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The improper use of "Liberal" irks me quite a bit. Never Trumper types are primarily Progressives, Far Left Commie Larpers and moderate Conservatives, not Liberals. Those same people also hate Liberals due to the very fact that most of them are not confrontational with Trump voters or Conservatives in general (e.g. Joe Rogan platforming people like Kanye West or Ben Shapiro instead of condemning them) despite said liberals sharing many of the same views that could be considered socialist in nature.

 

FTR, I consider myself socially liberal on most every issue and I've actually been called a white supremacist, a Nazi, a fascist, put on a national hate watch list in a foreign country, etc. Being left leaning liberal or center-left/center-right on social or economic issues is looked on with disdain as well @Dodger

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10 minutes ago, Man of Culture said:

The improper use of "Liberal" irks me quite a bit. Never Trumper types are primarily Progressives and Far Left Commie Larpers, not Liberals. Those same people also hate Liberals due to the very fact that most of them are not confrontational with Trump voters or Conservatives in general (e.g. Joe Rogan platforming people like Kanye West or Ben Shapiro instead of condemning them) despite said liberals sharing many of the same views that could be considered socialist in nature.

 

FTR, I consider myself socially liberal on most every issue and I've actually been called a white supremacist, a Nazi, a fascist, put on a national hate watch list in a foreign country, etc. Being left leaning liberal or center-left/center-right on social or economic issues is looked on with disdain as well @Dodger

 

 

Damn dude, I just get a bunch of shit on a message board nobody cares about. Even I'm not on any hate watch lists. I don't think I've actually been called a nazi and a facist here, just a racist piece of shit a million times.  Funny thing is, I'm not even against immigration. All I've ever really said is maybe letting hundreds of thousands of poor immigrants over here every single year is maybe not the greatest idea and we should have some limits or maybe work towards a better system. For that I'm called a "fucking racist piece of shit" and reminded of every dumb thing I've ever said years ago. 

 

Shit I'll vote for the first Democrat who actually says hey we need some serious immigration reform instead of just jumping on the abolish ice pandering bandwagon. I still actively support universal health care. So if this bad for a liberal who isn't on board with unlimited immigration, I can't imagine how bad it would be for an actual Trump Conservative around here. 

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17 minutes ago, Firewithin said:

that R you vote for = Racist   :dab2:

 

new page edit.  not directed to lucian

 

I voted for Obama both times.

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18 minutes ago, Dodger said:

 

 

Damn dude, I just get a bunch of shit on a message board nobody cares about. Even I'm not on any hate watch lists. I don't think I've actually been called a nazi and a facist here, just a racist piece of shit a million times.  Funny thing is, I'm not even against immigration. All I've ever really said is maybe letting hundreds of thousands of poor immigrants over here every single year is maybe not the greatest idea and we should have some limits or maybe work towards a better system. For that I'm called a "fucking racist piece of shit" and reminded of every dumb thing I've ever said years ago. 

 

Shit I'll vote for the first Democrat who actually says hey we need some serious immigration reform instead of just jumping on the abolish ice pandering bandwagon. I still actively support universal health care. So if this bad for a liberal who isn't on board with unlimited immigration, I can't imagine how bad it would be for an actual Trump Conservative around here. 

 

My now 22 yo niece had lost friends and was pressured out of her on-campus job at UCLA when it came out that she supported Israel. This occurred a few months after Trump was elected.

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40 minutes ago, Man of Culture said:

The improper use of "Liberal" irks me quite a bit. Never Trumper types are primarily Progressives and Far Left Commie Larpers, not Liberals.

 

“Never Trump”ers were conservatives who refused to support Trump after he locked down the GOP nomination.

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3 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

 

“Never Trump”ers were conservatives who refused to support Trump after he locked down the GOP nomination.

Let's not pretend that the left didn't have their own brand of never trumper's. And yes, I recognize that people like Ben Shapiro were also "Never Trumper's"

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2 hours ago, Dodger said:

 

I voted for Obama both times.

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Yep, Dodger has gotten shit just because he reasonably asks for immigration reform. 

 

Not because he's said stupid, racist shit on numerous occasions. 

 

Edit: plenty of sexist shit, too. 

 

:rolleyes:

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4 hours ago, Man of Culture said:

Let's not pretend that the left didn't have their own brand of never trumper's. And yes, I recognize that people like Ben Shapiro were also "Never Trumper's"

Isn’t pretty much everyone on the left a never trumper? 

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1 minute ago, SilentWorld said:

Isn’t pretty much everyone on the left a never trumper? 

If you're truly on the Left, Donald Trump is completely and totally irrelevant to your political calculus.  

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1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said:

If you're truly on the Left, Donald Trump is completely and totally irrelevant to your political calculus.  

Can you elaborate?

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4 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

If you're truly on the Left, Donald Trump is completely and totally irrelevant to your political calculus.  

 

I'm pretty sure that a significant number of people who are truly on the left beg to differ. 

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Just now, SilentWorld said:

Can you elaborate?

What I mean is that he just doesn't influence you in one way or another.  He's a complete and total non-entity when compared to the far greater "conservative" or "liberal" enemies.

 

It's the same reason why no true Leftist would ever associate themselves with the #Resistance.

