Guest Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, SimpleG said: A forced buyback is confiscation. It’s effectively eminent domain for a different type of property, and that’s not confiscation either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexy_shapiro Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Of course we should try to do everything we can to combat this issue from all side. Better gun laws. Easier access to mental health. Etc. Anytthing that can help, even if just a little, should be done. But I’m afraid that these will just be band aids over the gaping wounds of America that have been festering for decades. Something is deeply wrong with our culture, and true change is going I have to come from more than just simple policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said: Of course we should try to do everything we can to combat this issue from all side. Better gun laws. Easier access to mental health. Etc. Anytthing that can help, even if just a little, should be done. But I’m afraid that these will just be band aids over the gaping wounds of America that have been festering for decades. Something is deeply wrong with our culture, and true change is going I have to come from more than just simple policy. Unfortunately, we'll likely have to wait until after the Boomers die and then again after the Gen X folks are outnumbered by Millennials and whatever we're calling the generation after them. Those that actually went to school during this era will remember what training for school shootings is like and will likely want to do something about it for their kids. I don't want to imagine the kind of tragedy that would have to befall us to force any real cultural change earlier than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: It’s effectively eminent domain for a different type of property, and that’s not confiscation either. Yup , my bad @skillzdadirecta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Trump has emphatically declared the need for gun control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The best part is that "Sir" is his biggest tell when hes lying, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 4 hours ago, PaladinSolo said: The best part is that "Sir" is his biggest tell when hes lying, lol. I thought his biggest tell was when his mouth is moving and words are coming out of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: I thought his biggest tell was when his mouth is moving and words are coming out of it. His biggest tell is he woke up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 11:36 PM, Ghost_MH said: Unfortunately, we'll likely have to wait until after the Boomers die and then again after the Gen X folks are outnumbered by Millennials and whatever we're calling the generation after them. Those that actually went to school during this era will remember what training for school shootings is like and will likely want to do something about it for their kids. I don't want to imagine the kind of tragedy that would have to befall us to force any real cultural change earlier than that. This won’t get better with the boomers and gen xers dying off. Sure some laws may change, but you’ll still have tons of messed up people (the actually perpetrators), far more then the previous generations. Coddled, medicated (since kindergarten), adult children, Ill prepared for the “hard ships” of life. The methods of “lashing out” may change, but the “lashing out” will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 An interesting article on the decline of the serial killer. Quote There are plenty of structural explanations for the rise of reported serial murders through the 1980s. Data collection and record-keeping improved, making it easier to find cases of serial murder. Law enforcement developed more sophisticated methods of investigation, enabling police to identify linkages between cases—especially across states—that they would have otherwise ignored. The media’s growing obsession with serial killers in the 1970s and ‘80s may have created a minor snowball effect, offering a short path to celebrity. Many of today's mass shooters will cite past mass shooter's "score" when they carry out their own attacks. Hopefully mass shootings become less frequent, just as serial killings did as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: An interesting article on the decline of the serial killer. Many of today's mass shooters will cite past mass shooter's "score" when they carry out their own attacks. Hopefully mass shootings become less frequent, just as serial killings did as well. Ah, the new plan to create a safer society. Just wait for it to get better on its own. The FBI estimates there are 20-50 active serial killers in the US. Many attribute the decline in hitchhiking having an effect in decreasing the amount of serial killings. What societal behavior needs to decline decline to curb mass shootings? The complete disappearance of physical retail shopping? The elimination of all group schooling, going to a 100% home school model where each family is responsible for educating their own kids inside their own house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Ah, the new plan to create a safer society. Just wait for it to get better on its own. The FBI estimates there are 20-50 active serial killers in the US. Many attribute the decline in hitchhiking having an effect in decreasing the amount of serial killings. What societal behavior needs to decline decline to curb mass shootings? The complete disappearance of physical retail shopping? The elimination of all group schooling, going to a 100% home school model where each family is responsible for educating their own kids inside their own house? I don't know the answer on how to curb mass shootings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, mclumber1 said: An interesting article on the decline of the serial killer. Many of today's mass shooters will cite past mass shooter's "score" when they carry out their own attacks. Hopefully mass shootings become less frequent, just as serial killings did as well. Dude, at any given time there are at least 25 active serial killers operating in the U.S. THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT. I doubt that there's been a "decline in serial killers" that may be the perception but there's a lot of them out there that go unnoticed and un-caught because they prey on marginalized, vulnerable communities and a lot of times Law Enforcement doesn't even make the connection that a lot of unsolved murders are the work of the same individual especially if that person changes methods, locations and victim profiles. I don't know where the perception that there's been a decline in the serial killer population came from. If the general public knew how many of these guys are actually out there, a lot more people would be locking their doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I don't know the answer on how to curb mass shootings. If only we could figure how people commit mass shootings in the first place. Like, what weapon they’re using to do the mass shootings? Are they using bug spray? Powder? Steel chairs? Once we figure out the weapon used in these mass shootings we can solve the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, MarSolo said: If only we could figure how people commit mass shootings in the first place. Like, what weapon they’re using to do the mass shootings? Are they using bug spray? Powder? Steel chairs? Once we figure out the weapon used in these mass shootings we can solve the problem. Pistols accounted for 4 of the 8 mass shootings this year. If you want to broaden your definition of what a mass shooting is, pistols make up an overwhelming majority of these incidents. Banning ARs and AKs will not curb mass shootings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 So they’re using guns? So guns are the problem? Maybe, and this is a WILD IDEA THAT NO ONE EVER THOUGHT OF BEFORE, certain people just shouldn’t be allowed to own weapons? