SaysWho? Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 https://www.npr.org/2019/05/22/725616541/nevada-poised-to-become-15th-state-to-ditch-electoral-college Quote With a state Senate vote Tuesday, Nevada is close to becoming the latest state to sidestep the Electoral College when it comes to electing presidents. According to the National Popular Vote organization, which oversees efforts to convince states to join the compact, 14 states and the District of Columbia have already agreed to pledge their 189 electors to the winner of the national popular vote — regardless of which candidate won the state. Nevada, with its six electoral votes, would bring the total to 195. Once 270 electors are pledged, the compact would kick in. The effort is part of a national movement to neuter the Electoral College and give more weight to the popular vote. Democrats in particular have been stung by the Electoral College, which effectively gives disproportional voting power to smaller, rural states that tend to vote Republican. In addition to President Trump, George W. Bush also won the White House without winning the popular vote. Quote Nevada's senate vote to join the agreement was 12-8, entirely along party lines. Every Republican voted against the proposal. Gov. Steve Sisolak, a Democrat, has not indicated whether he will sign the measure into law. I really want Dems to win in 2020 but lose the popular vote just to see this gain more traction in redder states, especially considering many Republicans already think they win the popular vote because of conspiracy theories regarding illegal voting and those county maps they copy/paste everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 The compact will fall apart the first time a republican wins the popular vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, mclumber1 said: The compact will fall apart the first time a republican wins the popular vote. If it gets to 270. On the other hand, I don't think the FB memes of, "Look at all the red counties with 60 people living in them THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE ELECOTRAL COLLAGES" will be as prevalent. I look forward to when that gets more red states into the compact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 This is going to result in a Republican stealing another presidency 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 2 hours ago, mclumber1 said: The compact will fall apart the first time a republican wins the popular vote. Why? If a republican won the popular vote, they'd almost certainly have won the electoral college. Reverting back wouldn't help the democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 50 minutes ago, TwinIon said: Why? If a republican won the popular vote, they'd almost certainly have won the electoral college. Reverting back wouldn't help the democrats. Sour grapes. California is going to be pissed if they have to throw their 55 electoral votes to some Republican who only garnered 35% of the popular vote in the state, regardless if that GOP candidate would have won the election conventionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Maybe we should drastically expand the size of the house of reps so this issue basically fixes itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Sour grapes. California is going to be pissed if they have to throw their 55 electoral votes to some Republican who only garnered 35% of the popular vote in the state, regardless if that GOP candidate would have won the election conventionally. Californians are already pissed that the Democrat twice won their votes and the country's votes and still lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 The more likely scenario based on actual history of the actual parties is if Republicans win enough states so that they'd win the presidency without the popular vote, they'd sure as shit take it if able to by changing a state law to do so. Dems would yuk it up and say "whelp, thems the breaks!!!!!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoidHater Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Maybe we should drastically expand the size of the house of reps so this issue basically fixes itself. https://www.thirty-thousand.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Just because I'm an asshole I really hope they get this little pact going, and then Democrats promptly lose an election where they lost the popular vote but would have won the electoral college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dodger said: Just because I'm an asshole I really hope they get this little pact going, and then Democrats promptly lose an election where they lost the popular vote but would have won the electoral college. The only way to lose the popular vote and win the election is on the back of a white-supremacy-friendly ticket. If the dems ran a candidate like that and lost then you would be the one upset, not me. Good job though, writing a fanfic of an event that will never happen just so you can pretend to taste a sense of unearned gloating over something that makes you a truly wretched human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, Anathema- said: The only way to lose the popular vote and win the election is on the back of a white-supremacy-friendly ticket. If the dems ran a candidate like that and lost then you would be the one upset, not me. Good job though, writing a fanfic of an event that will never happen just so you can pretend to taste a sense of unearned gloating over something that makes you a truly wretched human being. You really have mental problems dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dodger said: You really have mental problems dude You are dreaming up scenarios where random people you don't know would be upset about something that would hurt them significantly (something that would hurt you, too) and remarking about how you'd enjoy seeing it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Anathema- said: You are dreaming up scenarios where random people you don't know would be upset about something that would hurt them significantly (something that would hurt you, too) and remarking about how you'd enjoy seeing it happen. First of all, it's scenario, singular. Second, you really need to get off this whole a Republican winning an election means the end of the world thing. Being a liberal doesn't mean being the savior of the free world like you think it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Any "solution" that involves "winner take all" for a state's electoral votes should be laughed out the room and whoever proposes it should be shot on sight along with their entire family. There are only two legitimate options for awarding electoral votes under this archaic, ass-backwards system: - proportional awarding based on the results of the state's popular vote - proportional awarding based on the results of the national popular vote That's it - those are the only two legitimate options. Anything else is a further perpetuation of this farce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, Anathema- said: The only way to lose the popular vote and win the election is on the back of a white-supremacy-friendly ticket. If the dems ran a candidate like that and lost then you would be the one upset, not me. Good job though, writing a fanfic of an event that will never happen just so you can pretend to taste a sense of unearned gloating over something that makes you a truly wretched human being. This isn’t necessarily true. If Kerry had won Ohio he would have won the EC while losing the popular vote. Nate Silver has written about the EC and that it doesn’t always favor the Republican candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoidHater Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: Any "solution" that involves "winner take all" for a state's electoral votes should be laughed out the room and whoever proposes it should be shot on sight along with their entire family. There are only two legitimate options for awarding electoral votes under this archaic, ass-backwards system: - proportional awarding based on the results of the state's popular vote - proportional awarding based on the results of the national popular vote That's it - those are the only two legitimate options. Anything else is a further perpetuation of this farce. It's not even like it hasn't been done. Look at Maine and Nebraska. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, TyphoidHater said: It's not even like it hasn't been done. Look at Maine and Nebraska. Under a proportional system, an individual vote -- no matter in which state it is cast -- actually counts in the greater scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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