General Gaming Death Stranding OT - Special Delivery, update - PC release on July 14 (Steam/EGS)

[fuckle85]

Question for anyone making the "not gonna play Death Stranding because the gameplay doesn't look fun" argument : What's your take on PT, Silent Hill 2, Grim Fandango, Killer 7, The Last Guardian and anything else loved for the story and creativity despite (arguably) bad and/or unfun gameplay?  Assuming DS at least meets expectations with its story and presentation and the gameplay, gran turismo of walking sims it may be, is crafted well enough to do it justice, does it still mean the experience as a whole can't be engaging enough to be worth playing?

[Biggie]

8 minutes ago, fuckle85 said:

Question for anyone making the "not gonna play Death Stranding because the gameplay doesn't look fun" argument : What's your take on PT, Silent Hill 2, Grim Fandango, Killer 7, The Last Guardian and anything else loved for the story and creativity despite (arguably) bad and/or unfun gameplay?  Assuming DS at least meets expectations with its story and presentation and the gameplay, gran turismo of walking sims it may be, is crafted well enough to do it justice, does it still mean the experience as a whole can't be engaging enough to be worth playing?

I’m sure that all the armchair critics of D1P haven’t played this game yet.  Amazing that somehow they have concluded it’s not good and not worth playing. These guys are amazing huh!!!

[CastlevaniaNut18]

I mean, it just doesn't look fun to me, but the story doesn't seem to appeal, either. Just nothing about this game interests me and I've got a ton else that does appeal to me that I'd rather spend money on and the time playing. 

 

Silent Hill 2 is one of my all time favorite games, too. 

[Bacon]

10 minutes ago, fuckle85 said:

Question for anyone making the "not gonna play Death Stranding because the gameplay doesn't look fun" argument : What's your take on PT, Silent Hill 2, Grim Fandango, Killer 7, The Last Guardian and anything else loved for the story and creativity despite (arguably) bad and/or unfun gameplay?  Assuming DS at least meets expectations with its story and presentation and the gameplay, gran turismo of walking sims it may be, is crafted well enough to do it justice, does it still mean the experience as a whole can't be engaging enough to be worth playing?

I have not played PT, SH2, Grim Fandango, Killer 7, or The Last Guardian. I have played Ico and hated it. I have watched others play PT and SH2 and that was really fun, but I have no desire to play them. I have no desire to play games like SOMA or Amnesia but I have watched them be beaten. I have played a few REs and Dead Space 1-2. I like those games. 

 

6 minutes ago, Biggie said:

I’m sure that all the armchair critics of D1P haven’t played this game yet.  Amazing that somehow they have concluded it’s not good and not worth playing. These guys are amazing huh!!!

You don't have to play a game to know that kind of gameplay is not what you are interested in. From what has been shown and talked about in reviews, there is nothing remotely interesting in the gameplay component. At least for me. The worst kinds of quests in RPG's are the fetch quests where all you do is go from destination A to destination B. Traversal of the environment isn't something I care about. The online mechanic is neat, where you can use other people's structures, but that isn't something that would make me play this game. The crafting of your loadout is unappealing and looks tedious. The vehicles look unfun to control, similar to the mako from the first ME. The story could be good, but I don't know. So, from what I have seen of the game, there is no reason for me to get it. Are you suggesting that, despite all the evidence that makes the game seem like it is something I would not enjoy, I should still buy it because I can't really know if I'll like the game or not without playing it? 

[SaysWho?]

I think I'm going to really enjoy it, and if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time I looked forward to a game and 'd later.

 

But sometimes it's like Days Gone where people are shitting on it and then I'm all like  because it's terrific. 

 

My hope is that I'm playing it and I'm all like  and then I get to the end and it's like . I could start like  and then end up  later, and that's happened as well.

 

But with a game as unique as this, I'd like to  if only because a weird ass different game being  would be a great message to branch out when doing AAA games.

 

But sometimes even if something is unique, it's  because it misses the mark, and that's OK.

[Keyser_Soze]

When all is said and done @Bacon fapping to VNs is art

[Keyser_Soze]

1 hour ago, Biggie said:

I’m sure that all the armchair critics of D1P haven’t played this game yet.  Amazing that somehow they have concluded it’s not good and not worth playing. These guys are amazing huh!!!

