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Also, this is (yet again) further proof that we need to effectively nationalize the vaccines and mass-produce them at cost everywhere around the world for free (well, at cost, by governments). We could have the entire western world on our 6th doses and feeling secure, but if a single mutation in Malaysia can evade the vaccines completely (unlikely, I know) then it's all wrecked. Just give everyone around the world the vaccine for free, and fuck the private companies. This is a global issue.

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Also, as has been said, even this new variant is unlikely to render our vaccines useless:

 

 

What becomes more likely as time goes on is that new variants are able to escape the initial immune response (which really is the ability of our body to prevent infection from getting a foothold in the first place), but that our bodies will still be able to fight off severe illness. The result of this would be that the disease becomes endemic and that everyone will catch it at some point (like the cold/flu, but 10x more likely since this is more contagious), but that severe outcome is still massively reduced due to vaccines. Except for people 70+ and those with extreme vulnerabilities, who are still dying in large numbers even while vaccinated (doesn't matter how much your immune system recognizes the virus when the immune system itself barely exists). 

 

There are different ways that could play out in society. The best way would be a general acceptance of mask-wearing, massive improvements to internal ventilation systems (especially in schools, which are typically older and in worse shape than commercial buildings), and the adoption of (and encouragement of) paid sick leave/care leave (as well as remote work). The worst way would be the right-wing's approach of "well even if it exists, we're all going to die anyway," which will result in the gutting of the medical system in a few ways:

 

  • Less people want to work in it/people who already work in it leave
  • Right-wing uses the excuse of collapse to promote more privatization

 

Some countries might be able to go the better route, but certainly not most, or all.

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The AstraZeneca vaccine is effectively available to any government that wants to produce it.

 

Just a thought.  Perhaps manufacturing vaccines, and scaling up production is hard.  If governments were motivated to end the global pandemic, they could partner with the pharmaceuticals to build manufacturing capacity (it would take years).  But, there is no evidence that any world leader is motivated by anything other than vaccinating their own citizens.

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Also, good article on breakthrough cases in Ontario (which has a large enough pop of ~14.6 million to be good for looking at data):

 

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There have been more than 17,000 so-called breakthrough cases of COVID-19 involving fully vaccinated Ontarians over the last year but the number of those people under 60 who eventually ended up in an intensive care unit is only nine.

 

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The data shows that there have been 17,596 breakthrough cases among the more than 11 million Ontarians who are fully vaccinated, accounting for 3.8 per cent of all lab-confirmed cases.

 

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In fact, over the last year there have been just 83 people under the age of 60 who have ended up in hospital with a breakthrough case of COVID-19. Of those individuals, just nine of them have required treatment in an intensive care unit.

As a point of comparison a total of 8,355 unvaccinated individuals under the age of 60 have ended up in hospital with COVID-19 over the same time-period and 1,722 of them have required treatment in the ICU.

 

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So far there have only been 40 instances of breakthrough cases of COVID-19 involving individuals who are 14 days out from a third dose.

 

The vaccines are working very well, and as long as we continue with boosters (and barring any doomsday mutation) this is going to become (unfortunately) an old-person disease. Unfortunately that will mean lots of selfish younger people will then treat it as a non-concern (in terms of preventing spread).

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1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said:

Also, good article on breakthrough cases in Ontario (which has a large enough pop of ~14.6 million to be good for looking at data):

 

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There have been more than 17,000 so-called breakthrough cases of COVID-19 involving fully vaccinated Ontarians over the last year but the number of those people under 60 who eventually ended up in an intensive care unit is only nine.

 

 

 

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The vaccines are working very well, and as long as we continue with boosters (and barring any doomsday mutation) this is going to become (unfortunately) an old-person disease. Unfortunately that will mean lots of selfish younger people will then treat it as a non-concern (in terms of preventing spread).

Demonstrates why putting health restrictions on fully vaccinated people can no longer really be justified.

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19 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Not nu, but Omicron.

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A new coronavirus variant that was identified this week in South Africa has been named a variant of concern and given the name Omicron by the World Health Organization.

 

 

Sounds like a Transformers villain.

