The Official Thread of Systemic Racism

[CitizenVectron 8,185]

8 hours ago, Ricofoley said:

 

 

Jesus fucking Christ. They went to "surveil" him, and just started opening fire when he got into his vehicle and drove away from his home because they "believed he was armed."

 

 

This was a 100% gangland revenge murder. Of the multiple officers and agencies present, what do you want to bet that none had dashcams or bodycams on?

[CitizenVectron 8,185]

US Marshals and at least three local agencies (including department of corrections?) were on the scene. Marshals report that the three local agencies opened fire first:

 

 

[CitizenVectron 8,185]

What could possibly have been an NYPD unmarked car drove through a crowd of protesters in Times Square last night. NYPD says it wasn't theirs, but it did have some equipment that they usually have (bullbar, headlamp):

 

 

Some people were hit and injured, though none seriously, it seems.

 

[CitizenVectron 8,185]

Looks like they were pro-Trump counter-protesters who were escorted into the vehicle by police:

 

 

The police literally shield them as they get into the car, and watch as the car races to the protest and then drives into it.

[Jason 14,760]

40 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

What could possibly have been an NYPD unmarked car drove through a crowd of protesters in Times Square last night. NYPD says it wasn't theirs, but it did have some equipment that they usually have (bullbar, headlamp):

 

 

Some people were hit and injured, though none seriously, it seems.

 

 

They have to specify that it's not the NYPD since the NYPD was the first to start ramming protestors with their cars.

[sblfilms 5,030]

The police report from the Jacob Blake shooting says that the woman who called 911 alleges that Blake sexually assaulted her by digital penetration prior to the arrival of the police. Once again, we can oppose racist policing without pretending this guy was a great person. Him being a good or bad guy is not relevant to whether police ought to be shooting people. 

[Chadatog 210]

2 hours ago, sblfilms said:

The police report from the Jacob Blake shooting says that the woman who called 911 alleges that Blake sexually assaulted her by digital penetration prior to the arrival of the police. Once again, we can oppose racist policing without pretending this guy was a great person. Him being a good or bad guy is not relevant to whether police ought to be shooting people. 

I don't know about this.  A master debater once told me that if you think the person was not a good guy you are wising that he got shot, raped or something horrible and totes deserved it.

[Spork3245 6,614]

Hot take: cops aren’t supposed to kill guilty people either

[sblfilms 5,030]

6 minutes ago, Chadatog said:

I don't know about this.  A master debater once told me that if you think the person was not a good guy you are wising that he got shot, raped or something horrible.

That is not at all what I said or suggested. What I did argue is that we shouldn’t downplay bad things (like sexual harassment) on people just because we dislike them. That take is perfectly consistent with this one which is that Jacob Blake being a bad guy, including likely sexually assaulting a woman for at least the second time on record in the immediate moments prior to police arriving, has no bearing on whether him being shot by the police was OK. What we shouldn’t do in the Jacob Blake case, or SHS for that matter, is to paper over the character of the person because of their victim hood in a separate scenario.

 

1 minute ago, Spork3245 said:

Hot take: cops aren’t supposed to kill guilty people either

Exactly.

[Ghost_MH 1,552]

1 minute ago, sblfilms said:

That is not at all what I said or suggested. What I did argue is that we shouldn’t downplay bad things (like sexual harassment) on people just because we dislike them. That take is perfectly consistent with this one which is that Jacob Blake being a bad guy, including likely sexually assaulting a woman for at least the second time on record, has no bearing on whether him being shot by the police was OK. What we shouldn’t do in the Jacob Blake case, or SHS for that matter, is to paper over the character of the person because of their victim hood in a separate scenario.

 

Exactly.

 

If Jacob Blake made a career of claiming there was no such thing as systemic racism and BLM is just a bunch of attention whores to an audience of a hundred million across the country...

 

It's still a terrible thing, but how should we treat the people that voted for face eating leopards, got they're faces eaten, and swear they wouldn't change a thing?

