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I liked it! So as usual, tension through long dialogue is Tarantino's forte, and the scene describing the son's death was masterful at it, but I really dug how the shock of that was followed up by the added wrinkle of the mystery behind another person in the room. Interestingly, the movie spelled out what was happening during John Ruth's rant about the woman working with someone else in the cabin, and she even admitted to it. Funny to watch on repeat.

 

I honestly wondered if Samuel L. Jackson's character was going to be the one with a seedier past, which would have been very surprising, but I was honestly surprised that all three of the guys with their hands on the wall were in on it together. I also enjoyed the Confederate Mannix teaming up with the Union black man by the end because they had shared concern; his reading of the "Lincoln" letter was a sweet end to their arc, I thought, like he was the one who wrote the letter to him. I also think that history with Mannix being used to sway him was really cool. It was definitely a smaller film -- felt more like

 

I've read that it's not considered top-Tarantino by a lot of people, and I was a bit uncomfortable at first with how much abuse Daisy was getting, but she ended up being a resourceful, cunning woman who was the brains behind the gang, and I feel like the big bads usually get an extended death sequence or karma strikes in many Tarantino movies. 

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I'm a big fan of The Hateful Eight myself and am kind of baffled that people think it's lesser Tarintino. The outcome of the racist and black bounty hunter coming together at the end while they die and the Lincoln letter is ::chef's kiss::

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I'm glad some enjoyed it.  I'm in the 'hated it" group.  From the very beginning 10 minute opening shot of the wagon coming in... the whole movie felt self indulgent to me.  

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2 hours ago, SoberChef said:

By chance did you watch the film or the director's episodic Netflix cut of this movie? 

 

I did not watch the extended cut. What'd I miss?

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2 hours ago, number305 said:

I'm glad some enjoyed it.  I'm in the 'hated it" group.  From the very beginning 10 minute opening shot of the wagon coming in... the whole movie felt self indulgent to me.  

 

I didn't hate it... it had some really good scenes in it,  but I do agree that it was pretty self indulgent. But then again, most of Tarantino's films are.

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All of Tarantino's films are self indulgent, it's basically why he's making the movies, because he wants to see this thing exist. I'd say it's his defining characteristic as a filmmaker, but I don't see it as a fault or a failure of the film.

 

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Not one of my favorites but I love how at heart the satire centers on it being the Good, the Bad and the Ugly with less good and the bad and the ugly amped up significantly. Can't think of many films better at lampooning the heroic cowboy myth popularized by filmmakers like John Wayne and John Ford, etc decades ago. That, the performances (everyone acted their ass off or at least made plenty of effort to chew the scenery), the set design and super wide format help make it an interesting film to scrutinize every once in a while. Haven't watched the extended version.

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40 minutes ago, TwinIon said:

All of Tarantino's films are self indulgent, it's basically why he's making the movies, because he wants to see this thing exist. I'd say it's his defining characteristic as a filmmaker, but I don't see it as a fault or a failure of the film.

 

 

Part of what I love about the movies. He has a distinct atmosphere and flare that I dig.

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I really liked it although I somehow managed to pay less attention to the actual plot and whodunnit than the beautiful, cozy setting. 

 

I've been meaning to re-watch it via the Netflix episodic version, does it actually feature a decent amount of extra content or what's the deal with that version? Don't know anything about it.

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1 hour ago, TwinIon said:

All of Tarantino's films are self indulgent, it's basically why he's making the movies, because he wants to see this thing exist. I'd say it's his defining characteristic as a filmmaker, but I don't see it as a fault or a failure of the film.

 

I dont see it as a fault necessarily except when the film suffers because of it. Some of his films do, some don't.  But Tarantino definitely makes films that HE wants to see. Kudos to him.

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I was with this movie up until Tarantino's narration about the poison in the coffee and then the timeline jump, which completely deflated all of the tension that had been built up in the first half.  I also can't figure out if it's accidental or intentional that the only thing the final two characters can agree on is their hatred of a woman.  That's either an interesting message about the nature of division and hatred along racial and gender lines, or it's just Tarantino getting his rocks off with violence against women for the sake of it.

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48 minutes ago, ShreddieMercuryRising said:

I was with this movie up until Tarantino's narration about the poison in the coffee and then the timeline jump, which completely deflated all of the tension that had been built up in the first half.  I also can't figure out if it's accidental or intentional that the only thing the final two characters can agree on is their hatred of a woman.  That's either an interesting message about the nature of division and hatred along racial and gender lines, or it's just Tarantino getting his rocks off with violence against women for the sake of it.

 

Schadenfreude can be a powerful thing.  For example, it's established knowledge that rival gangs/extremists in prison who tend to hate each other based on race or culture will sometimes set differences aside to get together and vent about pedophiles, cops, and even women.  