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Based on nothing but my own gut, I am going to predict that this variant will dominate infection worldwide within 3-4 weeks, and will prove to reduce the efficacy of the vaccines down to something like 10-20% for stopping infection. The vaccines will still hold up in terms of preventing severe disease for most people (since T-cell response is quite different than antibody response, and relies less on the shape of spike protein). Regardless, hospitals will once again start to become overloaded as more and more unvaccinated people enter them as the virus spreads among both vaccinated and unvaccinated. Most governments will be afraid to introduce lockdowns, etc, until it's too late. New vaccines for this variant (and Delta) will be released mid-to-late-2022 and will prove quite effective. We will enter 2023 roughly where we are right now, except that the far-right will have taken advantage of this in the US as well as Europe.

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14 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

This is why the development of therapeutics remains a necessity. Many thought these would just be for the unvaccinated, but not so.

 

Everybody is going to catch this thing at some point.

 

Honestly one "good" thing (despite the cost) to come out of this pandemic is the giant amounts of investment into anti-viral research, both preventative and treatment-wise. 

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Growing momentum for paid sick leave ignores underperformance of programs launched during the pandemic

 

Basically there is a movement in Canada to legally guarantee sick leave for all people. Most people have it through their work, but because it's not regulated, not all do. Also, lol at the article saying the pandemic-era temporary sick leave programs were "flops." Most of them required action after you took leave to be reimbursed by the government. If you know you have to do a bunch of paperwork to get paid after, you are far less likely to take it (especially it you make less to begin with). But if you know ahead of time that you can take a day off with pay, you are more likely to use it.

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Per my sister this evening, my nieces husbands family all have contracted Covid last week. 4 out of the 10 are currently in the hospital  with 1 of the those in the ICU in piss poor shape. For fucks sake get your god damn vaccinations, fucking morons the entire lot of them.

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9 hours ago, vaxick said:

Suddenly, this David Bowie song from the PC/Dreamcast game Omikron: The Nomad Soul is going to take on a new meaning.  Thanks David Cage.

 

 


Between references to Omikron and the Pandemic Legacy board game there’s no way we’re not living in a simulation. 

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Well, it finally happened. A relative has fallen to Q over the vaccines and covid. 
 

So this is fairly distant, but I see them every Thanksgiving and Christmas. My cousin on my dad's side married this guy. I'm not super close with him, but he's always been generally pretty jovial and okay to cut up with at the holiday gatherings. He's always been right wing--his son's a cop, he was big into Trump. But that was fine. We could spar with one another here and there and leave it with a "but whatever" and be fine to move on. 

 

Last year, our thanksgiving and christmas gatherings (which usually had 20+ people at them) were cancelled for safety reasons. We started back this year since everyone (minus this guy) was vaccinated. He gets there and I find him. He's sitting in a room by himself watching football, brooding. I strike up some small talk because I know he liked to mix it up in the past and he's always outspoken. So I talk about my work's vaccine mandate. He says a couple of dismissive things and then says "but I'm on a short leash, so I can't talk much." The look on his face is really pained in that it looks like he wants to go off. 

 

He doesn't get in line when food's ready. He doesn't eat with us. After the meal, when we're all milling around, he's nowhere to be found. As I was leaving, I catch a glimpse of him and the rest of his family leaving in their car. He sat in his car the entire time alone. 

 

I talked with my hillbilly uncle and he was like "oh yeah, he's into that Q stuff. It made him angry at the world. He lost a few friends over it and might even quit his job." He makes $26/hr driving dump trucks. That's damn good money here. He's always been big on talk, and that might just be all talk... but with Q, you never know. And if it came to that, his wife--my cousin--might decide that's the last straw.

 

I wish I knew more. What got to him, if it's actually Qanon stuff, or just run of the mill (lol) right wing stuff on facebook
It's no one I'm really mourning over losing. I see him twice a year and have only really done that in the last 5-6 years. I didn't grow up with him or anything. But the drastic change from 2019 to now is stark. I just feel bad for everyone in his life that was more close to him or that had to deal with him in the day to day over the last two years. Facebook, Q, OANN, and all that garbage got to him.

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My first morning back in Texas after a week and a half in Mexico and it's another planet. In Mexico everyone is wearing masks, everyone. Here it's like 2%, I'm at the gym and statistically at least half these people aren't vaxxed and probably got COVID on Thursday. Some will probably have lingering effects, maybe a few die. We deserve this. 

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