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The final Democratic debate before the Iowa caucus is Tuesday night, 1/14

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8 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

Bernie is right that healthcare needs more radical reform than a band aid like Biden or Butti’s approach. 

I thoroughly agree!

 

Hence, my position to declare healthcare as a "public good" and to nationalize the entire economic sector.

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18 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

I thoroughly agree!

 

Hence, my position to declare healthcare as a "public good" and to nationalize the entire economic sector.

Sounds fine to me. There are other approaches that would work too if you look at other developed countries, but single payer works.

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8 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

Sounds fine to me. There are other approaches that would work too if you look at other developed countries, but single payer works.

 

Those countries don't have Republicans who will sabotage the public option to make it uncompetative with private insurance, drive costs up, and then declare it failed. Universal programs are the only programs that work in our political environment. 

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10 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

 

This is INFINITELY WORSE than the First Gilded Age.

 

At least back then, those guys had some sense of "social responsibility" and created foundations, funded museums, etc. to at least pretend they had some interest in the betterment of humanity.

 

And they had colorful, interesting personalities.  These motherfuckers are so goddamned bland and boring.

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25 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said:

 

Those countries don't have Republicans who will sabotage the public option to make it uncompetative with private insurance, drive costs up, and then declare it failed. Universal programs are the only programs that work in our political environment. 

Bernie's plan has a 4 year phase in period when Republicans will have plenty of time to make single payer fail. If you get past the 4 year mark, I agree it would be nearly impossible to dismantle.

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1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said:

We have, but most Americans haven't. They aren't watching the debates like we are,


Most Americans aren’t watching this debate either.

Also that’s no excuse to not have an answer to the “arguments” the other candidates put up. You would think Bernie would plan ahead saying, “When I say ‘A’ this guy says ‘B’ so instead of what I usually say I should say ‘C’” 

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4 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:


Most Americans aren’t watching this debate either.

Also that’s no excuse to not have an answer to the “arguments” the other candidates put up. You would think Bernie would plan ahead saying, “When I say ‘A’ this guy says ‘B’ so instead of what I usually say I should say ‘C’” 

With the caucuses coming up, more people are tuning in. As far as Bernie goes... :shrug:

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1 minute ago, Jose said:

Warren refused to shake Bernie's hand and chewed him out. Damn!

I was amused by Steyer during that scene.

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Y'all are delusional if you think anyone even tangentially attached to the word Socialist is winning the presidency in America. I don't give a shit what the polls and all the hypothetical match-ups say. The closet Trump voter phenomenon is real. I don't trust any of those polls. We're fucked. Trump is gonna win. His dementia is the only thing that will defeat him.

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1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said:

 

Those countries don't have Republicans who will sabotage the public option to make it uncompetative with private insurance, drive costs up, and then declare it failed. Universal programs are the only programs that work in our political environment. 

No, they do. It's just it's much harder and takes more work to peal away any little bit they can. So any little change they make they get burned at the stake for it and usually get some minor change to survive. 

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I said yesterday on Reddit that Warren and Sanders need to come out practically holding hands or else the progressive movement is going to get kneecapped for another 4 years, let's see how that went.

 

 

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Just now, TheBladeRoden said:

I said yesterday on Reddit that Warren and Sanders need to come out practically holding hands or else the progressive movement is going to get kneecapped for another 4 years, let's see how that went.

 

 

 

Yeah he offered her his hand and who knows WTF she said to him.

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Doesn't matter who Democrats nominate, the Republicans will call whoever it is a socialist. Satan could let Ronald Reagan out of hell and the Democrats could run him and Republicans would still call him a welfare queen-worshipping commie who's red down to his underwear. 

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2 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

Doesn't matter who Democrats nominate, the Republicans will call whoever it is a socialist. Satan could let Ronald Reagan out of hell and the Democrats could run him and Republicans would still call him a welfare queen-worshipping commie who's red down to his underwear. 

You're not necessarily wrong, but that type of bullshit label doesn't stick as well to someone like Klobuchar or Biden. They'll massacre Bernie or Warren. "Our economy is riding higher than ever and we want to suddenly put a noose around our necks and jump off the ledge into Socialism!?!?" 

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4 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

Doesn't matter who Democrats nominate, the Republicans will call whoever it is a socialist. Satan could let Ronald Reagan out of hell and the Democrats could run him and Republicans would still call him a welfare queen-worshipping commie who's red down to his underwear. 

And if The American People fall for that then we deserve what we get.

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5 minutes ago, Scott said:

You're not necessarily wrong, but that type of bullshit label doesn't stick as well to someone like Klobuchar or Biden. They'll massacre Bernie or Warren. "Our economy is riding higher than ever and we want to suddenly put a noose around our necks and jump off the ledge into Socialism!?!?" 

 

They'll say verbatim about literally any Democrat. 

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Everybody thinks Dems are losing anyways so might as well vote for Bernie since he is the best candidate. Stop being scared little bitches 

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25 minutes ago, Scott said:

You're not necessarily wrong, but that type of bullshit label doesn't stick as well to someone like Klobuchar or Biden. They'll massacre Bernie or Warren. "Our economy is riding higher than ever and we want to suddenly put a noose around our necks and jump off the ledge into Socialism!?!?" 

 

Michigan, Penn, and Wisconsin already rejected an establishment candidate in favor of Trump who himself ran on free healthcare. Moderates haven't won the White House since Bill Clinton. The rise of the right and the left is being fueled by the failure of moderates to deliver. Obama, Sanders, and Trump are all products of the same thing. 

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8 hours ago, Jason said:

 

They'll say verbatim about literally any Democrat. 

 

Buttigieg made this point in one of the earlier debates, which really impressed me. He then continued to be his centrist bitch-ass self.

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