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Republicans are gonna steal the Kentucky governor's race:

 

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Kentucky Senate President Robert Stivers threw another wrench into the state's razor-thin gubernatorial outcome late Tuesday night, saying that the legislature could decide the race.

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Stivers said he thought Bevin’s speech declining to concede to Beshear was “appropriate.” He said believes most of the votes that went to Libertarian John Hicks, who received about 2% of the total vote, would have gone to Bevin and made him the clear winner.

 

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7 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

The electoral college is the 2nd dumbest thing the founders ever did, and doing it at a state level is so confoundingly insane that to even suggest it means you have the brainpower of a mollusk.

 

Just about everything in this country currently is gerrymandered for Republicans. Hearing any Republican friend of mine defending the electoral college with a map of counties is one of the arguments I no longer have any patience for.

 

  • Most state legislatures are rigged for Republicans where they have power in Wisconsin despite losing considerably in the popular vote within the state.
  • Most states are rigged for Republicans where the huge 40+ seat losses from 2017/2018 should have been 60+.
  • Many small states were created to intentionally give small states more powers (there's no reason to have two Dakotas) by giving them two Senators each, giving a small minority of the country enormous power, yet these Republicans don't want to make D.C. and Puerto Rico states for no reason other than not letting Democrats have Senators in less populated areas.
  • The electoral college currently favors Republicans.
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Maybe democrats should work towards earning the vote of (and stop being so condescending towards) rural voters like Andy beshear did

 

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/11/how-did-democrats-lose-rural-voters.html?__twitter_impression=true

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At the national level, the Democratic Party is coming around to the idea that it needs rural votes. “I tell Chair Perez this, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi was just in Nebraska two days ago and I said this to her as well, we cannot continue to starve state parties and think that somehow we are magically going to come up with some unicorn of a candidate that is going to turn things around,” said Kleeb. She adds that things have improved recently: Her state party is now getting $10,000 a month from the Democratic National Committee, as opposed to $2,500 a month while President Obama was in office.

 

But in other respects, the party’s progress is slow, maybe too slow for first-time candidates like Starla Kiser. (Kleeb notes that her state party used to get $25,000 a month.) And when prominent Democrats do reckon publicly with rural apathy, their diagnosis of the problem sometimes says more about the party’s internal ideological divisions than it does about the material needs of rural people. 

 

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17 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Maybe democrats should work towards earning the vote of (and stop being so condescending towards) rural voters like Andy beshear did

 

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/11/how-did-democrats-lose-rural-voters.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

 

Kelli Ward just used Beshear's win to make the point that rural voters aren't being represented.

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Just now, SaysWho? said:

 

Kelli Ward just used Beshear's win to make the point that rural votes aren't being represented.

And there article I posted makes the point that there are many democratic votes in rural areas, and we have the issues that materially impact rural lives, we just have to make the investment (read: $$$$) and in organizing, and actually running candidates from that area that speak to the area.

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1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

And there article I posted makes the point that there are many democratic votes in rural areas, and we have the issues that materially impact rural lives, we just have to make the investment (read: $$$$) and in organizing, and actually running candidates from that area that speak to the area.

 

Yes, but that's a separate issue from what we're talking about. Gerrymandering exists even if you win over rural voters.

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1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said:

It's the same thing each time:

 

Conservatives Lose - Democrats didn't really win, because they don't represent the rural parts of the jurisdiction. We need reform.

Conservatives Win - We don't need reform because even though cities voted Democrat, they aren't real jurisdictionites.

 

Which all really means "Democrats don't count," which goes to how they think if the whistleblower is a Democrat, then it's skewed to them.

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In August, Trump-backed Republican Gov. Matt Bevin released a video condemning what he described as Sanders' "hateful class warfare and communist ideology."

 

"Kentucky voters... Which side are you on?" Bevin asked. "Do you support socialism or do you still believe that America is the greatest nation on Earth?"

 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/07/outrageous-sanders-condemns-kentucky-gop-threatening-overturn-gubernatorial-election

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13 hours ago, Jwheel86 said:

 

 

I introduce this point anytime I have a friend or family member argue in favor of the Electoral College. Should we use proportional voting (ie Electoral College) for school, city, county, state, and federal elections?

 

Their rebuttal is mostly America is large and diverse, and a popular system would give too much power to California, although California accounted for just as many Republican votes as 14 other states combined in 2016.

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