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Anathema- Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 It seems like Iran made the closest thing to a good faith mistake you can make in a hot zone. Strange how the tables have turned. The fact that there was a hot zone at all is not something I'd look at Iran to take the blame over, though. It's good that cooler heads seem to ultimately prevailed but there would be no conflict without trump's actions and the conflict that arose from those actions was entirely foreseeable. A smaller scale version of these events is how people get locked up for felony murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Quote A senior White House official said it was “super uncool” and “quite unwise” for Gaetz to push for limits on the president’s authority. This person added that White House officials would not be returning Gaetz’s phone calls, text messages, “smoke signals or his kneelings in the snow.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 hours ago, sblfilms said: It isn’t, but that’s not relevant to my reply so feel free to presume for the balance of this reply that we agree it is a war crime. People aren’t saying it’s reckless because it’s a “war crime”, they were saying it was reckless because it would draw us further into conflict with Iran. Except that it more likely decreases the proxy attacks by Iran against the US. Iran has no desire to get into a full on conflict with the US, but they were happy to continue their proxy campaign against the US because our response had been so tame. Now things have changed. No people are saying it was reckless because it was an escalation and was done with little consideration for the potential consequences of the action. This administration rarely thinks things through and this is case is no different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: No people are saying it was reckless because it was an escalation and was done with little consideration for the potential consequences of the action. This administration rarely thinks things through and this is case is no different. You said what I said, “draw us further into conflict with Iran” is the same thing as “escalation” . And the people who thought that were wrong on the consequences. The US got rid of the person causing the most trouble for US forces in the region and the Iranian government responded by telling America via Switzerland that they were going to shoot some missiles with hours of advance warning to hunker down. The idea that the administration as a collective unit didn’t make any consideration for the consequences is false. They were arranging other attacks at the same time to further cripple Iran’s ability to fund and use proxies to carry out their dirty work. Trump himself being a dummy who doesn’t think about the down range effects is separate from the administration as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, osxmatt said: SOOOOO much Adderall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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finaljedi Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, osxmatt said: I feel like every Fox News interview he does, the interviewer gives him an escape ladder to get out of some idiotic/illegal thing he just said, and he's too much of a moron to take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, finaljedi said: I feel like every Fox News interview he does, the interviewer gives him an escape ladder to get out of some idiotic/illegal thing he just said, and he's too much of a moron to take it. Even by his standards, he was rapid-fire repeating himself a LOT. It's like he doesn't know where he is or why he's there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 13 hours ago, osxmatt said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaladinSolo Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 10 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: Remember just days ago he threatened to bomb their mosques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skillzdadirecta Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 3 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Missed this when all the action was happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Quote The U.S. effort to coerce European foreign policy through tariffs, a move one European official equated to “extortion,” represents a new level of hardball tactics with the United States’ oldest allies, underscoring the extraordinary tumult in the transatlantic relationship. Quote It remains unclear if the threat was even necessary, as Europeans had been signaling their intention to trigger the dispute resolution for weeks. While the United States views the mechanism as critical to reimposing sanctions on Iran in as little as 65 days, the Europeans see the measure as a last chance to salvage a deal they view as vital to reducing tensions and limiting Iran’s nuclear program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: https://politics.theonion.com/giuliani-insists-breaking-the-law-not-a-crime-1827979622 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Littleronin Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Line in the sand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Jason said: A few people had concussion symptoms in the days after, so they were taken to facilities capable of properly evaluating/treating. Saved y’all a click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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finaljedi Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Jason said: PS I will fuck up your cultural sites if Sleepy Ali makes me mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Sounds like Trump wants to engage in some regime change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, MarSolo said: Sounds like Trump wants to engage in some regime change. He just wants to look tough, he really doesn't have the guts, thankfully, to try to really do regime change in Iran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: He just wants to look tough, he really doesn't have the guts, thankfully, to try to really do regime change in Iran He doesn't have the guts but he also doesn't have the sense not to. Cowards with something to prove are always the most dangerous in these situations and Trump is a tremendous bullshit artists who doesn't give a shit about the lives on either side of an armed conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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