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1 hour ago, Jason said:

25 years and we're supposed to buy she can't tell a taser from a gun. 


I don’t know why that is difficult to buy. Watch the video. She would have to be an incredible actress to pull off the obvious shock. She also only shot one time which is normal for discharging a taser, but would be very strange if the officer thought she were holding her gun.

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

25 years and we're supposed to buy she can't tell a taser from a gun. 

I can buy not being able to immediately tell a taser from a gun. A lot of them look and feel like guns. It's precisely for that reason that her department requires that the gun and taser be located on opposite sides of the belt.

 

To piggyback on some other stories, I literally got caught burglarizing a house when I was 14 or 15. Someone saw some lights or something and called the cops.

 

We got busted coming out of the house with lights in our face and everything (and presumably guns, but I couldn't see). You know what happened? The cops drove us home. Basically made us apologize and no one pressed any charges.

 

I'm not sure what the burglary rules are in oregon. We happened to know the house we broke into was empty, and we said as much. I don't know if we would have been hit with anything serious given we were all kids. But that's one of those times where I'm like "if my skin was darker." They could have shot all of us.

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10 hours ago, Jason said:

25 years and we're supposed to buy she can't tell a taser from a gun. 

 

It's the only logical conclusion.  To believe she otherwise KNEW she pulled her gun and put on the best acting performance of her life is...incredible?  If you believe that, then what she committed was murder...And that's going to be hard sell in front of a jury.  The state would be better off charging her with manslaughter as that will be so much easier to convince a jury, and she'll spend the next 5 to 15 in state prison.

 

Charging her with murder will simply result in acquittal and she'll walk free.

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10 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Reminds me of an incident when I was in high school. I driving my girlfriend and her friend in my girlfriend's car. It was a nice, newer car and they were both in the back seat drinking alcohol. Obviously we were all under 21 and I believe I was not even 18. I wasn't drinking nor did I have a drink but I was driving them to the gfs house.

 

So that's the context. I turn left on to the country road just outside of town, and the Ohio State Highway Patrol officer (a  department notoriously full of assholes) pulls me over for going left of center which was bullshit because it's a country road and it's maybe 7 feet from the median to dirt. Everyone crosses the median except when passing other cars! Anyway, I get pulled over and I'm nervous as hell, as they are freaking out in the back because they can get kicked off the volleyball team or whatever if they get cought with alcohol. So I'm nervous and talking to the patrolman and I accidently call him "ma'am" which he did not take well. "What the fuck did you say to/call me?" Or something similar came out. I was able to bullshit about how my mom would kill me if I got another ticket (I had two previous tickets because I delivered pizza, it comes with the territory) and I was ultimately able to get away with just a warning. 

 

Recently I've also come to reflect on this experience, and I can't help but think similarly to you here. What if I had darker skin and midgendered a cop to his face? Even if it was on accident. Hell, until recently I never really knew what to call what I did to him. I can't even imagine how badly this could have gone.

 

And also, seeing as how race wasn't a thing that I could perceive in an all white community, what if I was driving my shitty car and the girls were obviously from a lower class than what they were, or if they were some of my guy friends? Would I just have gotten a warning? Would the cop believe my bullshit about why I was nervous?

If it makes you guys feel any better, I'm white and caught a concussion courtesy for driving my piece of shit car I was living in in a too-nice neighborhood to visit my girlfriend. Cops only like Good White People, they hate 'hippies' with long hair, not enough money, bad cars whatever it may be. Not nearly as much as black people but apparently enough to bury my temple into a car door frame. 

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7 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

If it makes you guys feel any better, I'm white and caught a concussion courtesy for driving my piece of shit car I was living in in a too-nice neighborhood to visit my girlfriend. Cops only like Good White People, they hate 'hippies' with long hair, not enough money, bad cars whatever it may be. Not nearly as much as black people but apparently enough to bury my temple into a car door frame. 

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1 hour ago, Bloodporne said:

If it makes you guys feel any better, I'm white and caught a concussion courtesy for driving my piece of shit car I was living in in a too-nice neighborhood to visit my girlfriend. Cops only like Good White People, they hate 'hippies' with long hair, not enough money, bad cars whatever it may be. Not nearly as much as black people but apparently enough to bury my temple into a car door frame. 

 

You should have just spoke only in German and he would have let you off with a warning.

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They should also redesign tasers so that the grip doesn't feel identical to a pistol, that way if a cop does accidentally grab their gun instead, they can instantly, and more easily know they don't have their taser out by the feel. I'm sure there are tasers out there without a pistol grip. 

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Just now, Brick said:

They should also redesign tasers so that the grip doesn't feel identical to a pistol, that way if a cop does accidentally grab their gun instead, they can instantly, and more easily know they don't have their taser out by the feel. I'm sure there are tasers out there without a pistol grip. 

 

Or maybe mandate that tasers are always on one side of their belt, and guns on the other side.

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4 minutes ago, Brick said:

They should also redesign tasers so that the grip doesn't feel identical to a pistol, that way if a cop does accidentally grab their gun instead, they can instantly, and more easily know they don't have their taser out by the feel. I'm sure there are tasers out there without a pistol grip. 

