~~ PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT! || Millions of Impeaches, Impeaches for Me || House Impeachment Hearings OT ~~

[mclumber1]

There will be at least 1 (former) GOP vote:  Rep. Amash.  Hopefully more follow suit, but I won't hold my breath.

[Jason]

 

[Jwheel86]

When do the Pelosi is a political genius articles start?

[atom631]

playing devils advocate here...but what if trumps tactic actually forced the investigation that did find Biden used his political power to help his son? 
 

what happens then? Hypothetically speaking. 

[chakoo]

2 minutes ago, atom631 said:

playing devils advocate here...but what if trumps tactic actually forced the investigation that did find Biden used his political power to help his son? 
 

what happens then? Hypothetically speaking. 

We kill a few more shit birds with the same stone?

[thewhyteboar]

26 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said:

When do the Pelosi is a political genius articles start?

If impeachment actually happens, it'll be because of Pelosi firmly leading...from behind. 

[thewhyteboar]

4 minutes ago, atom631 said:

playing devils advocate here...but what if trumps tactic actually forced the investigation that did find Biden used his political power to help his son? 
 

what happens then? Hypothetically speaking. 

I don't think anyone would care if Biden went down. If Biden did something corrupt or against the law then he should be punished. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

41 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Someone needs to get ghouliani under oath, and if he refuses, inherent contempt. 

 

That would be worth it.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 hour ago, thewhyteboar said:

Something could actually be happening. 

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Profile in courage

 

[Jason]

Oh god maybe Bolton really is the whistleblower.

 

 

[Reputator]

lol @ the people on Twitter already saying he's getting impeached.

 

[thewhyteboar]

9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Profile in courage

 

Rubio always looks like a sweaty used car salesman who got caught by the boss for falsifying paperwork. A leader he is not.

[thewhyteboar]

There's not a single Republican who isn't a cowardly corrupt piece of shit.

[Littleronin]

2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Someone needs to get ghouliani under oath, and if he refuses, inherent contempt. 

 

That would be worth it.

I don't think Giuliani can refuse an opportunity to talk. The bigger question is how many time can he commit perjury in the same thought.  

[Jason]

4 hours ago, Littleronin said:

I don't think Giuliani can refuse an opportunity to talk. The bigger question is how many time can he commit perjury in the same thought.  

 

[SaysWho?]

7 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Profile in courage

 

 

Thank you for your input, little marco (not even capitalizing your name)

[thewhyteboar]

 

[Signifyin(g)Monkey]

9 hours ago, Massdriver said:

Any chance you could summarize it? I don’t have a subscription. 

Here’s the key portion; the latter half of the article talks about the details of what we know about the call:

 

Quote

The reason this scandal rises above the level of Mr Trump’s others is that, on the face of it, the president appears to have acted against America’s national interest—by freezing aid to a vulnerable ally—in order to pursue a vendetta against a political rival at home. If the administration suggested that the military aid would come if Ukraine’s government investigated the younger Mr Biden—if you give us the dirt we give you the guns—that would be tantamount to extortion.

Even without such an explicit assurance, it looks as if the president failed to put America first, and also used taxpayers’ money to put pressure on a foreign government to produce material that would help his re-election campaign. If in 2015 Barack Obama had given the government of Azerbaijan the impression that American aid was contingent on digging up dirt on Mr Trump’s property deals there, would that have been a betrayal of the trust that America put in him? Yes it would.

That is why more Democratic members of the House of Representatives are now talking about impeachment. There are three groups: the convinced impeachers, who have argued for getting rid of Mr Trump almost from day one; the House leadership, which believes that impeaching Mr Trump in the House and then seeing him acquitted in the Senate (where Republicans have a majority) would be a political own-goal; and the reluctant impeachers, who are willing to believe that impeachment is not in their narrow political interests but believe that to duck impeachment because it is politically inconvenient would be to shirk the role the founders gave to Congress. This is the group to watch closely over the next few days.

As for the Senate, the numbers lined up against any possible impeachment trial are still stacked in Mr Trump’s favour. The Hunter Biden story is hugely helpful for Mr Trump and gives Republicans another genuine scandal to talk about when the subject of Ukraine comes up. Because that the vice-president’s son, who does not know a great deal about hydrocarbons, sat on the board of a Ukrainian gas company, drawing a salary of as much as $50,000 a month, while his father was not just the sitting vice-president but was responsible for the White House’s Ukraine policy was, if not illegal, then the kind of misjudgment that only seems normal for those who have grown accustomed to the cash-for-influence industry in Washington, DC. In moral terms, what Hunter Biden did or did not do in Ukraine has nothing to do with whether the president offered the president of Ukraine guns for “oppo research”. In political terms, the two are linked.

That leaves American politics in a bind. The president may have abused his office. Yet if he has, nothing much can be done about it. Even if the numbers change and the House votes to impeach, Mr Trump would probably be exonerated in the Senate. Mr Trump would be unimpeachable. The glimmer of light is that the scrutiny Mr Trump is being subjected to now over his dealings with Ukraine might make him think twice about doing something similar in the future.

