Jason Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2019/06/woman-indicted-in-shooting-death-of-her-unborn-child-charges-against-shooter-dismissed.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Murica! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 If only the Fetus had a gun to protect itself . . . and I guess developed hands help too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 seems about right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 The shooter was found to have acted in self defense, while the mother was the instigator and persistent aggressor of the fight. Not sure the issue here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: The shooter was found to have acted in self defense, while the mother was the instigator and persistent aggressor of the fight. Not sure the issue here. It doesn’t say what the mother did except that she instigated and continued the fight. It’s entirely possible this was a fist fight until the one woman pulled out a gun. But because her fetus died, she’s being charged with murder. I think that’s a clear example of over charging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, SilentWorld said: It doesn’t say what the mother did except that she instigated and continued the fight. It’s entirely possible this was a fist fight until the one woman pulled out a gun. But because her fetus died, she’s being charged with murder. I think that’s a clear example of over charging. Many states have fetal murder laws. Scott Peterson was charged with double homicide in California when he murdered his wife and unborn child. In California. I think he receive the death penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: It doesn’t say what the mother did except that she instigated and continued the fight. It’s entirely possible this was a fist fight until the one woman pulled out a gun. But because her fetus died, she’s being charged with murder. I think that’s a clear example of over charging. “She instigated and continued the fight” is the whole issue She is being charged with manslaughter, not murder. The point is that her actions led to the death of the child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 A fetus isn’t a person, so this doesn’t count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chris- said: A fetus isn’t a person, so this doesn’t count. It does in many states. Including blue states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 "Uppity woman brought this on herself." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Ok I misread I thought she was being charged with murder. I still think it’s absurd. Is there anywhere else in the WORLD where a pregnant woman would get charged with manslaughter for getting into a fistfight and losing her pregnancy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, SilentWorld said: Ok I misread I thought she was being charged with murder. I still think it’s absurd. Is there anywhere else in the WORLD where a pregnant woman would get charged with manslaughter for getting into a fistfight and losing her pregnancy? Most of Latin America, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: Ok I misread I thought she was being charged with murder. I still think it’s absurd. Is there anywhere else in the WORLD where a pregnant woman would get charged with manslaughter for getting into a fistfight and losing her pregnancy? Most of Europe until 15-20 years ago criminalized harming unborn children, with the exception abortion. But as the push for personhood laws began, many countries stripped all protections of unborn children from their laws to stop what they viewed as a back door into recriminalizing abortion. If a person walked up to a pregnant woman and punched her in the stomach causing the fetus to die, should they only be charged with a simple assault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Most of Europe until 15-20 years ago criminalized harming unborn children, with the exception abortion. But as the push for personhood laws began, many countries stripped all protections of unborn children from their laws to stop what they viewed as a back door into recriminalizing abortion. If a person walked up to a pregnant woman and punched her in the stomach causing the fetus to die, should they only be charged with a simple assault? yEs beCAUse iT Is jUSt a bUncH of CElLs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 A fetus at different stages has different so called rights just like a person born has different rights (and privileges!) depending on age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: A fetus at different stages has different so called rights just like a person born has different rights (and privileges!) depending on age. And different rights depending on whether the mother wants the child or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, sblfilms said: And different rights depending on whether the mother wants the child or not. Absolutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 I would be very surprised if there’s even a single example of a woman in Western Europe 20+ years ago being charged with manslaughter because someone else punched her/shot her etc in the stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: I would be very surprised if there’s even a single example of a woman in Western Europe 20+ years ago being charged with manslaughter because someone else punched her/shot her etc in the stomach. It isn’t a particularly common occurrence, and prosecutions are even more rare. Most often it happens in DV cases which practically never get prosecuted because DV victims rarely will testify against their partner/family member. The situations most likely to be prosecuted were things like DUI crashes that caused a miscarriage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Are people (or one person here) seriously comparing this to abortion? FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: Are people (or one person here) seriously comparing this to abortion? FFS. Nobody is, Apoc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: If a person walked up to a pregnant woman and punched her in the stomach causing the fetus to die, should they only be charged with a simple assault? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, sblfilms said: Nobody is, Apoc. Who is Apoc and whats wrong with you? and 44 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: yEs beCAUse iT Is jUSt a bUncH of CElLs This guy seems to be. All through this thread he's making the argument that if abortion is legal it's not murder. Its fucking ridiculous. Like your opinions on the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Yes. Always be you, my friend 5 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: Who is Apoc and whats wrong with you? and This guy seems to be. All through this thread he's making the argument that if abortion is legal it's not murder. Its fucking ridiculous. Like your opinions on the border. I am pretty sure Mclumber is just making a joke, but I could be misreading him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/marshae-jones-alabama-woman-indicted-for-death-of-her-fetus-won-t-be-prosecuted/ar-AADOcXc?ocid=AMZN Quote An Alabama prosecutor announced Wednesday that she will not prosecute Marshae Jones, the Alabama woman charged in the death of her fetus after she was shot in the stomach. "There are no winners in this case, only losers in the sad ordeal," Jefferson County District Attorney Lynneice Washington said at a press conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucoe Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 12:09 PM, SilentWorld said: It doesn’t say what the mother did except that she instigated and continued the fight. It’s entirely possible this was a fist fight until the one woman pulled out a gun. But because her fetus died, she’s being charged with murder. I think that’s a clear example of over charging. Yeah, but it's no different in circumstances where some guy steals a pen from a bank, ,runs before a cop shows up, the cop pulls his gun and accidentally shoots another cop. The guy who stole the pen will most likely be charged with murder. Our justice system is so, um, justice-like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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