 

Redesign guns to be actual tasers.

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1 minute ago, marioandsonic said:

 

Or maybe mandate that tasers are always on one side of their belt, and guns on the other side.

 

The police I've seen in my area (Greater Toronto Area) have theirs on their chest. Both options would go a long way to reducing "oopsie I thought that was my taser". 

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18 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

Traffic violations (along with domestic disputes and wellness checks) should NEVER warrant the use of an armed officer.

This. De-escalation should always be top priority. As I said earlier, traffic stops only turn dangerous when the person stopped is panicking for some reason (drugs in the car, violation probation, warrant out for their arrest, etc). In those instances, they already probably aren't thinking rationally. Pointing a gun in their face is only escalating the situation.

 

The default should be "hey, calm down," not pointing a gun at them and yelling "HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM"

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28 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

De-escalation should always be top priority.

 

Remember that time some Swedish cops on vacation managed to de-escalate a fight on the subway and contain the situation until NYPD arrived without anyone even getting seriously hurt, and Americans were all "wow these guys are heroes for managing to handle this without anyone getting killed", and the Swedish cops were all "WTF are you guys talking about this is policing 101"?

 

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28 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

This. De-escalation should always be top priority. As I said earlier, traffic stops only turn dangerous when the person stopped is panicking for some reason (drugs in the car, violation probation, warrant out for their arrest, etc). In those instances, they already probably aren't thinking rationally. Pointing a gun in their face is only escalating the situation.

 

The default should be "hey, calm down," not pointing a gun at them and yelling "HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM"

 

It think that's what upset me so much about Lt. Caron Nazario's traffic stop.

 

He was the one put in a position to deescalate the police. That burden should always be on the police.

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33 minutes ago, SimpleG said:

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I mentioned this in another thread, as I was waiting for my covid shot yesterday, I was thinking I could never be a pharmacist. At my work, there are plenty of times where I charge the wrong card, give someone the wrong to go order, or cash out the wrong tab. At my work, it's not the end of the world. Pharmacists must do those same things on occasion, only they're affecting peoples medicine and people could die. I understand that's why they go to school for years, but I've been bartending for like a decade and I still fuck up sometimes. It's not that I don't know that I'm not supposed to do something, it's just that my brain slips when too much (or not enough) stuff is going on.

 

In this analogy, that's why I think cops shouldn't have lethal force during traffic stops. Their mind might slip. It happens. Then someone's dead.

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9 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

I mentioned this in another thread, as I was waiting for my covid shot yesterday, I was thinking I could never be a pharmacist. At my work, there are plenty of times where I charge the wrong card, give someone the wrong to go order, or cash out the wrong tab. At my work, it's not the end of the world. Pharmacists must do those same things on occasion, only they're affecting peoples medicine and people could die. I understand that's why they go to school for years, but I've been bartending for like a decade and I still fuck up sometimes. It's not that I don't know that I'm not supposed to do something, it's just that my brain slips when too much (or not enough) stuff is going on.

 

In this analogy, that's why I think cops shouldn't have lethal force during traffic stops. Their mind might slip. It happens. Then someone's dead.

there are far more checks in place in order to prevent pharmacists from doing this, though. 

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10 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

I mentioned this in another thread, as I was waiting for my covid shot yesterday, I was thinking I could never be a pharmacist. At my work, there are plenty of times where I charge the wrong card, give someone the wrong to go order, or cash out the wrong tab. At my work, it's not the end of the world. Pharmacists must do those same things on occasion, only they're affecting peoples medicine and people could die. I understand that's why they go to school for years, but I've been bartending for like a decade and I still fuck up sometimes. It's not that I don't know that I'm not supposed to do something, it's just that my brain slips when too much (or not enough) stuff is going on.

 

In this analogy, that's why I think cops shouldn't have lethal force during traffic stops. Their mind might slip. It happens. Then someone's dead.


In your defense, I’d like to imagine that if you knew your fuckups would kill someone in the immediate future, you’d probably be way more careful.  

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13 hours ago, MarSolo said:

Imagine being on the force for two decades and mixing up the feel of a gun and a tazer.

 

It’d be like a master chef mixing up a cucumber and a dildo.

 

13 hours ago, SimpleG said:

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I think a lot of it comes down to training. There probably a difference of hundreds of hours of training where a Police Officer draws their gun vs drawing a taser. So when tensions get high and adrenaline kicks in, the training, the muscle memory takes over. 
 

That doesn’t absolve the cops in these situations. But it also means they’re set up to have a bad outcome eventually if they’re not careful. And too many are not careful enough. 

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Saying that the reason the officer shot this man is because of a mistake, or lacked training, is not absolving the officer, at least in my opinion.  It's giving a reason why she did it, and she should be appropriately punished because she negligently/accidentally killed a man. 

 

To claim this was no accident, or that this was intentional, means this was murder, and no jury would convict her of murder, given the audio/video evidence. 

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