skillzdadirecta Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Okay Damn right it's ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: Damn right it's ok. Okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Okay, you're right. I put both feet in my virtual mouth (again) because I let my emotions get the best of me and started typing without thinking about what I was saying as I sometimes do and all I can do is comeback with these sophomoric and lame retorts because I really don't have anything else to add to the conversation. I fixed that for you and saved us both a bunch of time and energy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 99% of military are "good people" is ridiculous imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, 2user1cup said: 99% of military are "good people" is ridiculous imo Why? The vast majority are people from poor/working poor families looking for a stable job and/or a chance to go to college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, 2user1cup said: 99% of military are "good people" is ridiculous imo You're correct. It's probably closer to 99.8% are good people who just want to serve their country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodimus Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Why is Trump doing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 8 hours ago, sblfilms said: Why? The vast majority are people from poor/working poor families looking for a stable job and/or a chance to go to college. 7 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: You're correct. It's probably closer to 99.8% are good people who just want to serve their country. Ridiculous propaganda. How do you even measure "good people". I would say the "good people" percentage would match the population. In my mind maybe 15% are good gullible people in the US. 65% are grey depending on their relationship to you and their experience in our corrupt system, and 10% are self interest seeking, and the other 10% are likely unmeasurable due to addictions, mental health, abuse, prison. Like the sense of "good" doesn't even transcend cultures, what's right and wrong is even culturally different and we're a melting pot. How could such a storybook statement even be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Ridiculous propaganda. How do you even measure "good people". I would say the "good people" percentage would match the population. In my mind maybe 15% are good gullible people in the US. 65% are grey depending on their relationship to you and their experience in our corrupt system, and 10% are self interest seeking, and the other 10% are likely unmeasurable due to addictions, mental health, abuse, prison. Like the sense of "good" doesn't even transcend cultures, what's right and wrong is even culturally different and we're a melting pot. How could such a storybook statement even be considered. I see somebody just got a 79 in their intro to philosophy course at the community college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I see somebody just got a 79 in their intro to philosophy course at the community college. Alright, well everyone is good and Jesus loves everyone I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 The people that go into the military and the people that go into the police force are two completely different sets of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Rodimus said: Why is Trump doing this? It makes him look like a big tough guy. It appeals to the worst of his base, the ones who delight in the killing and torture of muslim people. It sends a message that he's more concerned with being big bad bullies than following the rule of law. He doesn't like the law. He thinks that his soldiers should be able to do whatever they want because he's a literal garbage monster of a person. He wants to rule over a fascist state. He's signaling that he's a literal movie villain. He's a fucking bad guy who does bad things and anyone who supports him is also bad. Evil exists in the world and it looks like Donald Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 These guys are following the example set by the Bush administration and Trump is merely a supporter of such American policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 29 minutes ago, MarSolo said: The people that go into the military and the people that go into the police force are two completely different sets of people. Dear god this is true... I wish the cops had half the discipline and oversight that the military does. Again speaking as the son and grandson of cops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, ort said: It makes him look like a big tough guy. It appeals to the worst of his base, the ones who delight in the killing and torture of muslim people. It sends a message that he's more concerned with being big bad bullies than following the rule of law. He doesn't like the law. He thinks that his soldiers should be able to do whatever they want because he's a literal garbage monster of a person. He wants to rule over a fascist state. He's signaling that he's a literal movie villain. He's a fucking bad guy who does bad things and anyone who supports him is also bad. Evil exists in the world and it looks like Donald Trump. When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Dear god this is true... I wish the cops had half the discipline and oversight that the military does. Again speaking as the son and grandson of cops. 20% of cops are veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: 20% of cops are veterans. And 80% aren't. Plus despite the fact that those guys are vetrans, Cops are trained differently with a lot less trigger discipline than Soldiers have. And there are less protections for soldiers than for cops who have a very powerful union that prebvents them from being held accountable... you want me to keep going? Again... SON.OF. A. COP. Most military guys who become cops think cops who weren't military are jokes and dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: And 80% aren't. Plus despite the fact that those guys are vetrans, Cops are trained differently with a lot less trigger discipline than Soldiers have. And there are less protections for soldiers than for cops who have a very powerful union that prebvents them from being held accountable... you want me to keep going? Again... SON.OF. A. COP. Right that 20% are the good ones. What about all the mercenary groups? What about all the paramilitary racist brigades? What about OKC? What about what about. The fetishising of the military is the sacred cow that is used to not fund education, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. Earlier I kept saying "okay" because I knew engaging into an argument with idealists was a road to no where. When the next democratic president starts a war liberals are gonna be all in. It's going to be a fascinating shift to watch the same people who hated W and Trump justify the same actions. Anyway, that's the end of what I'll say on this, I'm clearly the outlier .1% bad ideas man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 30 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: And 80% aren't. Plus despite the fact that those guys are vetrans, Cops are trained differently with a lot less trigger discipline than Soldiers have. And there are less protections for soldiers than for cops who have a very powerful union that prebvents them from being held accountable... you want me to keep going? Again... SON.OF. A. COP. Most military guys who become cops think cops who weren't military are jokes and dangerous. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/12/stephen-mader-west-virginia-police-officer-settles-lawsuit Yeah, there's no difference... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Iculus said: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/12/stephen-mader-west-virginia-police-officer-settles-lawsuit Yeah, there's no difference... That's what I mean by trigger discipline. This guy who had been in a warzone knew enough to know he wasn't in danger and didn't shoot and got fired for it? That's what I mean by differences in training... thanks for posting this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Jason said: When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people Well Trump did support Matt Bevin who, in his last days as governor, unleashed rapists and murderers back onto the people of Kentucky. They'll still vote for Trump and McConnell though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 "Retired" is a nice way of putting "dishonourably discharged and convicted murderer", NYT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 "Retired painter Adolph Hitler is an up and coming influencer!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 nice shitty snarky non apology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 God damn the NYT has become a real cess pool hasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: God damn the NYT has become a real cess pool hasn't it? Yes, BUT, they just blew a Republican-Orchestrated plot to undermine the Carter administration out of the water: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/29/world/middleeast/shah-iran-chase-papers.html In short, Reagan orchestrated an op wherein David Rockefeller's got the Shah into the US and prompted the hostage crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, CayceG said: Yes, BUT, they just blew a Republican-Orchestrated plot to undermine the Carter administration out of the water: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/29/world/middleeast/shah-iran-chase-papers.html In short, Reagan orchestrated an op wherein David Rockefeller's got the Shah into the US and prompted the hostage crisis. I thought we already knew Reagan used the hostage crisis to affect the election...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I think we suspected it, but this has it put in writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 The power of pardon/clemency needs to be abolished, not merely curtailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaynay1 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 On 11/25/2019 at 9:34 AM, CitizenVectron said: As someone unfamiliar with the US chain of command, is the President allowed to intervene at lower levels like this? I haven't been here in a while , but yes he absolutely can intervene at any level at any segment of the military. He is at the top of the chain of command line in every US Military building in the world. Though typically presidents stay away from intervening in the military court system as to not give the defense an undue influence type of defense to their client. The enlisted oath specifically references the president and doing what he wants. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, Snaynay1 said: I haven't been here in a while , but yes he absolutely can intervene at any level at any segment of the military. He is at the top of the chain of command line in every US Military building in the world. Though typically presidents stay away from intervening in the military court system as to not give the defense an undue influence type of defense to their client. The enlisted oath specifically references the president and doing what he wants. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 9:24 AM, 2user1cup said: These guys are following the example set by the Bush administration and Trump is merely a supporter of such American policy. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 US Army general refuses to restore special forces tab for pardoned officer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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