[Chadatog 210]

15 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

That is not at all what I said or suggested. What I did argue is that we shouldn’t downplay bad things (like sexual harassment) on people just because we dislike them. That take is perfectly consistent with this one which is that Jacob Blake being a bad guy, including likely sexually assaulting a woman for at least the second time on record in the immediate moments prior to police arriving, has no bearing on whether him being shot by the police was OK. What we shouldn’t do in the Jacob Blake case, or SHS for that matter, is to paper over the character of the person because of their victim hood in a separate scenario.

allegedly

[Commissar SFLUFAN 19,812]

I just want to point out that I NEVER downplay the bad things that happen to people I don't like.

 

On the contrary, I want those things to be intensified to apocalyptic levels!

[sblfilms 5,030]

51 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

If Jacob Blake made a career of claiming there was no such thing as systemic racism and BLM is just a bunch of attention whores to an audience of a hundred million across the country...

 

It's still a terrible thing, but how should we treat the people that voted for face eating leopards, got they're faces eaten, and swear they wouldn't change a thing?

This isn’t the thread for that conversation, fyi. I only responded to the mischaracterization of what I said in regards to its relationship to this post.
 

41 minutes ago, Chadatog said:

allegedly

Even this notation doesn’t matter. The whole point is if Jacob Blake is a bad guy who sexually assaults women his treatment by police is not altered for the good or bad because of it. They are separate issues. It’s not bad for police to use excessive force or behave in a racist way because the victim is a good person, it’s bad without regard for the quality of person they victimize.

[CitizenVectron 8,185]

There is a good chunk of people that believe police should just kill "bad" people. And if they turn out to be innocent, well, "mistakes happen." I know people like this.

[Keyser_Soze 10,638]

5 hours ago, sblfilms said:

The police report from the Jacob Blake shooting says that the woman who called 911 alleges that Blake sexually assaulted her by digital penetration prior to the arrival of the police. Once again, we can oppose racist policing without pretending this guy was a great person. Him being a good or bad guy is not relevant to whether police ought to be shooting people. 

 

Why you gotta call out lucian like that?

[osxmatt 1,956]

White House directs OMB to cancel any any federal contracts providing race related and diversity training, calling them “un-American propaganda.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/04/white-house-racial-sensitivity-training/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_whracetraining-915pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

[Commissar SFLUFAN 19,812]

11 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

White House directs OMB to cancel any any federal contracts providing race related and diversity training, calling them “un-American propaganda.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/04/white-house-racial-sensitivity-training/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_whracetraining-915pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

 

I'm in full agreement that anything involving "racial sensitivity" is VERY much "un-American".

[skillzdadirecta 5,934]

16 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

Hot take: cops aren’t supposed to kill guilty people either

Another hot take: folks are innocent until proven guilty in this country. 

[sblfilms 5,030]

52 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Another hot take: folks are innocent until proven guilty in this country. 

By the government, not by the court of public opinion which is what my post is about.

[marioandsonic 1,304]

3 hours ago, osxmatt said:

White House directs OMB to cancel any any federal contracts providing race related and diversity training, calling them “un-American propaganda.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/04/white-house-racial-sensitivity-training/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_whracetraining-915pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

 

[PaladinSolo 1,964]

16 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

There is a good chunk of people that believe police should just kill "bad" people. And if they turn out to be innocent, well, "mistakes happen." I know people like this.

I mean the president is one of these people.

[skillzdadirecta 5,934]

25 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

I mean the president is one of these people.

By his nieces account, he is DEFINITELY one of those people. I saw in an interview where she talked about how her grandfather flipped out when the first Italian family moved into their Queens neighborhood. Hilarious that a lot of Italians and Irish in particular now embrace the same racist attitudes they were once victims of.

[Jason 14,760]

I felt like this belongs in both threads...way to read the room on ramping up reasons for goon squads who've openly endorsed Trump to interact with restaurants, many of which in NYC will be minority-owned.