 

As for Tarantino, I've read some convincing fan theories that Death Proof is on some level, intentionally or not, an apology to Uma Thurman for the car accident that happened while filming Kill Bill, and his treatment of her (persuading her to do her own stunts when she didn't want to) was no doubt fucked up, but aside from that and the weirdness of having a connection to Weinstein there's no proof that he truly hates women, at least  as far as I know.

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I only saw it the one time during the 70mm roadshow screenings. I *hated* it. @skillzdadirectanailed it on the idea that QT’s self-indulgence is fine when it works towards the benefit of the film. It just doesn’t here.
 

What kills me about is that nearly every aspect of the film is QT at the top of his craft, but he simply enjoys the smell of his own flatulence a bit too much. Scenes run too long for no good reason. Dialogue gets too verbose even by QTs standard. The film is gorgeous, particularly the exterior work, and then he leans in to this boring single room setting all while touting the large format film and classic lenses he used.

 

Still need to revisit it, QT has earned that from any fan.

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52 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

I only saw it the one time during the 70mm roadshow screenings. I *hated* it. @skillzdadirectanailed it on the idea that QT’s self-indulgence is fine when it works towards the benefit of the film. It just doesn’t here.
 

What kills me about is that nearly every aspect of the film is QT at the top of his craft, but he simply enjoys the smell of his own flatulence a bit too much. Scenes run too long for no good reason. Dialogue gets too verbose even by QTs standard. The film is gorgeous, particularly the exterior work, and then he leans in to this boring single room setting all while touting the large format film and classic lenses he used.

 

Still need to revisit it, QT has earned that from any fan.

Well thanks.  That sums up my feelings better than I could have written it out.  Except that I really have no desire to revisit it.

 

I do like re-watching the short clip of the guitar getting smashed.  The looks on faces when they are all horrified that Kurt smashed the real guitar on accident are... much like the guitar - priceless.

 

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16 minutes ago, number305 said:

I do like re-watching the short clip of the guitar getting smashed.  The looks on faces when they are all horrified that Kurt smashed the real guitar on accident are... much like the guitar - priceless.

 

 LMAO, I had never seen that. Amazing!

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1 hour ago, number305 said:

Well thanks.  That sums up my feelings better than I could have written it out.  Except that I really have no desire to revisit it.

 

I do like re-watching the short clip of the guitar getting smashed.  The looks on faces when they are all horrified that Kurt smashed the real guitar on accident are... much like the guitar - priceless.

 

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4 hours ago, number305 said:

Well thanks.  That sums up my feelings better than I could have written it out.  Except that I really have no desire to revisit it.

 

I do like re-watching the short clip of the guitar getting smashed.  The looks on faces when they are all horrified that Kurt smashed the real guitar on accident are... much like the guitar - priceless.

 

I remember noticing her reaction and just thinking it was really good acting :p

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21 hours ago, Bloodporne said:

I really liked it although I somehow managed to pay less attention to the actual plot and whodunnit than the beautiful, cozy setting. 

 

I've been meaning to re-watch it via the Netflix episodic version, does it actually feature a decent amount of extra content or what's the deal with that version? Don't know anything about it.

 

The "extended" version on Netflix is simply an even longer version of the Roadshow version of the film Tarantino released in some theaters (which was 20 minutes longer). The version on Netflix is 40 minutes longer than the theatrical cut, so it's a good bit more footage. I haven't seen it yet (but want to).

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41 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

The "extended" version on Netflix is simply an even longer version of the Roadshow version of the film Tarantino released in some theaters (which was 20 minutes longer). The version on Netflix is 40 minutes longer than the theatrical cut, so it's a good bit more footage. I haven't seen it yet (but want to).

Ehhh, not sure what to think of that but hey, at least it's episodic. I'll probably watch it at some point of this no doubt miserably long fucking winter about to descend on me. 

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5 hours ago, sblfilms said:

I only saw it the one time during the 70mm roadshow screenings. I *hated* it. @skillzdadirectanailed it on the idea that QT’s self-indulgence is fine when it works towards the benefit of the film. It just doesn’t here.
 

What kills me about is that nearly every aspect of the film is QT at the top of his craft, but he simply enjoys the smell of his own flatulence a bit too much. Scenes run too long for no good reason. Dialogue gets too verbose even by QTs standard. The film is gorgeous, particularly the exterior work, and then he leans in to this boring single room setting all while touting the large format film and classic lenses he used.

 

Still need to revisit it, QT has earned that from any fan.

Honestly I think it's gotten worse the older he's gotten and the more powerful he's become. Also once his editor passed away then there's literally no one to really reign him in. Lack of an editor the a director trusts or a producer with the clout to really say NO to the director can actually hurt the director and their work. 

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