Bacon Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 A Sixty Dollar Game Boy™ game can't even run properly on modern consoles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Crap it's dead guys. Might have to wait until next week. My prescription plan is screwing me on my medicine and I may have to pay out of pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris- said: Hm, from what it sounds like, the framerate is only an issue if you're a huge fuckin' nerd. Thankfully I'm not a dweeb like the rest of you, so I don't foresee any framerate issues. I don’t play Dungeons & Dragons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Alright, got my Gunnars on now. Can't see any framerate problems. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameDadGrant Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Xbob42 said: The game is a disaster in terms of performance in certain spots, fairly predictable, but also at random on top of that? It frankly makes no sense and if I had to guess I'd chalk it up to streaming data or something over raw power, as the frame rate will shoot right back up after a couple seconds... Come to think of it, maybe it's some weird vsync issue? Like the load makes the frame dip for a second, which causes a multi second disaster as the vsync drops to 30 then back up? It theoretically seems patch-able based on what little I've seen and my laymen's understanding, but it's still shameful considering the 3DS pulled off 60 FPS in 3D for crying out loud with Link Between Worlds, which honestly aside from some specular highlights to make things look a little clay like and a blatant abuse of tilt shift, looked pretty damn similar to this game in many ways. In 2013. On a handheld even older than that. While rendering the game twice. On a system half the Switch's size. 3DS = Nintendo’s most powerful hardware, ever. CONFIRMED! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 On the flipside, the animation of Link's little slappy feet while using the Pegasus boots (and the sound design) might be one of the cutest fucking things ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I’m surprised there’s no day one patch for this mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I cleared the second dungeon and did a little exploring the areas i already went to with my new abilities. so I’m not that far in (maybe 2-3hrs?). So far i really haven’t seen any major issues? Nothing nearly as bad as everyone in here is saying. maybe I’m just not far enough in? fwiw - I’m on the newer switch and playing off the cartridge. on that note- how do i transfer the game from the cartridge to the internal memory? Any risk of losing my saves? I haven’t signed up for the Nintendo subscription yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, atom631 said: I cleared the second dungeon and did a little exploring the areas i already went to with my new abilities. so I’m not that far in (maybe 2-3hrs?). So far i really haven’t seen any major issues? Nothing nearly as bad as everyone in here is saying. maybe I’m just not far enough in? fwiw - I’m on the newer switch and playing off the cartridge. on that note- how do i transfer the game from the cartridge to the internal memory? Any risk of losing my saves? I haven’t signed up for the Nintendo subscription yet. Curious are you playing docked or handheld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Biggie said: Curious are you playing docked or handheld? Mostly handheld. But i did play a little docked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Xbob42 said: The game is a disaster in terms of performance in certain spots, fairly predictable, but also at random on top of that? It frankly makes no sense and if I had to guess I'd chalk it up to streaming data or something over raw power, as the frame rate will shoot right back up after a couple seconds... Come to think of it, maybe it's some weird vsync issue? Like the load makes the frame dip for a second, which causes a multi second disaster as the vsync drops to 30 then back up? It theoretically seems patch-able based on what little I've seen and my laymen's understanding, but it's still shameful considering the 3DS pulled off 60 FPS in 3D for crying out loud with Link Between Worlds, which honestly aside from some specular highlights to make things look a little clay like and a blatant abuse of tilt shift, looked pretty damn similar to this game in many ways. In 2013. On a handheld even older than that. While rendering the game twice. On a system half the Switch's size. It's apparently double buffered instead of triple buffered V-sync, so any frames that drop below 60 even for a split second - or a frame that without V-sync would produce something like 55 fps - will automatically go all the way down to 30. G-sync/Freesync are going to be so good for next gen consoles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPDunks4 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I'm probably the least picky person when it comes to Framerates, and I could tell immediately walking out the damn house right when you start. It's all over. It's not gonna ruin the game for me, but it's definitely very noticeable and a bit distracting from what is otherwise such a beautifully looking world. I have it saved to a SD card and play only docked. Also, that damn Zelda music, I love this series theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 @atom631 Opened the Switch? Have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, crispy4000 said: @atom631 Opened the Switch? Have fun! I did. The Zelda hype got to me. I also picked up astral chain to play next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Haven’t really noticed any frame problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 4 hours ago, JPDunks4 said: I'm probably the least picky person when it comes to Framerates, and I could tell immediately walking out the damn house right when you start. It's all over. It's not gonna ruin the game for me, but it's definitely very noticeable and a bit distracting from what is otherwise such a beautifully looking world. I think the only people who "don't notice" at this point are those who think Control on the base PS4 runs "just fine." