Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Time for the third general election in four years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Time for the third general election in four years! But they can't vote on whether to do Brexit again! No siree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, CayceG said: But they can't vote on whether to do Brexit again! No siree! It is funny how the most obvious answer can't be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Time for the third general election in four years! Looks like Labour's play is they won't consent to a General Election until the No Deal ban is signed into a law. The Rebel Alliance is much bigger than the Government realized but they've carried out their threat to kick them out of the Party (including removing them from Tory Whatsapp Groups). May's Chancellor, The Father of the House, Churchill's grandson, and about 20 others are all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Theresa seems rather broken up about what happened to poor Boris today! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 40 minutes ago, CayceG said: But they can't vote on whether to do Brexit again! No siree! That's what Jeremy Corbyn said they should do after the vote today: Quote As I have said before: if the prime minister has confidence in his Brexit policy - when he has one he can put forward - he should put it before the people in a public vote. Part of the problem with a second vote is there isn't really a plan to vote on. The thing that makes sense to me is that you put forward a plan that has already been approved by both the UK and EU, but the only such plan has proven historically unpopular. I can only imagine the imaginary deal that Johnson would want to put on the ballot. Still, it does seem like the obvious choice. Perhaps the biggest problem with the original referendum is that no one really knew what leaving the EU would be like, and most of the arguments for leaving where incredibly dishonest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, TwinIon said: Perhaps the biggest problem with the original referendum is that no one really knew what leaving the EU would be like, and most of the arguments for leaving where incredibly dishonest. The referendum shouldn't have been binary, it should have been "remain" and several realistic options for "leave". I doubt "leave" wins if you forced voters to vote on a specific flavor of "leave". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 So now what happens? Another general election soon? Do they vote on a new Brexit deal as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, marioandsonic said: So now what happens? Another general election soon? Do they vote on a new Brexit deal as well? Tomorrow there will be a vote on postponing Brexit until 31 January 2020. Johnson will also put forward a motion for a new general election which will require a 2/3 majority to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 You can watch UK parliament on Twitch and it is surreal (PC Gamer) Quote Bernie Sanders has his own Twitch channel now, why not the entire UK parliament? They're not getting together to play Minecraft on a shared server and argue about who is putting in the most effort: ukparliament is an unofficial channel that streams parliamentary debates to make the process of UK democracy visible to a wider audience. It also has emotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Jason said: omg the UK is the first and last episode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 13 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: Tomorrow there will be a vote on postponing Brexit until 31 January 2020. Johnson will also put forward a motion for a new general election which will require a 2/3 majority to pass. Another postponement? God damn it, I just want this shitshow to happen already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 BBC News - Brexit: MPs back bill to block no deal on first votehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49580185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I was reading through the Guardian's live coverage, and I'm confused as to what the Kinnock amendment actually does or how it got passed. It just says that "MPs opposed to it did not put up tellers" and that the No lobby was full at the time. I really don't understand parliamentary procedures, but it seems pretty odd that you can pass something because you didn't count the votes against it, when there were votes against it. Still, it seems pretty unclear what it actually forces anyone to do. It seems that it resurrects the May deal in some way, but it doesn't seem like it's binding in any particular way that I've seen given. This whole thing is such a mess. Now I guess we get to see if Johnson can get his election in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 h/t @CayceG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 No General Election since they failed to get 2/3, but the Government could introduce a bill to change the law and set a election which you just need a majority of one (Yay for no written constitution!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/3/2019 at 1:49 PM, sblfilms said: I don’t understand all that is going on but I welcome other nations doing embarrassing things, makes us feel a little less lonely here in the US. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anathema- Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 To paraphrase; MSNBC is the worst 24 hour news network, except for all the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Boris Johnson's brother quits government in protest at Boris Johnson's leadership Quote Jo Johnson, a business minister, said it was impossible to reconcile “family loyalty and the national interest”, adding: “It’s an unresolvable tension & time for others to take on my roles as MP & minister #overandout “ It is only six weeks since the younger Johnson faced fierce criticism for returning to serve his brother – despite resigning for the first time late last year, to campaign for a Final Say referendum on Brexit. It leaves the prime minister with the painful task of trying to explain why even his own sibling has lost faith in his handling of the Brexit crisis, as the criticism of Tory MPs grows. In a bombshell tweet, Jo Johnson wrote: “In recent weeks I’ve been torn between family loyalty and the national interest,” – before going on to describe it as “an unresolvable tension”. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jwheel86 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: It's a path to a General Election. If passed Corbyn will have 14 days to form a Government and secure a Vote of Confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TwinIon Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 The Guardian outlines two scenarios where an election is called. Two-thirds of MPs vote on Monday to call a new election. In which case the earliest it could happen is Oct. 15th. It seems that many Labor MPs don't want a new vote until the Brexit delay bill just passed becomes law. Many don't want an election until after the European council would potentially agree to the extension, which would happen on Oct. 17-18. It also sounds like some just don't want an election before the 31st, to ensure that there isn't any trickery. Should the vote of no confidence go through, the opposition gets 14 days to form a new government. Assuming that fails, they'd then have to wait 25 days, meaning the soonest the election could be held is Oct. 29th. It sure seems like Johnson thinks that even in that scenario it would be plausible to no-deal brexit on the 31st, which seems pretty insane to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Boris Johnson 'will be forced from power if he defies no-deal law' (Guardian) Quote Boris Johnson would trigger a legal and constitutional crisis that would force his resignation as prime minister if he failed to obey a law mandating him to seek another extension to Brexit, according to high-level legal advice obtained by Labour. The conclusions of a team of leading QCs, which have been sent to the shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, make clear that the prime minister would be declared in contempt of court if he tried to remain in No 10 while refusing to obey legislation to prevent the UK leaving the EU without a deal on 31 October. The new law is expected to gain royal assent from the Queen early next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 BBC News - Commons Speaker John Bercow to stand downhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49639828 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 No-deal Brexit officially blocked in law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 5 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: BBC News - Commons Speaker John Bercow to stand downhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49639828 I'm still waiting for the Queen to appoint Bercow as Prime Minister leading a Grand Coalition for Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 PM Bercow would be something else alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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