I like how you’re defending this game but it looks exactly the type of game you would hate. I’m sure you’ll play it and say you loved it no matter what at this point.

Jumping onto @gfxtwin’s “unique” view isn’t going to make this game somehow amazing.

[Biggie]

1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said:

I like how you’re defending this game but it looks exactly the type of game you would hate. I’m sure you’ll play it and say you loved it no matter what at this point.

Jumping onto @gfxtwin’s “unique” view isn’t going to make this game somehow amazing.

Nah, ima wait and maybe watch a few streams. Then either buy it or don’t. I’m not defending it. lol.

I just find it amazing how much people know about a game that hasn’t released. 

[Keyser_Soze]

6 minutes ago, Biggie said:

I just find it amazing how much people know about a game that hasn’t released. 

 

They "know" based on listening to impressions and watching footage of the game which they can show up the first half of the game

[Brian]

I “know” RDR 2 is an all time amazing game based of its 97 opencritic average. Anyone who says that game is a boring pos with horrible controllers is fucking wrong.  

 

[Keyser_Soze]

3 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

I “know” RDR 2 is an all time amazing game based of its 97 opencritic average. Anyone who says that game is a boring pos with horrible controllers is fucking wrong.  

 

 

Yeah but the first game was a boring POS, anyone who bought into the second one being good was smoking the good stuff.

[skillzdadirecta]

5 hours ago, Biggie said:

I’m sure that all the armchair critics of D1P haven’t played this game yet.  Amazing that somehow they have concluded it’s not good and not worth playing. These guys are amazing huh!!!

 

Game doesn't look fun... reviewers are saying it isn't fun and the story is whack-a-do. Even the reviewers who love the game are throwing in caveats that would give the impression that the game just isn't fun. Nothing shown in any of the gameplay videos looks fun or interesting and again, people who have played the game are saying that what you see is what you get as far as gameplay. I would LOVE a demo so i can try it out because certain aspects of the game do look intriguing to me. But I'm also not the biggest fan of Kojima or his storytelling, so is it really unreasonable for a person to see all the information out there about this game and past experience with its creator to infer that the game wouldn't be for them? Whether they are fans of Kojima or not?

 

2 hours ago, Biggie said:

Nah, ima wait and maybe watch a few streams. Then either buy it or don’t. I’m not defending it. lol.

I just find it amazing how much people know about a game that hasn’t released 

 

So previews and impressions don't count? I'm literally basing my comments on videos of people playing the game.

[Bacon]

I'd try a demo.

[Xbob42]

2 hours ago, Biggie said:

Nah, ima wait and maybe watch a few streams. Then either buy it or don’t. I’m not defending it. lol.

I just find it amazing how much people know about a game that hasn’t released. 

I can count the number of times where I've watched footage of a game, heard impressions, learned how it played and then actually played it and had a completely unexpected experience maybe like... twice in my life. We're not "armchair" anything, we fucking play games as our main hobbies. We're the "experts" on this because it's what we do all day, all year. I don't need to try literally every single game to get to the point where I know exactly what it is, because games that actually surprise you in terms of gameplay mechanics are actually extremely rare.

 

Just like anyone with a brain can watch someone playing RDR2, hear them slam the stick to move, count to 6, and then see Arthur start slowly starting to move and realizing it's an over-designed piece of shit trying to pass itself off as a video game when it really should've been trimmed down to a 2-3 hour movie.

[TwinIon]

6 hours ago, fuckle85 said:

Question for anyone making the "not gonna play Death Stranding because the gameplay doesn't look fun" argument : What's your take on PT, Silent Hill 2, Grim Fandango, Killer 7, The Last Guardian and anything else loved for the story and creativity despite (arguably) bad and/or unfun gameplay?  Assuming DS at least meets expectations with its story and presentation and the gameplay, gran turismo of walking sims it may be, is crafted well enough to do it justice, does it still mean the experience as a whole can't be engaging enough to be worth playing?

I'm perfectly capable of enjoying games where the gameplay isn't great because I'm enjoying the story. I would personally make the argument that, as an inherently interactive medium that gameplay is rather core to the experience, but that doesn't preclude games with "poor" or simple gameplay from being worthwhile.