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Xbob42 said: I think the only people who "don't notice" at this point are those who think Control on the base PS4 runs "just fine." Does it break the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Biggie said: Does it break the game? Does a homeless man taking a shit into your mouth end your life? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I’m past the 3rd dungeon now and I really haven’t noticed anything jarring at all. There’s been less than a handful of times where it stuttered for a second at most. ive been playing a ton of battlefield V which is a huge fucking mess with frame rate issues. I’m experiencing nothing like that. the only thing else i can add is that apart from this being a brand new switch, the only thing installed is the dragon quest xi demo and the snes app. I had the contra demo and daemon x machina demos installed. I played them and deleted them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclyp Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I just got to the second dungeon and so far haven’t noticed any performance issues. I totally believe they exist, but I truly haven’t noticed them yet. I was playing in a somewhat distracted environment, but personally I’m not super attuned to catching performance issues. Just for whatever that’s worth if anyone is on the fence solely because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Biggie said: Does it break the game? 1 hour ago, Xbob42 said: Does a homeless man taking a shit into your mouth end your life? Wow really? I ask a legit question about the games performance and this is your response? And on top of that one of D1P’s mods actually reacts to it as something funny. Both of you are pieces of fucking shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Biggie said: Wow really? I ask a legit question about the games performance and this is your response? And on top of that one of D1P’s mods actually reacts to it as something funny. Both of you are pieces of fucking shit. You sure took what was clearly a joke reply extremely seriously. No, it doesn't break the game, but it can cause dropped inputs at inopportune times. And pretty much any time you load in or out of a stage you can expect a few seconds of bad framerate, with exceptionally bad stuff in very specific parts, like the area near the town, where there's a heart piece surrounded by holes. That place will ALWAYS chunk up when you run through it. I'll probably take a few quick videos showing how predictable and obvious it is. You don't even need a framerate counter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Paperclyp said: I just got to the second dungeon and so far haven’t noticed any performance issues. I totally believe they exist, but I truly haven’t noticed them yet. I was playing in a somewhat distracted environment, but personally I’m not super attuned to catching performance issues. Just for whatever that’s worth if anyone is on the fence solely because of that. ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Xbob42 said: You sure took what was clearly a joke reply extremely seriously. No, it doesn't break the game, but it can cause dropped inputs at inopportune times. And pretty much any time you load in or out of a stage you can expect a few seconds of bad framerate, with exceptionally bad stuff in very specific parts, like the area near the town, where there's a heart piece surrounded by holes. That place will ALWAYS chunk up when you run through it. I'll probably take a few quick videos showing how predictable and obvious it is. You don't even need a framerate counter. Def take a video. I’d love to compare and see if I’m experiencing the same thing and just not noticing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, atom631 said: Def take a video. I’d love to compare and see if I’m experiencing the same thing and just not noticing it. I just took one, 30 seconds full of drops left and right, but since the drops appear to be near 30ish from 60, and it appears the Switch records at 30... it's just a video at 30 FPS where you can barely notice. There a way to record this at a higher frame rate or do I need a friggin' ElGato or something? I guess I could get real dumb and use my phone's high speed recording but that would just be silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: I just took one, 30 seconds full of drops left and right, but since the drops appear to be near 30ish from 60, and it appears the Switch records at 30... it's just a video at 30 FPS where you can barely notice. There a way to record this at a higher frame rate or do I need a friggin' ElGato or something? I guess I could get real dumb and use my phone's high speed recording but that would just be silly. Would using your cellphone to record video at 60fps work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, atom631 said: Would using your cellphone