortages in hospitals though. If Trump would have invoked the DPA to ramp up PPE production then there wouldn't have been a need to engage in mask rationing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: I'd be terrified as an athlete knowing about Eduardo Rodriguez's situation What worries me about stories like this, is do we have any data that says this kind of damage to the body CANNOT happen to kids? Exposing them by reopening schools could cause some to have permanent, life long health issues. Or at least reduced function. One of many reasons I strongly oppose schools reopening for in person classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Anathema- said: I'm not being hyperbolic. That "shift" was just a cover story. https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-mask-advice-was-because-doctors-shortages-from-the-start-2020-6 The efficacy of masks was proven in Asia during the SARS outbreak. I understand that it was a major reason why, but it was not the sole reason. Even the WHO initially said to not wear masks. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/who-changes-covid-19-mask-guidance-wear-one-if-you-n1226116 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaladinSolo Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 If we needed oxygen we'd have evolved the ability to produce our own, eat it libtards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Point is that a CDC under Clinton would not have been facing down a mask shortage in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 It is hard to remember even what has happened since February and March, but wasn’t there a mask shortage globally? It seemed like there were fights between nations to stock up in those days. The speed at which the virus ramped up was a surprise to the world. I don’t doubt an HRC administration gets things lined up with some speed, but the initial rationing was an issue pretty much everywhere in the world except Asia where mask wearing is a normal practice for people outside of pandemics just when they are feeling ill normally. I would also point out that the science showing that any sort of covering over your face and mouth aided in decreasing the projection of droplets from your mouth and nose came quite a bit after the initial run in N95 and surgical masks. If that were known and widely accepted in February, there is no need for Fauci/CDC/WHO/whoever to run that gambit regarding masks. Which is why I come back to what is happening now. We know all manner of things now that we didn’t back then and our case counts and deaths have risen because it doesn’t matter what we know if people and businesses are forced back to work less they lose their homes and livelihoods. That piece isn’t fixed without a functional Congress, and what makes people think the GOP goes along more with an HRC administrations lead than they do with the Trump admin. I mean, there are areas right now where the Trump admin is fighting with the GOP for even minor stimulus spending packages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Seems we've been managing better at work. No one else I work with has gotten sick. Always make me sad when I hear a Code Blue called on the Covid unit, though, which seems to happen pretty regularly. In a bit more positive news, at least for me, I finally got my hazard pay. An extra $2k on my check and they're talking of extending it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Joe said: My wife had a test 12 days ago and has not gotten results. Took me 11 days to get my second one... my first test only took 3 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Ricofoley said: I'd be terrified as an athlete knowing about Eduardo Rodriguez's situation One of the co-morbidities for COVID 19 is obesity and since 75% of NFL players are technically obese... and outbreak with those guys could be catastrophic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 https://www.insidehook.com/article/sports/mlb-outbreak-mistakes All of that ass slapping in the dugouts is going to get the season cancelled. This is just as much the players' fault as it is the leagues. Prorate their pay to only the number of games they played this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Emperor Diocletian II said: Baseball lasted what, a week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Baseball lasted what, a week? More or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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