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3 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Yes, because we can't really fault his actions. So instead we mock his appearance.

sure you can. she wasn't who they were looking for. move on.

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1 minute ago, Iculus said:

 It's none of his business what is in the car at that point.

FAAAALLLLLLSSSSSEEEEE. The car belonged to the person with the warrant, not the driver.

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7 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Yes, because we can't really fault his actions. So instead we mock his appearance.

 

The black Capitol officer who got Romney to safety and led the mob astray was also a bit overweight, but I'd buy him a drink.

 

The whole issue frustrates me because it's probably one of the few issues where I feel that two sides are speaking past each other. And some just have ill motives and are racist, but I know some people who work crime scenes and get excited if they can prove someone's innocence. So I know there are people who really think it's a calling, but I also know that too many people die who shouldn't, whether it's Tamir Rice or George Floyd (especially the latter having known people who have gotten off drugs).

 

5 minutes ago, Iculus said:

The person with outstanding warrants wasn't in the car. It's none of his business what is in the car at that point. I'm not insulting the officer. I'm questioning why we don't have fitness requirements for a job where fitness is potentially extremely important. 

 

Fun fact about that: despite how they look, if they're passing the physical exam, then they're good.

 

I don't think it's necessarily none of his business, especially if there are other things in the car connecting the wanted man with other crimes. 

 

EDIT: Oh, there may be a misunderstanding. The car belongs to the person with outstanding warrants. It's totally his business, and he was trying to explain that to the woman.

 

Just so the point isn't lost, I'm referencing this one because it's an example of someone who was maybe too patient and was shot, but was able to save himself because he was armed. He clearly wasn't trying to kill anyone until the very last second, so I don't think disarming him would be the answer. An innocent person dying is heartbreaking, but so is an innocent cop. Let's protect both.

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Nothing that happens in the video is related to his physical fitness. It wasn’t like he was getting chased by somebody and used his gun because he couldn’t physically get away or something similar. So interesting that his physical fitness would be an issue *shrug*

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9 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

FAAAALLLLLLSSSSSEEEEE. The car belonged to the person with the warrant, not the driver.

If she had permission to use the vehicle then she is protected under the 4th amendment. 

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8 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Nothing that happens in the video is related to his physical fitness. It wasn’t like he was getting chased by somebody and used his gun because he couldn’t physically get away or something similar. So interesting that his physical fitness would be an issue *shrug*


I think one of the real tragedy is that if the Taser had worked, nobody would have been shot. 😕 It actually could have saved a life.

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I personally think it's not the worst thing to just let people go sometimes. Chase them if you want, but doing things like shooting someone because they're trying to get away isn't justified in my opinion (not that this was necessarily the case in this instance, I'm still not home so I haven't watched the video). I'd honestly be okay with some petty criminals getting away for the day rather than police executing them. People can only stay on the run for so long.

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8 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

So interesting that his physical fitness would be an issue *shrug*

not really. their mental fitness is even further behind. I can't think of a group of employees that are less capable of performing their duties than law enforcement. 

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4 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

I personally think it's not the worst thing to just let people go sometimes. Chase them if you want, but doing things like shooting someone because they're trying to get away isn't justified in my opinion (not that this was necessarily the case in this instance, I'm still not home so I haven't watched the video). I'd honestly be okay with some petty criminals getting away for the day rather than police executing them. People can only stay on the run for so long.

 

Not even dangerous criminals should be chased. Case in point, my wife's aunt was murdered a few years back. Police managed to track down one of her murderers when he was spotted in a stolen car. Highway chase ensued. I don't care what anyone says, highway chase aren't just automagically safe. Either way, he loses control of the car and plows right into a house, luckily killing nobody, but easily could have. Catching a literal murderer isn't worth killing a couple folks enjoying a movie in their livingroom.

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12 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

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Yup yup yup.

 

I think I've said it here before, but...

 

When I was 18 my buddy and I ended up giving a girl a ride home after we caught a late movie. This was before cellphones, we lent her change for a phone call but nobody picked up. When I turned onto her street, a cop parked down the road turned on his lights and pulled me over. After giving him my license, he let me know that the girl was reported missing and that she was 14. After confirming with the officer that the two of us didn't do anything physical with her (she was never asked if anything had happened) he asked me to follow them to the police station and let me keep her in my car for the ride. When we got there the officer brought her to her mom, and told us to go into their break room and help ourselves to coffee. When he was done with the girl and her mom, he came to ream me out, not because we had a missing child in my backseat, but because she could have had a gun and shot me.

 

I think about this all the time now, whenever I see someone with darker skin than mine get blown away for way less than transporting a minor who had been reported missing earlier in the day.

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Potter has worked for the department for nearly 25 years and is president of the Brooklyn Center Police Officer's Association. In that role, she has represented other officers involved in deadly shootings.