 

I also think that, like with all other artistic mediums, my personal lack of interest doesn't have imply any broader implications for the medium or even for the specific title. Just because I generally don't like horror movies and don't want to see a specific one doesn't mean that particular film isn't great, that there aren't great horror films, or that films as a whole aren't art. I've seen experimental theater shows that I've loved, and I've seen experimental theater that I thought were terrible, but I think it's exciting to see challenging art. It's rare to see something with such a big budget try something so different, and I applaud Kojima for doing something so unique at this scale. I imagine that some people will get a lot out of the experience, and I'm happy for everyone willing to give it a shot. I hope people enjoy it.

 

If you just told me that there was a crazy unique game that was really dividing opinion, I'd often be happy to give it a try. However, when you also tell me that it's 50 hours long and that it's a story by Kojima, I can't help but lose interest. I think he's a terrible storyteller who values oddity and intricacy over character and story. I've never enjoyed the stories in his games, and nothing I've read about DS makes me think this will be the one to change my mind.

 

 

 

[Greatoneshere]

20 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

There are way too many great games out there to tell someone they "should" play a game that doesn't look appealing to them. Even if they like most of Kojima's work. 

 

Right, but that isn't what I said. If it looked unappealing from the start for you, then it makes sense not to want to play it even if you have liked Kojima's past work. My first post even said there are lots of other games out there for people to enjoy. My point was if the only thing dissuading an otherwise interested Kojima fan to play this game was just because of reviews coming out now that show it's divisive (not bad, divisive) but you enjoyed the trailers, have been intrigued, like the graphics and art style, etc. then yes, I think it's silly not to try the game because reviews showed it was divisive. In fact, that makes me more intrigued, not less.

[Biggie]

1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 

Game doesn't look fun... reviewers are saying it isn't fun and the story is whack-a-do. Even the reviewers who love the game are throwing in caveats that would give the impression that the game just isn't fun. Nothing shown in any of the gameplay videos looks fun or interesting and again, people who have played the game are saying that what you see is what you get as far as gameplay. I would LOVE a demo so i can try it out because certain aspects of the game do look intriguing to me. But I'm also not the biggest fan of Kojima or his storytelling, so is it really unreasonable for a person to see all the information out there about this game and past experience with its creator to infer that the game wouldn't be for them? Whether they are fans of Kojima or not?

 

 

So previews and impressions don't count? I'm literally basing my comments on videos of people playing the game.

 

1 hour ago, Xbob42 said:

I can count the number of times where I've watched footage of a game, heard impressions, learned how it played and then actually played it and had a completely unexpected experience maybe like... twice in my life. We're not "armchair" anything, we fucking play games as our main hobbies. We're the "experts" on this because it's what we do all day, all year. I don't need to try literally every single game to get to the point where I know exactly what it is, because games that actually surprise you in terms of gameplay mechanics are actually extremely rare.

 

Just like anyone with a brain can watch someone playing RDR2, hear them slam the stick to move, count to 6, and then see Arthur start slowly starting to move and realizing it's an over-designed piece of shit trying to pass itself off as a video game when it really should've been trimmed down to a 2-3 hour movie.

Ok. You’re not going to play it. Gotcha. 👌🏻   Think I’ll give it a whirl. That okay with you fellows?

[Brian]

12 pages and the game isn’t out. Kojima won. Congrats to him. He is the GOAT. 
 

[skillzdadirecta]

22 minutes ago, Biggie said:

 

Ok. You’re not going to play it. Gotcha. 👌🏻   Think I’ll give it a whirl. That okay with you fellows?

 

Lol it was always ok with me... I never gave a shit if you played it or not. Knock yourself out  I'm not the one on the thread saying people should or shouldn't play the game. That's other folks... is it ok if I choose not to play it or wait until it's cheap or free with PS+ or does that make me a "fucking robot?"

[Ghost_MH]

7 hours ago, fuckle85 said:

Question for anyone making the "not gonna play Death Stranding because the gameplay doesn't look fun" argument : What's your take on PT, Silent Hill 2, Grim Fandango, Killer 7, The Last Guardian and anything else loved for the story and creativity despite (arguably) bad and/or unfun gameplay?  Assuming DS at least meets expectations with its story and presentation and the gameplay, gran turismo of walking sims it may be, is crafted well enough to do it justice, does it still mean the experience as a whole can't be engaging enough to be worth playing?