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Pistols accounted for 4 of the 8 mass shootings this year. If you want to broaden your definition of what a mass shooting is, pistols make up an overwhelming majority of these incidents. Banning ARs and AKs will not curb mass shootings. Only 50% of this year! ok, then ban all. Jk but kinda like shooting yourself in the foot. With a handgun of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Captain Pickle said: Only 50% of this year! ok, then ban all. Jk but kinda like shooting yourself in the foot. With a handgun of course The government can't ban them anymore than they can ban free speech. It's baked into the constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/2/2019 at 6:47 AM, SaysWho? said: Trump has emphatically declared the need for gun control. Ok, I know it’s long sgo, but wasn’t Will and Grace very successful on its own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Pistols accounted for 4 of the 8 mass shootings this year. If you want to broaden your definition of what a mass shooting is, pistols make up an overwhelming majority of these incidents. Banning ARs and AKs will not curb mass shootings. Luckily I’m all for a complete gun ban. What now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: Ok, I know it’s long sgo, but wasn’t Will and Grace very successful on its own? No you silly man... it was only successful because of Trump for reasons known only to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: The government can't ban them anymore than they can ban free speech. It's baked into the constitution. No but they CAN regulate them... like they regulate free speech. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater and claim that you're exercising your right to free speech. It's been done before... a lot of frontier town in the Old West banned firearms within city limits because of all the shootings and people largely abided the law. Also the right to vote and birth right citizenship are "baked into the constitution" too. That's not stopping conservatives from challenging BOTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: No but they CAN regulate them... like they regulate free speech. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater and claim that you're exercising your right to free speech. It's been done before... a lot of frontier town in the Old West banned firearms within city limits because of all the shootings and people largely abided the law. Also the right to vote and birth right citizenship are "baked into the constitution" too. That's not stopping conservatives from challenging BOTH. Well yeah, because brown people are the real cause of mass shootings, because white people are so mad about brown people they have no choice but to shoot children and shopping centers. The only thing we can do is do everything to ban brown people from this country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Well yeah, because brown people are the real cause of mass shootings, because white people are so mad about brown people they have no choice but to shoot children and shopping centers. The only thing we can do is do everything to ban brown people from this country. Sadly, that's not far from the actual rationale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: No but they CAN regulate them... like they regulate free speech. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater and claim that you're exercising your right to free speech. It's been done before... a lot of frontier town in the Old West banned firearms within city limits because of all the shootings and people largely abided the law. Also the right to vote and birth right citizenship are "baked into the constitution" too. That's not stopping conservatives from challenging BOTH. Not to be an ass but https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/264449/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, SimpleG said: Not to be an ass but https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/264449/. Do me a favor... go to a movie theater and yell "fire" during the showing and then when the cops show up to arrest you, show them this article. Report back to me the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Do me a favor... go to a movie theater and yell "fire" during the showing and then when the cops show up to arrest you, show them this article. Report back to me the results. You’ll most likely get trespassed and sent on your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Yeah we getting UBCs now. Hopefully it's a good version that people will actually want to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: Do me a favor... go to a movie theater and yell "fire" during the showing and then when the cops show up to arrest you, show them this article. Report back to me the results. Nothing other then management might ask me to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Hmmm perhaps private sales should be required to have a background check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: You’ll most likely get trespassed and sent on your way. OR, you'll get arrested for inciting a riot if people trample each other trying to run out of the theater... either way, there would be legal repercussions. 18 minutes ago, SimpleG said: Nothing other then management might ask me to leave. Go try it... let me know how it works out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Yeah we getting UBCs now. Hopefully it's a good version that people will actually want to use. Wanna bet? Mitch threw it back in Trump's court today which is smart for him to do. If Trump doesn't act, Mitch won't... give you three guesses what Trump is gonna do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadatog Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Wanna bet? Mitch threw it back in Trump's court today which is smart for him to do. If Trump doesn't act, Mitch won't... give you three guesses what Trump is gonna do. Keep tweeting about Deborah Messing and totally forget that 90% of the population wants UBC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: OR, you'll get arrested for inciting a riot if people trample each other trying to run out of the theater... either way, there would be legal repercussions. Go try it... let me know how it works out. You certainly could be arrested for it if the police don’t know the law, but you can’t be prosecuted for it. As a slight aside, we’ve had fire alarms go off at the theater (stupid vaping kids) and we still had to walk into each auditorium to ask people to step outside until the fire department gave the all clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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