25 years and we're supposed to buy she can't tell a taser from a gun. 

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4 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Yup yup yup.

 

I think I've said it here before, but...

 

When I was 18 my buddy and I ended up giving a girl a ride home after we caught a late movie. This was before cellphones, we lent her change for a phone call but nobody picked up. When I turned onto her street, a cop parked down the road turned on his lights and pulled me over. After giving him my license, he let me know that the girl was reported missing and that she was 14. After confirming with the officer that the two of us didn't do anything physical with her (she was never asked if anything had happened) he asked me to follow them to the police station and let me keep her in my car for the ride. When we got there the officer brought her to her mom, and told us to go into their break room and help ourselves to coffee. When he was done with the girl and her mom, he came to ream me out, not because we had a missing child in my backseat, but because she could have had a gun and shot me.

 

I think about this all the time now, whenever I see someone with darker skin than mine get blown away for way less than transporting a minor who had been reported missing earlier in the day.

Reminds me of an incident when I was in high school. I driving my girlfriend and her friend in my girlfriend's car. It was a nice, newer car and they were both in the back seat drinking alcohol. Obviously we were all under 21 and I believe I was not even 18. I wasn't drinking nor did I have a drink but I was driving them to the gfs house.

 

So that's the context. I turn left on to the country road just outside of town, and the Ohio State Highway Patrol officer (a  department notoriously full of assholes) pulls me over for going left of center which was bullshit because it's a country road and it's maybe 7 feet from the median to dirt. Everyone crosses the median except when passing other cars! Anyway, I get pulled over and I'm nervous as hell, as they are freaking out in the back because they can get kicked off the volleyball team or whatever if they get cought with alcohol. So I'm nervous and talking to the patrolman and I accidently call him "ma'am" which he did not take well. "What the fuck did you say to/call me?" Or something similar came out. I was able to bullshit about how my mom would kill me if I got another ticket (I had two previous tickets because I delivered pizza, it comes with the territory) and I was ultimately able to get away with just a warning. 

 

Recently I've also come to reflect on this experience, and I can't help but think similarly to you here. What if I had darker skin and midgendered a cop to his face? Even if it was on accident. Hell, until recently I never really knew what to call what I did to him. I can't even imagine how badly this could have gone.

 

And also, seeing as how race wasn't a thing that I could perceive in an all white community, what if I was driving my shitty car and the girls were obviously from a lower class than what they were, or if they were some of my guy friends? Would I just have gotten a warning? Would the cop believe my bullshit about why I was nervous?

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

25 years and we're supposed to buy she can't tell a taser from a gun. 


I don’t know why that is difficult to buy. Watch the video. She would have to be an incredible actress to pull off the obvious shock. She also only shot one time which is normal for discharging a taser, but would be very strange if the officer thought she were holding her gun.

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

25 years and we're supposed to buy she can't tell a taser from a gun. 

I can buy not being able to immediately tell a taser from a gun. A lot of them look and feel like guns. It's precisely for that reason that her department requires that the gun and taser be located on opposite sides of the belt.

 

To piggyback on some other stories, I literally got caught burglarizing a house when I was 14 or 15. Someone saw some lights or something and called the cops.

 

We got busted coming out of the house with lights in our face and everything (and presumably guns, but I couldn't see). You know what happened? The cops drove us home. Basically made us apologize and no one pressed any charges.

 

I'm not sure what the burglary rules are in oregon. We happened to know the house we broke into was empty, and we said as much. I don't know if we would have been hit with anything serious given we were all kids. But that's one of those times where I'm like "if my skin was darker." They could have shot all of us.

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1 hour ago, cusideabelincoln said:

& Untrained civilians have the right to use guns at their discretion.

I’ll remember this if I’m ever interacting with a police officer where I’m afraid for my safety. I’ll just use my right to use a gun at my discretion and everything will be ok for me. 

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10 hours ago, Jason said:

25 years and we're supposed to buy she can't tell a taser from a gun. 

 

It's the only logical conclusion.  To believe she otherwise KNEW she pulled her gun and put on the best acting performance of her life is...incredible?  If you believe that, then what she committed was murder...And that's going to be hard sell in front of a jury.  The state would be better off charging her with manslaughter as that will be so much easier to convince a jury, and she'll spend the next 5 to 15 in state prison.

 

Charging her with murder will simply result in acquittal and she'll walk free.

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10 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Reminds me of an incident when I was in high school. I driving my girlfriend and her friend in my girlfriend's car. It was a nice, newer car and they were both in the back seat drinking alcohol. Obviously we were all under 21 and I believe I was not even 18. I wasn't drinking nor did I have a drink but I was driving them to the gfs house.