 

Hey! Grim Fandango is not a bad game nor unfun. Also, that game was rarely not funny or in some similar way enjoyable. Killer 7 was...different, but never boring.

 

A game can get by on bad gameplay if the story is good. However, the story has to have incredibly good pacing and things can never get boring. PT was never boring. Silent Hill 2 was never boring. The worst thing any form of entertainment can be is boring. The opposite of boring isn't action-packed, either. A game or movie or book or whatever doesn't have to be bombastic to not be boring. It's perfectly fine to lean on intrigue or give some novel insight. Neither of those, however, is boring. 2001 isn't exactly exciting, but it still avoids being boring. Games don't necessarily have to be "fun", but they certainly better not be boring.

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

9 hours ago, fuckle85 said:

Question for anyone making the "not gonna play Death Stranding because the gameplay doesn't look fun" argument : What's your take on PT, Silent Hill 2, Grim Fandango, Killer 7, The Last Guardian and anything else loved for the story and creativity despite (arguably) bad and/or unfun gameplay?  Assuming DS at least meets expectations with its story and presentation and the gameplay, gran turismo of walking sims it may be, is crafted well enough to do it justice, does it still mean the experience as a whole can't be engaging enough to be worth playing?

PT -- It was a boring waste of my time, with as far as I can tell, had no redeeming qualities.  (For the record, I find most slasher/gore style "horror" movies boring as well.)

Grim Fandango -- When I played it in 1998, the gameplay was actually pretty advanced for and adventure game.  I would not call the moment-to-moment gameplay boring or tedious.  (It has aged poorly though, and probably isn't as attractive too new gamers)

The Last Guardian -- A poorly controlling, frustrating game that I eventually gave up playing in disgust.

I haven't played Killer 7 or Silent Hill 2.

[fuckle85]

I 100% respect the "eh it just doesn't look like something I'd want to play" reason for skipping DS btw. It's just that given how much info about story and gameplay still hasn't been released it's kinda wut to me why anyone at all interested would reach a conclusion yet. It could definitely end up being a pretentious mound of garbage, but even after playing a decent chunk of it it was difficult to know for sure.  It does seem fair enough imo to say it won't have as much appeal to audiences, including me potentially, as most well-made AAA games, sure.  I think a lot of passionate MGS fans will be more at home exploring that world than they might expect though.

 

8 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

I like how you’re defending this game but it looks exactly the type of game you would hate. I’m sure you’ll play it and say you loved it no matter what at this point.

Jumping onto @gfxtwin’s “unique” view isn’t going to make this game somehow amazing.

 

lol why is it I keep getting confused with gfxtwin!?  I am not them, though I did post on another account here several years ago.

 

 

 

[skillzdadirecta]

9 minutes ago, fuckle85 said:

 It's just that given how much info about story and gameplay still hasn't been released it's kinda wut to me why anyone at all interested would reach a conclusion yet.  Reviewers are saying, including positive reviews like Skillup, that You've seen the game. The gameplay loop has been shown for the most part. They haven't been ambiguous about that. 

 

  I do think a lot of passionate MGS fans will be more at home exploring that world than they might expect though. You've said this several times despite the fact that reviewers have said explicitly don't go in expecting Metal Gear. How is this game potentially appealing specifically to Metal Gear Fans? Not Kojima fans, but Metal Gear Fans. 

 

[fuckle85]

36 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 

I mean...listen, all I have is my take here, maybe I'm wrong and the reviewers who played all of it are more on point than me, sure.  I still think there's lots of info left out of those reviews, but I'll concede it doesn't mean they aren't comprehensive enough to be informative on whether DS will be appealing or not based on what someone finds engaging.  If anyone sees the footage and reads the reviews and is like "yeah that just doesn't seem fun to me", I get it and respect it, though I think it's too soon to have in depth discussion on the merits of the game beyond that.

