CitizenVectron Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 So what you're saying is Trudeau has a future in American politics? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Sad to see but I actually voted early yesterday with my mom. I voted Liberal before this came to light but I still would of gone Liberal. Anyway we can keep Scheer out of the office works for me. I would of gone NDP maybe but my city is an either or 2 party city of PC or Lib. We have an NDP candidate but with the way the votes have been for them here over past election cycles. ItΒ would be like wasting a vote to help keep Scheer out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 10 hours ago, SilentWorld said: Oh Christ this wonβt matter in a week you all need to calm yourselves.Β Β Sorry.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, Jason said: Β Sorry.Β Thatβs a Canadian Response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, Jason said: Β Sorry.Β Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 Β 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Β Β The Fox News of Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 43 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Β The Fox News of Canada? Β No, but almost all major media in Canada (outside of the Toronto Star paper) has a centre-right slant, or even full-right (PostMedia papers). And they all are mostly white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Video showing Trudeau in blackface emerges Β https://globalnews.ca/news/5922861/justin-trudeau-brownface-video/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 35 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Β No, but almost all major media in Canada (outside of the Toronto Star paper) has a centre-right slant, or even full-right (PostMedia papers). And they all are mostly white. CBC is centre-left (or full left) depending on the host.Β The hosts of the National are clearly not primarily white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: CBC is centre-left (or full left) depending on the host.Β The hosts of the National are clearly not primarily white. Β The CBC is the best, but even still most of their reporters are white. But you are correct, they are better than the rest (and also the furthest left of the TV stations). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 White people truly are the worst. Yβall had a good run, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I've actually never really watched CBC.l News. I kind of stick with CTV News.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 So far it seems that all of the major ethnic associations have come out behind Trudeau. Basically a "he's an idiot but he's not racist, and in fact has done more for immigration and refugees than any modern PM." And there is some outrage growing around white people being the ones feigning outrage. Β Strangely...Trudeau might come out of this okay because his major opponent is a know bigot.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Trump reluctant to shittalk Trudeau now that he knows Trudeau might also be racist. Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 Liberals found a video of Andrew Scheer joking about guns and saying (to gun activists) that he would take away the RCMP's ability to classify/schedule guns (for prohibited ones). They are using it to announce that military-style rilfes (like AR-15) will be completely banned in Canada: Β Β Β Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 In the first day of complete polling after the brown face photos, support for the parties remains relatively untouched: Β Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: In the first day of complete polling after the brown face photos, support for the parties remains relatively untouched: Β Β Β Who are those last three? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Who are those last three? Greens french racist/sovereignist Bloc QuΓ©bΓ©cois General racist/alt right Peoples Party Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 Β Β Definitely looking to change the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaynay1 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 So we are cool with politicians wearing black face now? I mean something that a politician did in 2000 that has been decidedly racist for decades, actually centuries now is cool? Really?Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Snaynay1 said: So we are cool with politicians wearing black face now? I mean something that a politician did in 2000 that has been decidedly racist for decades, actually centuries now is cool? Really?Β Β Grab 'em by the pussy.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Snaynay1 said: So we are cool with politicians wearing black face now? I mean something that a politician did in 2000 that has been decidedly racist for decades, actually centuries now is cool? Really?Β Β No one is "cool" with it, but his apology is being accepted, and we're able to recognize that he's matured in the years since, and is actively fighting for the rights of minorities. There's a difference, especially when compared to Sheer who can't even give a full answer as to if he's still a homophobe or not.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 21, 2019 Author Share Posted September 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Snaynay1 said: So we are cool with politicians wearing black face now? I mean something that a politician did in 2000 that has been decidedly racist for decades, actually centuries now is cool? Really?Β Β I don't think anyone is cool with it. I think it's more "since then he has been a world leader in helping brown refugees while his opponent hires known current anti-immigrant racists as his staff," and so Trudeau is given a "pass" in the sense that he is lesser of two evils. He's a buffoon, but out ignorance, not malice. That's not to say that ignorant racism is good, because it's not. But the alternative in Canada is a cruel bigot who will out us back decades on social and racial policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 7 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Definitely looking to change the conversation. Β Β TheGreatGamb.... er I mean Apoc will be sad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I wonder if the difference in demographics in Canada vis-Γ -vis the US is leading to the different perception in how offensive blackface is. Is blackface seen as more offensive by people of African descent (which are of a relatively small proportion of Canadian visible minorities), whereas other visible minorities aren't as bothered by it? I was surprised, after living in the US for so long, just how blasΓ© most Canadians are reacting to something that would have been a "death sentence" in the U.S. to someone's political ambitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 It's offensive to all but yes it's particularly offensive in America where it has a history of contributing to the reinforcement of the racial hierarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 54 minutes ago, Anathema- said: It's offensive to all but yes it's particularly offensive in America where it has a history of contributing to the reinforcement of the racial hierarchy. My understanding is that Blackface has a similar history in Canada. "Howard, P.S.S (2017) Blackface in Canada. Retrieved " Quote Not surprisingly, when blackface incidents occur today, they spark intense debate, with many attempting to justify it as harmless fun, and in some cases suggesting that those who are offended by it are βtoo sensitiveβ or bound by unwarranted βpolitical correctness.β Paradoxically, these claims are based upon elaborate popular Canadian mythologies that suggest (erroneously) that racism has had little relevance in its history, and that any racism there might have been has been overcome (Howard, 2017).Β Nevertheless, contemporary blackface draws quite clearly on racial tropesβfried chicken, dreadlocks, monkeys.Β At the same time, and very importantly, it draws upon the ways that blackness is conceived of in dominant Canadian discourse todayβmost notably as foreign.Β A large number of contemporary Canadian blackface incidents in Canada portray Blackness as Jamaican or otherwise not Canadian.Β This Jamicanization of blackness is conspicuous and telling when considered in comparison to contemporary blackface incidents in the United States where Blackness is most commonly represented in the βghetto partiesβ register, and demonstrates the ways in which contemporary Canadian blackface is constituted by, and helps to constitute, the ways in which blackness is understood in Canada Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 After an initial surge in support for the Conservatives (after the brown face photos were released) it looks like things are kind of moving back to where they were before: Β Β Check out the regional breakdown though: Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 The age/sex split was really counterintuitive to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Yeah I know! Their non-binary has always leaned Conservative for some reason, which has had people speculating that they might only have a sample size of 3 or 4 and just happened to get a few extra Conservatives than you would expect. It's strange that in Canada the older population tends to skew Liberal, but I think it's because they remember the heydays of the Liberal Party (Pearson, Trudeau, etc) being in the public consciousness, while people in their 30s and 40s are trying to save money in an increasingly-unfair economy. I don't completely trust Forum's breakdowns, however. Nanos has probably the best reputation, and they are showing similar national numbers but refuse to show their regional/demographic internals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 So if I want to keep Sheer out, it looks like I'll have to vote Liberal here in Ontario. The current MP of my town is Liberal.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, Brick said: So if I want to keep Sheer out, it looks like I'll have to vote Liberal here in Ontario. The current MP of my town is Liberal.Β Β In most places that will be the choice, as the NDP appear to be collapsing nationally and may only be competitive in 10-15 ridings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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