 

So that's the context. I turn left on to the country road just outside of town, and the Ohio State Highway Patrol officer (a  department notoriously full of assholes) pulls me over for going left of center which was bullshit because it's a country road and it's maybe 7 feet from the median to dirt. Everyone crosses the median except when passing other cars! Anyway, I get pulled over and I'm nervous as hell, as they are freaking out in the back because they can get kicked off the volleyball team or whatever if they get cought with alcohol. So I'm nervous and talking to the patrolman and I accidently call him "ma'am" which he did not take well. "What the fuck did you say to/call me?" Or something similar came out. I was able to bullshit about how my mom would kill me if I got another ticket (I had two previous tickets because I delivered pizza, it comes with the territory) and I was ultimately able to get away with just a warning. 

 

Recently I've also come to reflect on this experience, and I can't help but think similarly to you here. What if I had darker skin and midgendered a cop to his face? Even if it was on accident. Hell, until recently I never really knew what to call what I did to him. I can't even imagine how badly this could have gone.

 

And also, seeing as how race wasn't a thing that I could perceive in an all white community, what if I was driving my shitty car and the girls were obviously from a lower class than what they were, or if they were some of my guy friends? Would I just have gotten a warning? Would the cop believe my bullshit about why I was nervous?

If it makes you guys feel any better, I'm white and caught a concussion courtesy for driving my piece of shit car I was living in in a too-nice neighborhood to visit my girlfriend. Cops only like Good White People, they hate 'hippies' with long hair, not enough money, bad cars whatever it may be. Not nearly as much as black people but apparently enough to bury my temple into a car door frame. 

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7 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

If it makes you guys feel any better, I'm white and caught a concussion courtesy for driving my piece of shit car I was living in in a too-nice neighborhood to visit my girlfriend. Cops only like Good White People, they hate 'hippies' with long hair, not enough money, bad cars whatever it may be. Not nearly as much as black people but apparently enough to bury my temple into a car door frame. 

Hippies are the worst

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1 hour ago, Bloodporne said:

If it makes you guys feel any better, I'm white and caught a concussion courtesy for driving my piece of shit car I was living in in a too-nice neighborhood to visit my girlfriend. Cops only like Good White People, they hate 'hippies' with long hair, not enough money, bad cars whatever it may be. Not nearly as much as black people but apparently enough to bury my temple into a car door frame. 

 

You should have just spoke only in German and he would have let you off with a warning.

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24 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

You should have just spoke only in German and he would have let you off with a warning.

Cops don't like foreigners either and probably respond with violence if met with something confusing. Nope.

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6 hours ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

I’ll remember this if I’m ever interacting with a police officer where I’m afraid for my safety. I’ll just use my right to use a gun at my discretion and everything will be ok for me. 


"Self defense"

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Tasers and guns have different weights and feel to them... I'm sure she made a mistake. The point is it's a very STUPID mistake to make and a man is dead because of it. This women is a 25 year veteran and was responsible for training other officers. Her mistake is INEXCUSABLE PERIOD FULL STOP.

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They should also redesign tasers so that the grip doesn't feel identical to a pistol, that way if a cop does accidentally grab their gun instead, they can instantly, and more easily know they don't have their taser out by the feel. I'm sure there are tasers out there without a pistol grip. 

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Just now, Brick said:

They should also redesign tasers so that the grip doesn't feel identical to a pistol, that way if a cop does accidentally grab their gun instead, they can instantly, and more easily know they don't have their taser out by the feel. I'm sure there are tasers out there without a pistol grip. 

 

Or maybe mandate that tasers are always on one side of their belt, and guns on the other side.

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4 minutes ago, Brick said:

They should also redesign tasers so that the grip doesn't feel identical to a pistol, that way if a cop does accidentally grab their gun instead, they can instantly, and more easily know they don't have their taser out by the feel. I'm sure there are tasers out there without a pistol grip. 

 

Redesign guns to be actual tasers.

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2 minutes ago, marioandsonic said:

 

Or maybe mandate that tasers are always on one side of their belt, and guns on the other side.

Her department apparently already has that mandate from what I've read

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1 minute ago, marioandsonic said:

 

Or maybe mandate that tasers are always on one side of their belt, and guns on the other side.

 

The police I've seen in my area (Greater Toronto Area) have theirs on their chest. Both options would go a long way to reducing "oopsie I thought that was my taser". 

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18 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

Traffic violations (along with domestic disputes and wellness checks) should NEVER warrant the use of an armed officer.

This. De-escalation should always be top priority. As I said earlier, traffic stops only turn dangerous when the person stopped is panicking for some reason (drugs in the car, violation probation, warrant out for their arrest, etc). In those instances, they already probably aren't thinking rationally. Pointing a gun in their face is only escalating the situation.

 

The default should be "hey, calm down," not pointing a gun at them and yelling "HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM"

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