EternallDarkness Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: You didn't say anything different than I did. All of them change. M switched genders in the 90s. 007 is a designation, not something necessarily exclusive to James Bond. Of course I said something different. JAMES BOND was the main character, always the main character. He didn't change, only the actor playing him. It wasn't Roger Moore playing James Bond, while Dalton played Doug Bagel or Daniel Craig played Salmon Humperdink. They were all playing James Bond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, EternallDarkness said: Of course I said something different. JAMES BOND was the main character, always the main character. He didn't change, only the actor playing him. It wasn't Roger Moore playing James Bond, while Dalton played Doug Bagel or Daniel Craig played Salmon Humperdink. They were all playing James Bond. You didn't; you just phrased it differently. James Bond still exists in this sequel according to the rumor; the 007 designation isn't his. You just said a new character could be 006 since the old one died; that means once the character is gone, the three digits are up for grabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, SaysWho? said: You didn't; you just phrased it differently. James Bond still exists in this sequel according to the rumor; the 007 designation isn't his. You just said a new character could be 006 since the old one died; that means once the character is gone, the three digits are up for grabs. We obviously see it different so just agree to disagree. Fleming created James Bond as 007, the movies have always been about James Bond as 007, for 60+ years 007 has = James Bond so to me giving someone else the 007 designation just feels wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, EternallDarkness said: We obviously see it different so just agree to disagree. Fleming created James Bond as 007, the movies have always been about James Bond as 007, for 60+ years 007 has = James Bond so to me giving someone else the 007 designation just feels wrong. I think a 007 movie where a woman takes the mantle and the old 007 comes out of retirement and meets her could provide a story untouched in 60+ years and really cement that the designations are the only constant in the spy world. That's my take. I don't think you're sexist at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I think a 007 movie where a woman takes the mantle and the old 007 comes out of retirement and meets her could provide a story untouched in 60+ years and really cement that the designations are the only constant in the spy world. That's my take. I don't think you're sexist at all. It very well could, doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: Strap in people. That's really all that needs to be said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, EternallDarkness said: It very well could, doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. We'll leave it at that, then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, prevail said: Everyone knows that James Bond is a white male (preferably British) and it should always stay that way. 50 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said: call me sexist all you want. James Bond should remain a guy. You want a female secret agent, fine, make an original one, even have her as part of the same world working for MI:6, make her 008 or 006. Cant we get one little morsel of shit out the way first? The article says she'd be the new 007, not a new James Bond. That doesn't even make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Reputator said: Cant we get one little morsel of shit out the way first? The article says she'd be the new 007, not a new James Bond. That doesn't even make sense. I completely get that. I never said or thought she was becoming James Bond. But to me 007 has always been and always will be James Bond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, EternallDarkness said: I completely get that. I never said or thought she was becoming James Bond. But to me 007 has always been and always will be James Bond. I quoted a post in which you literally said James Bond should remain a guy. But I realize you clarified later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I wanted Idris... male or female... meh.. why not just another agent with a different designation... its almost a thing for the sake of attention.., either way its still a better idea than the Halle Berry Jynx spin-off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Reputator said: I quoted a post in which you literally said James Bond should remain a guy. But I realize you clarified later. I guess I did, but yes that wasn't what I meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, 5timechamp said: either way its still a better idea than the Halle Berry Jynx spin-off Definitely can't argue that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, 5timechamp said: I wanted Idris... male or female... meh.. why not just another agent with a different designation... its almost a thing for the sake of attention.., either way its still a better idea than the Halle Berry Jynx spin-off One word: Brand recognition. Fuck you yes I know that's two words I just wanted to sound dramatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Mercury33 said: I’m not in favor but only cause I really wanted Idris 😔 Was really hoping for this too, tbh. Also, maybe a distinction without a difference, but they're making 007 female. Not James Bond. Edit: Didn't read the second page before posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdeaOfEvil Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 That's like saying Tilda Swinton is the new Shaft, but she isn't playing Shaft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, IdeaOfEvil said: That's like saying Tilda Swinton is the new Shaft, but she isn't playing Shaft... Was Shaft a codename? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdeaOfEvil Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Reputator said: Was Shaft a codename? You got me there, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 People saying they wanted Idris, Idris didn't want to play bond. There's an interview saying as much. As for the rest of this thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said: People saying they wanted Idris, Idris didn't want to play bond. There's an interview saying as much. As for the rest of this thread... Pretty sure Idris only said that because he didn't get the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoJoe Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Awww I was really hoping for the Idris Elba as the new 007 rumor to have been true. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 There's no guarantee that she will be in more movies than just this right? It seems like a plot point for this movie, James Bond meeting a new 007, but once Craig is officially done I don't doubt that they will find a new (male) actor for the role. So anyone worried about the sky falling can chill out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: There's no guarantee that she will be in more movies than just this right? It seems like a plot point for this movie, James Bond meeting a new 007, but once Craig is officially done I don't doubt that they will find a new (male) actor for the role. So anyone worried about the sky falling can chill out. I'll concede that is a possibility, but we're talking Hollywood ...woke Hollywood. You can't tell me the possibility of them completely ####ing up a franchise isn't well within their wheelhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 The franchise survived Roger Moore in a clown costume being chased by a southern sheriff...the franchise will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 43 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said: I'll concede that is a possibility, but we're talking Hollywood ...woke Hollywood. You can't tell me the possibility of them completely ####ing up a franchise isn't well within their wheelhouse. Hollywood isn't woke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I think some people are jumping the gun thinking that her character will be the new 007 going forward after this movie. Unless her character is really popular, I think future movies will be sticking with James Bond. As Kal mentioned though, how many times are they going to have Bond retire?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 She should be Agent 58008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Brick said: I think some people are jumping the gun thinking that her character will be the new 007 going forward after this movie. Unless her character is really popular, I think future movies will be sticking with James Bond. As Kal mentioned though, how many times are they going to have Bond retire?! I'll be the judge of who plays 007. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 10 hours ago, EternallDarkness said: I'll concede that is a possibility, but we're talking Hollywood ...woke Hollywood. You can't tell me the possibility of them completely ####ing up a franchise isn't well within their wheelhouse. lul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 14 hours ago, EternallDarkness said: call me sexist all you want. James Bond should remain a guy. You want a female secret agent, fine, make an original one, even have her as part of the same world working for MI:6, make her 008 or 006. james Bond is a guy, shes playing agent 007, not Bond. Read the article. Craig will be in this as James Bond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 It is getting hard to get worked up over stunt casting anymore. It's the 2019 way to grab headlines for a couple days. Idris would have been great... who knew that when the time came to change up 007 he would not be a shocking enough selection to make the cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Welp, as I keep saying, believe people when they tell you who they are. Anyone who speaks subtext knows what I mean. I think this thread has borne that out pretty clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 46 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: james Bond is a guy, shes playing agent 007, not Bond. Read the article. Craig will be in this as James Bond. Yes, and if you'd read all my posts you'd see that to me 007 will always be James Bond. After 60+ years anyone else as 007 is just wrong to me. But hey, that's me. I am sure plenty of others will feel different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nublood Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I mean, has stunt casting ever worked out well for an established movie franchise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, EternallDarkness said: Yes, and if you'd read all my posts you'd see that to me 007 will always be James Bond. After 60+ years anyone else as 007 is just wrong to me. But hey, that's me. I am sure plenty of others will feel different. I had only read the first page when I replied. I kinda agree with you, but at the same time I don't care at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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