to record video at 60fps work? Yes, it did, but boy is it tricky without anything to set my phone up on. Basically had to hold it with one hand and just run around with the other, fell into a pit twice just because I couldn't reach the jump button in time. I think by the end of the video it had drifted up to where you're only seeing half the screen. Real professional stuff here. I'll try again in a bit when someone can hold it for me or I can figure out how to prop it up to record from my monitor. Until them, I'm sure the Digital Foundry video probably covers it very well. This isn't some hard-to-find issue, it plagues every single screen of the game. Although I guess if you're used to garbage frame rates, it'll seem normal or even really good since it actually goes back up to 60ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 29 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: Yes, it did, but boy is it tricky without anything to set my phone up on. Basically had to hold it with one hand and just run around with the other, fell into a pit twice just because I couldn't reach the jump button in time. I think by the end of the video it had drifted up to where you're only seeing half the screen. Real professional stuff here. I'll try again in a bit when someone can hold it for me or I can figure out how to prop it up to record from my monitor. Until them, I'm sure the Digital Foundry video probably covers it very well. This isn't some hard-to-find issue, it plagues every single screen of the game. Although I guess if you're used to garbage frame rates, it'll seem normal or even really good since it actually goes back up to 60ish. At 6:38 in this DF video is this what you’re seeing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPDunks4 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Those saying your not having issues, you playing docked, physical copy, not much on your Switch? I can't imagine someone not noticing it. I hardly notice framerate issues ever, but this is just smacking me in the face left and right. I actually streamed it the first night I was playing. It's not edited at all so its just like 30 minutes of me playing, but pretty damn often you can see the screen completely stuttering badly. It's not my capture equipment or anything, cause you can see my Borderlands 3 stuff below that is just fine. https://mixer.com/JPDunks?vod=9_9hOYWiHUq2bAGHfVng4w 31:20 is an example that is pretty much what I'm seeing pretty often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Yes, but on literally every single screen of the game. It never stays at 60 (or however close to 60 it is, feels like 60 though) for more than maybe 15-20 seconds, tops. So the framerate is constantly cutting itself in half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Just now, JPDunks4 said: Those saying your not having issues, you playing docked, physical copy, not much on your Switch? I can't imagine someone not noticing it. I hardly notice framerate issues ever, but this is just smacking me in the face left and right. I actually streamed it the first night I was playing. It's not edited at all so its just like 30 minutes of me playing, but pretty damn often you can see the screen completely stuttering badly. It's not my capture equipment or anything, cause you can see my Borderlands 3 stuff below that is just fine. https://mixer.com/JPDunks?vod=9_9hOYWiHUq2bAGHfVng4w Yeah, I skipped around a couple times in your video and it was there EVERY SINGLE TIME I scrubbed to a new position. It's unacceptable. A drop of a few frames from like 60 to 50 is a little blip, but this is just the framerate being obliterated constantly. And it gets worse later as screens get busier and you start using the Pegasus boots to sprint through areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, JPDunks4 said: Those saying your not having issues, you playing docked, physical copy, not much on your Switch? I can't imagine someone not noticing it. I hardly notice framerate issues ever, but this is just smacking me in the face left and right. I actually streamed it the first night I was playing. It's not edited at all so its just like 30 minutes of me playing, but pretty damn often you can see the screen completely stuttering badly. It's not my capture equipment or anything, cause you can see my Borderlands 3 stuff below that is just fine. https://mixer.com/JPDunks?vod=9_9hOYWiHUq2bAGHfVng4w 31:20 is an example that is pretty much what I'm seeing pretty often. Holy shit. I just watched the first 9 minutes of your stream and then I FF to your example at 31:20. I am seeing NOTHING like that at all. Not even a little bit. I don’t know if I could even play the game like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I'm not getting those huge stutters (so far) as much as I'm getting big frame rate drops. I took a minute and a half long video and like 80% of it was the frame rate just dying as I ran around the overworld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Xbob42 said: Does a homeless man taking a shit into your mouth end your life? It may not directly kill me but it'll definitely make me want to off myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Biggie said: Wow really? I ask a legit question about the games performance and this is your response? And on top of that one of D1P’s mods actually reacts to it as something funny. Both of you are pieces of fucking shit. Such a delicate easily-triggered snowflake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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