[Biggie]

Til gamers who don’t like a game, aren’t going to play that game, and dislike that game, sure do post a lot about that game. 😂

[CastlevaniaNut18]

4 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Right, but that isn't what I said. If it looked unappealing from the start for you, then it makes sense not to want to play it even if you have liked Kojima's past work. My first post even said there are lots of other games out there for people to enjoy. My point was if the only thing dissuading an otherwise interested Kojima fan to play this game was just because of reviews coming out now that show it's divisive (not bad, divisive) but you enjoyed the trailers, have been intrigued, like the graphics and art style, etc. then yes, I think it's silly not to try the game because reviews showed it was divisive. In fact, that makes me more intrigued, not less.

I think it's fair, with the multitude of games out there, to look at reviews and impressions and judge a game as something you'd rather play or not. $60 is a decent chunk of money for some people and it sucks to buy something and not like it. There's a reason previews and reviews exist. Once in a while, it works out to ignore the reviews. It did well for me when I bought Days Gone, despite the negative reviews. But I'd also been interested in that one and the reviews were still correct in many of the game's aspects. It was a technically flawed work in places.

On the flip side, I ignored the reviews and bought RDR2 for the hype I'd long had and that was a $40 misfire on my part.

[Moa]

23 minutes ago, Biggie said:

Til gamers who don’t like a game, aren’t going to play that game, and dislike that game, sure do post a lot about that game. 😂

I've been waiting for this game for years and I'm here to get at least some entertainment out of my investment by panning it on the internet. Ok?

[Ghost_MH]

13 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

I think it's fair, with the multitude of games out there, to look at reviews and impressions and judge a game as something you'd rather play or not. $60 is a decent chunk of money for some people and it sucks to buy something and not like it. There's a reason previews and reviews exist. Once in a while, it works out to ignore the reviews. It did well for me when I bought Days Gone, despite the negative reviews. But I'd also been interested in that one and the reviews were still correct in many of the game's aspects. It was a technically flawed work in places.

On the flip side, I ignored the reviews and bought RDR2 for the hype I'd long had and that was a $40 misfire on my part.

 

There are way too many games to play. There's absolutely no reason to buy a game on day one when the reviews are iffy and your personal backlog is a thousand miles long. This is one of those situations, where you wait and see what the consensus is after the hype has died down.

[Biggie]

6 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

There are way too many games to play. There's absolutely no reason to buy a game on day one when the reviews are iffy and your personal backlog is a thousand miles long. This is one of those situations, where you wait and see what the consensus is after the hype has died down.

But that’s what GAMERS DO!!! lol

[AbsolutSurgen]

8 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

There are way too many games to play. There's absolutely no reason to buy a game on day one when the reviews are iffy and your personal backlog is a thousand miles long. This is one of those situations, where you wait and see what the consensus is after the hype has died down.

RDR2 comes out tomorrow -- that is what I am playing for the foreseeable future.

[AbsolutSurgen]

Kotaku decided to do a 1 hour review.  Needless to say, I haven't yet watched all of it.

 

[Greatoneshere]

1 hour ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

I think it's fair, with the multitude of games out there, to look at reviews and impressions and judge a game as something you'd rather play or not. $60 is a decent chunk of money for some people and it sucks to buy something and not like it. There's a reason previews and reviews exist. Once in a while, it works out to ignore the reviews. It did well for me when I bought Days Gone, despite the negative reviews. But I'd also been interested in that one and the reviews were still correct in many of the game's aspects. It was a technically flawed work in places.

On the flip side, I ignored the reviews and bought RDR2 for the hype I'd long had and that was a $40 misfire on my part.

 

That's fair - my experience is quite different - I often enjoy games I was already super intrigued by which I'm glad I didn't ignore just because of reviews. Like I said, renting the game is fine, etc.

 

This game is too big and too unique for those who were super hyped until this point is all. It's an "event". Don't miss it if you were already inclined to do it. But yeah all good if people don't play it but this is going to be a "discussion" game for months afterward.

 

This is classic Kojima in that even people who aren't playing the game are talking about it. MGS2 and MGS4 were similarly received negatively at first but those were two great games for me. 

[CastlevaniaNut18]

MGS2 and 4 were my least favorites in the series.  

[Rodimus]

 

[AbsolutSurgen]