 

26 minutes ago, Jason said:

Cuomo’s Scheme to Put 4,000 Cops in NYC Restaurants Would Be a Disaster

Nothing says health and safety like heavily armed city employees notorious for not wearing masks.

 

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The city’s outdoor-dining program is slated to end October 31. Why not throw some of the police budget toward subsidized heat lamps to keep diners and workers in the open air as long as possible — maybe even all winter long? If New York dining ever does move back inside, the city needs to do everything it can to shut the cops out.

[sblfilms 5,030]

23 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

By his nieces account, he is DEFINITELY one of those people. I saw in an interview where she talked about how her grandfather flipped out when the first Italian family moved into their Queens neighborhood. Hilarious that a lot of Italians and Irish in particular now embrace the same racist attitudes they were once victims of.

It really is interesting how the last 120 years in the US have seen several ethnicities go from not-white to white, and gaining all the privileges afforded to whites here.

[Joe 3,127]

33 minutes ago, Jason said:

I felt like this belongs in both threads...way to read the room on ramping up reasons for goon squads who've openly endorsed Trump to interact with restaurants, many of which in NYC will be minority-owned.

 

 

If he actually goes through with it, I would have a huge with it, definitely. I think this is just his way of making sure indoor dining doesn't happen, though.

 

[Anathema- 4,492]

34 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

It really is interesting how the last 120 years in the US have seen several ethnicities go from not-white to white, and gaining all the privileges afforded to whites here.

 

It's happening to Hispanics before our eyes. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m 6,324]

1 hour ago, Anathema- said:

 

It's happening to Hispanics before our eyes. 

Looking forward, since there really aren't many Latino politicians on the right around here, to seeing Latino republicans tell their family story, about how their family came here the right way--the legal way-- and it turns out their family was either undocumented or was granted citizenship during the Regan administration

[SlipperySlope 2,679]

43 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Looking forward, since there really aren't many Latino politicians on the right around here, to seeing Latino republicans tell their family story, about how their family came here the right way--the legal way-- and it turns out their family was either undocumented or was granted citizenship during the Regan administration

There's plenty of conservative latinos who hate latino immigrants, it's disgusting. 

[Ghost_MH 1,552]

12 minutes ago, SlipperySlope said:

There's plenty of conservative latinos who hate latino immigrants, it's disgusting. 

 

There are so many of them from Puerto Rico. Many of the boomer generation don't really understand how they're treated as second class citizens while also not understanding how nice and easy it is for them and their families to move to the mainland compared to the rest of Latin America.

[SlipperySlope 2,679]

12 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

There are so many of them from Puerto Rico. Many of the boomer generation don't really understand how they're treated as second class citizens while also not understanding how nice and easy it is for them and their families to move to the mainland compared to the rest of Latin America.

The Mexican ones I've met are just self-hating Mexicans. 

[Joe 3,127]

55 minutes ago, SlipperySlope said:

There's plenty of conservative latinos who hate latino immigrants, it's disgusting. 

 

In the Cuban Republican facebook group I was in, many Cubans in there would get angry if you called them Latino. They consider themselves Cuban American only and not Latino.

[SlipperySlope 2,679]

2 hours ago, Joe said:

 

In the Cuban Republican facebook group I was in, many Cubans in there would get angry if you called them Latino. They consider themselves Cuban American only and not Latino.

"Latino" seems to be mostly an American construct.

[LazyPiranha 1,464]

You mean white Americans lazily lumped together a random group of ethnicities and nationalities because they have superficial similarities?  That doesn’t sound accurate.

[Joe 3,127]

16 hours ago, SlipperySlope said:

"Latino" seems to be mostly an American construct.

 

Is it though? Interesting, definitely something to investigate further. My wife's family in Mexico definitely considers themselves to be Latino.

[Zaku3 536]

Just now, Joe said:

 

Is it though? Interesting, definitely something to investigate further. My wife's family in Mexico definitely considers themselves to be Latino.

Ya it's not an American thing. Americans just group us all together as a monolith group though.