Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 The 5-4 decision broke with 50 years' worth of legal rulings that barred the states from imposing sales taxes on most of the purchases their residents make from out-of-state retailers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 The opposite ruling back in the nineties was the impetus for the start of Amazon. I expect amazon shares to get hit today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Good luck enforcing that. The big ones like Amazon will comply (if they already aren't), but small stores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Good luck enforcing that. The big ones like Amazon will comply (if they already aren't), but small stores? Sounds like there's a good business opportunity to help small businesses remain compliant with all state and local sales tax requirements. Does this apply to local sales taxes as well? Or just the state of the address being shipped to? Or the credit card address state? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Thought this was already happening in most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, outsida said: The opposite ruling back in the nineties was the impetus for the start of Amazon. I expect amazon shares to get hit today. Amazon already collects tax in all states, so this shouldn't be an issue for them. I know in Canada the government was having a really hard time collecting from them, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 No point in searching “other sellers” on Amazon now. If I buy from Amazon directly I have to pay NJ sales tax, if I find another seller located elsewhere I get the item (often still with prime shipping) without sales tax - this was a huge help when my AV receiver died a few weeks back as it was a $600 item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 They can't enforce this rule on foreign purchases can they? A lot of stuff comes from China on eBay and Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 What a mess for small online retailers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, Pikachu said: They can't enforce this rule on foreign purchases can they? A lot of stuff comes from China on eBay and Amazon. Sure can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, sblfilms said: What a mess for small online retailers. This is very much a "gift" to Amazon, etc. They may not "like" it, but they're in a VASTLY better position to deal with it than the smaller guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I have always had to pay sales tax for online purchases living in Texas. I thought this was already the case and the Texas legislature were greedy assholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 54 minutes ago, sblfilms said: What a mess for small online retailers. In Santa Monica the sales tax is 10.25%. In LA I think it's 9.5%. So at the boundary it literally depends on which side of the street you're on. In 2016 we got to vote on a county-wide tax measure where the sales tax rate went up in the City of Los Angeles but not in Santa Monica because in Santa Monica we were already at some kind of cap for what sales taxes can be. People don't realize just how much variability there is not just in the rate but what it applies to as you move around from place to place, not to mention if there's any special excise taxes or fixed-rate "half a cent per transaction" or whatever taxes that you need to account for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jwheel86 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Jason said: In Santa Monica the sales tax is 10.25%. In LA I think it's 9.5%. So at the boundary it literally depends on which side of the street you're on. In 2016 we got to vote on a county-wide tax measure where the sales tax rate went up in the City of Los Angeles but not in Santa Monica because in Santa Monica we were already at some kind of cap for what sales taxes can be. People don't realize just how much variability there is not just in the rate but what it applies to as you move around from place to place, not to mention if there's any special excise taxes or fixed-rate "half a cent per transaction" or whatever taxes that you need to account for. My sister has a small online business in California, configuring Square Space to collect the right amount was nightmare since zip code doesn't equal county. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I honestly never even think of sales tax; I always just assume it's going to be added to the transaction (even though in PA certain things aren't taxed), and I couldn't even tell you when Amazon began collecting it. If I'm buying something, the additional 7% isn't going to change my mind or really affect how I view the transaction. I think the only time I really gave a shit was when I bought my car (because for whatever reason I wasn't anticipating sales tax would apply to a vehicle purchase). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 It's nice not paying sales tax from time to time, but I rarely go out of my way to avoid it when I purchase something. I haven't read over the case, but it looks like the court was split in an odd way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Remind me the next time I buy a car to buy it from the the city with the lowest sales tax in the area and not just the closest dealership to where I live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 18 hours ago, Jason said: Let's unpack this. It is only a victory for consumers and retailers if both accept that paying taxes are a good thing. But we know that people don't like paying taxes, and retailers don't either since by not collecting it gives them an advantage over physical stores. So the only way this is a victory is if Trump thinks that taxes in general are a good idea. Which he does not. Which means this tweet is actually just him being happy that Amazon now has less of an advantage, as he hates Jeff Bezos. Except that Amazon has been collecting sales tax for a while now, and Trump remains ignorant of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 45 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Let's unpack this. It is only a victory for consumers and retailers if both accept that paying taxes are a good thing. But we know that people don't like paying taxes, and retailers don't either since by not collecting it gives them an advantage over physical stores. So the only way this is a victory is if Trump thinks that taxes in general are a good idea. Which he does not. Which means this tweet is actually just him being happy that Amazon now has less of an advantage, as he hates Jeff Bezos. Except that Amazon has been collecting sales tax for a while now, and Trump remains ignorant of this. Pretty much this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Trump doesn't hate taxes, as long as he isn't the one paying them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxick Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 This is the second major attack on American small businesses this year. The last one flew entirely under the radar of the media when international postal rates were drastically increased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 On 6/21/2018 at 7:26 PM, Jason said: What in the actual fuck? How is this good for consumers? Maybe im missing something... but are there states where amazon doesn’t charge sales tax? Here in NY we’ve been paying sales tax for goods purchased through amazon for as long as i can remember. I’m also going to suspect that the vast majority of high population states (re: the coasts) also pay the sales tax. And these states are also probably vast the majority of all sales (by a large margin). Now, there is zero incentive for me to purchase an item from a 3rd party vendor on amazon. Their prices were usually slightly higher to begin with, but a lot of time if the item is expensive enough, they can be cheaper due to not having to pay the sales tax. Allowing these smaller mom and pop shops able to compete with amazon. That’s 100% out the window now. It was always a risk buying 3rd party due to warranty issues, etc. now I’ll just buy from amazon direct. No need to even bother check the other vendors. Good job trump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 13 hours ago, atom631 said: What in the actual fuck? How is this good for consumers? Maybe im missing something... but are there states where amazon doesn’t charge sales tax? Here in NY we’ve been paying sales tax for goods purchased through amazon for as long as i can remember. I’m also going to suspect that the vast majority of high population states (re: the coasts) also pay the sales tax. And these states are also probably vast the majority of all sales (by a large margin). Now, there is zero incentive for me to purchase an item from a 3rd party vendor on amazon. Their prices were usually slightly higher to begin with, but a lot of time if the item is expensive enough, they can be cheaper due to not having to pay the sales tax. Allowing these smaller mom and pop shops able to compete with amazon. That’s 100% out the window now. It was always a risk buying 3rd party due to warranty issues, etc. now I’ll just buy from amazon direct. No need to even bother check the other vendors. Good job trump! He doesn't exactly think ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: He doesn't exactly think FTFY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 I pay taxes on Steam purchases and those aren't even physical items. Hell Chicago has been kicking around a tax on streaming services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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