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Just now, Man of Culture said:

 

I'm pretty sure that a significant number of people who are truly on the left beg to differ. 

Then they should be shot.

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7 minutes ago, SilentWorld said:

Isn’t pretty much everyone on the left a never trumper? 

To varying degrees. They range from Trump is a dumb Cheeto head who doesn't belong in Oval Office to "We've elected a literal fucking Nazi into the white house! America is failing! The sky is falling! Never trust white people again!"

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1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said:

What I mean is that he just doesn't influence you in one way or another.  He's a complete and total non-entity when compared to the far greater "conservative" or "liberal" enemies.

 

It's the same reason why no true Leftist would ever associate themselves with the #Resistance.

Love me some no true Scotsman fallacy.

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2 minutes ago, Man of Culture said:

Love me some no true Scotsman fallacy.

I used to know what that was, but I really just can't give enough to a damn to be bothered to either reacquaint myself nor be reacquainted with it.

 

It's probably something liberals trot out to make themselves feel good or something.

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Never Trump was born out of conservatives who would "never" vote for Trump. It has nothing to do with the left.

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2 minutes ago, Jose said:

Never Trump was born out of conservatives who would "never" vote for Trump. It has nothing to do with the left.

Yes and no. Yes it was initially born out of neoconservatives who were angry about Trump, starting the Stop Trump movement. No in the idea that it has nothing to do with the left. Plenty of liberals, progressives and commie larpers fall into the category of "Never Trump" by virtue of sharing many of the same core issue brought up by "Never Trumpers"

 

"Trump's campaign is built on xenophobia, race-baiting and religious bigotry."

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9 minutes ago, Man of Culture said:

Yes and no. Yes it was initially born out of neoconservatives who were angry about Trump, starting the Stop Trump movement. No in the idea that it has nothing to do with the left. Plenty of liberals, progressives and commie larpers fall into the category of "Never Trump" by virtue of sharing many of the same core issue brought up by "Never Trumpers"

 

"Trump's campaign is built on xenophobia, race-baiting and religious bigotry."

 

This is a stupid point. The left was never going to support the Republican nominee regardless of who it was. 

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10 minutes ago, Man of Culture said:

Yes and no. Yes it was initially born out of neoconservatives who were angry about Trump, starting the Stop Trump movement. No in the idea that it has nothing to do with the left. Plenty of liberals, progressives and commie larpers fall into the category of "Never Trump" by virtue of sharing many of the same core issue brought up by "Never Trumpers"

 

"Trump's campaign is built on xenophobia, race-baiting and religious bigotry."

 

They may agree with one another on that, but #NeverTrump meant, "If Trump wins the nomination, we're going to not vote Republican for the first time in years/ever. I will vote Republican, but #NeverTrump." They wanted to stop him from getting the nomination despite getting a plurality of the vote. And it wasn't just neocons; Mormons disliked Trump, with Trump getting the lowest share of the vote in Utah for a Republican since 1964 IIRC.

 

That's honestly what it means, and I don't know where people are getting the idea that anyone on the left is part of that movement considering Democrats were pretty easily never voting Republican for decades.

 

That last sentence is pretty much Jose's point.

 

Just now, Jose said:

 

This is a stupid point. The left was never going to support the Republican nominee regardless of who it was. 

 

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And I'm sick of the trope that Trump's campaign actually wasn't built on racism and xenophobia. 

 

It trafficked in it. It used the words from those groups. It spoke to those people. The voters responded based on those ideas. Because they held those ideas. 

 

Trump used all of this to his benefit, saw it had benefit, and kept doing it. Is he a white supremacist? Probably not. Does he benefit from people who are and people who dance around the edges without realizing what they're doing? Yes, absolutely. 

 

 

If you fuck goats as a joke, you're still a goat fucker. 

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6 minutes ago, CayceG said:

And I'm sick of the trope that Trump's campaign actually wasn't built on racism and xenophobia. 

 

It trafficked in it. It used the words from those groups. It spoke to those people. The voters responded based on those ideas. Because they held those ideas. 

 

Trump used all of this to his benefit, saw it had benefit, and kept doing it. Is he a white supremacist? Probably not. Does he benefit from people who are and people who dance around the edges without realizing what they're doing? Yes, absolutely. 

 

 

If you fuck goats as a joke, you're still a goat fucker. 

 

 

But are they intending to fuck goats?

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5 hours ago, Man of Culture said:

Let's not pretend that the left didn't have their own brand of never trumper's. And yes, I recognize that people like Ben Shapiro were also "Never Trumper's"

 

OK, but your post was about mislabeling people and then you mislabeled people. It was just an amusing own-goal on your part.

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Why are we talking about nevertrumpers in a thread about white supremacist terrorism? 

 

The only real nevertrumpers out there are the old neocons because most of them were anti-communist warhawk Jews. The reason they're never trump is, drumroll please, the virulent anti-Semitic racism of the conservative trump movement! Otherwise they'd just be Republicans. It's the white supremacy that makes for the difference.

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2 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

 

OK, but your post was about mislabeling people and then you mislabeled people. It was just an amusing own-goal on your part.

 

He'll corncob before admitting to that.

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Just now, sblfilms said:

 

OK, but your post was about mislabeling people and then you mislabeled people. It was just an amusing own-goal on your part.

 

Live and learn, I guess.

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