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Shining a light on Hunter Biden, the son of the vice president at the time, is not a good move for the GOP, when the daughters and sons of the current president very much profit from government largesse and favor currying from other Republicans (in and out of government) and foreign leaders. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

 

 

There is no standard, Judd.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Just now, sblfilms said:

 

There is no standard, Judd.

It's what Republicans are going to hang their hat on though, which is a terrible, terrible prescient

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Even this invertebrate is coming around

 

[Jason]

Trump Blames Europe for His Delay of Ukraine Aid https://nyti.ms/2mLAdAD

[skillzdadirecta]

11 hours ago, atom631 said:

playing devils advocate here...but what if trumps tactic actually forced the investigation that did find Biden used his political power to help his son? 
 

what happens then? Hypothetically speaking. 

narrator: it didn't. The timeline doesn't add up. let's please not play the but her emails game again.

[ort]

Any republican who hasn't been an out-in-the-open anti-trumper is a total hypocritical piece of shit whose opinion will hold no value for the rest of time.

 

Like, seriously, if you lined up behind Trump you're a fucking joke, now and forever. This goes for every single one.

 

You knew what the fuck Trump was and what he stood for, and you accepted him into your party. You accepted him as the leader and face of your party. That's on you. Forever. You're a fool and will forever be treated like a fool. You did this to this country and his crimes are your crimes.

[thewhyteboar]

Gabbard is fucking terrible.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

ShEs ThE bEsT cAnDiDaTe

[skillzdadirecta]

34 minutes ago, Jason said:

Trump Blames Europe for His Delay of Ukraine Aid https://nyti.ms/2mLAdAD

 

I just saw that... he's basically trying to cover his ass now that it is coming out that he ordered the Ukraine aid to be delayed with an excuse that will resonate with his base. Everything he does and says is to placate and maintain the support of his base. He knows that he's toast without them.

[Reputator]

10 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 

I just saw that... he's basically trying to cover his ass now that it is coming out that he ordered the Ukraine aid to be delayed with an excuse that will resonate with his base. Everything he does and says is to placate and maintain the support of his base. He knows that he's toast without them.

 

And he's created an environment (shell?) in which only his word is what his supporters believe. The ultimate, cyclical echo chamber. Worse, he's set up a scenario in which he can carry out criminal acts in the highest office and not only get away with it, but make it harmful for anyone to attack him for it. It's basically a caucasion mafia ring.

 

To be clear, I do think following through with impeachment proceedings will likely be harmful for Democrats. Trump can spin this any way he wants, especially with an exoneration.

[skillzdadirecta]

6 minutes ago, Reputator said:

 

And he's created an environment (shell?) in which only his word is what his supporters believe. The ultimate, cyclical echo chamber. Worse, he's set up a scenario in which he can carry out criminal acts in the highest office and not only get away with it, but make it harmful for anyone to attack him for it. It's basically a caucasion mafia ring.

 

To be clear, I do think following through with impeachment proceedings will likely be harmful for Democrats. Trump can spin this any way he wants, especially with an exoneration.

 

It may be... but again, that would just be a reflection on the electorate at this point. The fact that Trump is where he is and is doing what he's doing is a reflection on WE THE PEOPLE. Trump isn't a political genius. He's not ANY kind of genius. He's just a guy who has weaponized xenophobia and ignorance and has absolutely NO scruples about it. He's more of a symptom of the times we live in than the actual disease. We had been building to Trump for awhile with folks like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman and Joe The Plumber and we finally got him.

[Jason]

12 minutes ago, Reputator said:

To be clear, I do think following through with impeachment proceedings will likely be harmful for Democrats. Trump can spin this any way he wants, especially with an exoneration.

 

1. Not impeaching will do a ton to suppress Democratic turnout.

2. Trump is already using not being impeached as exoneration.

 

The GOP base will believe literally anything Trump and Fox tells them and we know Trump and Fox will just make shit up. Who cares if we're giving them ammunition when they'll just invent the ammunition regardless?

[Jason]

oh ffs

 

 

[Reputator]

16 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 

It may be... but again, that would just be a reflection on the electorate at this point. The fact that Trump is where he is and is doing what he's doing is a reflection on WE THE PEOPLE. Trump isn't a political genius. He's not ANY kind of genius. He's just a guy who has weaponized xenophobia and ignorance and has absolutely NO scruples about it. He's more of a symptom of the times we live in than the actual disease. We had been building to Trump for awhile with folks like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman and Joe The Plumber and we finally got him.

 

I'd never call Trump a genius at anything, but one thing he seems to love doing is pushing the edge of what he can get away with. And with the Presidency, he found a veritable playground. He's placed people in positions of power around himself to cover further acts of illegality. He's incessantly pounded into his base's ears that everything negative said about him is a lie. He can make his own ridiculous claims with complete impunity. Part of that might be accidental, as he lies so much people have grown weary of correcting him. But he's gamed a system that thus far has relied on policymakers having some measure of restraint and respect for conventions, and shown how unsustainable that is.