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I also don't get the point being made with the crawl. What places did we see in Empire that were affected by the Empire? Cloud City wasn't affected, which was also the point. The impacts were seen in the first movie of both trilogies, with spies hidden in public in The Force Awakens instead of storm troopers patrolling planets in A New Hope.

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2 hours ago, Alpha1Cowboy said:

 

 

To be fair..my attatchment to Ackbar is because I went as him in one of those boxed store bought  Haloween costumes when I was a kid in the fall of 83..... (he was an important enough character to get a  mainline Halloween costume.)     I mean....look at Bobba Fett for a character with little screen time and huge popularity....hell...just based on Bobba and his background we've got out first live action Star Wars TV series. 
  As much as I love the smaller intimate story within Star Wars.....I also love the bigger War movie.....thats what made Saving Private Ryan so great.....you had this smaller story going on against the backdrop of a larger war which you get to see as in the opening D-Day invasion.  It's also an element that made people really like Rogue One

 

I like Ackbar too. I'm not saying he shouldn't be popular. Just that making him be the one who rams the First Order fleet makes very little narrative sense if you're going for emotional impact. He imparted no wisdom to our protagonists. He did not act as a foil to their basic instincts. He did not expand the universe that fans want to keep shrinking.

 

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Holdo meanwhile is brought in as this tactical military leader...and she makes a huge military blunder at the end.  When you're fighting  a war..you don't sacrifice you're most indispensable leaders unnecessarily when a much lower ranking human or robot will do.  (But that's more of an argument about how certain directors have no idea how a military works) 

 

Holdo's final act is very much in the tradition of the Captain going down with the ship whether that makes sense in terms of military tactics or not. The Last Jedi isn't about realistic military tactics. It's about development of the characters. And it was a great button on the end of her character showing that while she was trying to impart something to Poe, she also understood and respected him as well because in the end she did something reckless like he would do. And you praised Saving Private Ryan; a movie where a Captain and a Sergeant and many others die for one Private. Just like the themes in The Last Jedi. The little people matter and the little people count (re: Rose/Finn). That is what they are all fighting for. From the top to the very bottom.

 

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As for fan service....so is Spiderman in Civil War....but people loved that shit.   I'd argue that its also not fan service when there is continuity......Ackbar was the Admiral that oversaw and ran the space naval engagement against the 2nd Death star.    It makes sense for him to be leading the resistance.

 

But it makes much more sense for Leia to be leading the Resistance. Which she is in The Last Jedi. And Ackbar (like Holdo) appeared to be one of her top lieutenants. But he died. It's almost like there's a star war going on around them or something.

 

What would have made sense for Ackbar would be for him to have lead the engagement above Scarif in Rogue One showing us how he earned his stripes. Why weren't people bitching about that? It's almost as if people don't actually care about Ackbar as much as they say they do. I certainly don't care that a different pescatarian delicacy was featured in his place. Or that a woman was.

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1 hour ago, sblfilms said:


That was the point.

 

 

 

Except...in the context of a glactic war.....that shit don't make sense.  Especially one where the government literally got destroyed the previous couple days prior.   Look at the hit to the US Stock market when something small like 9/11 happened.    Anticipating market chaos, panic selling and a disastrous loss of value in the wake of the attacks, the NYSE and the Nasdaq remained closed until September 17, the longest shutdown since 1933

 

You have a freaking war going on where the First Order just obliterated several planets....the entire galaxy should have been reeling wondering who or whats next.  Sure you're got a wealth...because you own a planet full of of coaxium......but do you?   Maybe the First Order owns it now.....you're not rich anymore. In times of war...especially at the beginning....uncertainty causes the wealthy to withdraw and batten down the hatches....not go all Kardashian.

 

 When Lando was running the tibanna gas operation in Cloud City....that was a far more realistic approach to how successful business operated under the empire.  I'm not saying you have to go deep into the nuts and bolts of how war works...but it made no sense.  

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Alpha1Cowboy said:

 

 

 

Except...in the context of a glactic war.....that shit don't make sense.  Especially one where the government literally got destroyed the previous couple days prior.   Look at the hit to the US Stock market when something small like 9/11 happened.    Anticipating market chaos, panic selling and a disastrous loss of value in the wake of the attacks, the NYSE and the Nasdaq remained closed until September 17, the longest shutdown since 1933

 

You have a freaking war going on where the First Order just obliterated several planets....the entire galaxy should have been reeling wondering who or whats next.  Sure you're got a wealth...because you own a planet full of of coaxium......but do you?   Maybe the First Order owns it now.....you're not rich anymore.

 

 When Lando was running the tibanna gas operation in Cloud City....that was a far more realistic approach to how successful business operated under the empire.  I'm not saying you have to go deep into the nuts and bolts of how war works...but it made no sense.  

 

 

 

It made total sense. Yes, stock markets take hits when wars happen...and then the companies involved made tonnes of money by taking advantage of war, and the people at the top come out richer. That was the whole message of Canto Bight - that the rich make money no matter what is going on or who wins wars. And it's 100% true. American companies made money off of Hitler until the point where the US was at war with him, and then they made money off of American military efforts. Then after the war they used ex-Nazi scientists to make even more money. I have issues with the Canto Bight sequence (mainly it's over-the-top reliance on CGI, and how it was a bit too heavy-handed in it having slave kids work the stables), but its message is totally on-point, and interesting to see in the Star Wars universe.

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The oligarchy always wins. They don’t care about the plight of anybody. The casino setting is part of the imagery, the house always wins and such. Like CV said, if anything it may all have been a bit too on the nose and is indeed my least favorite part of the film.

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I like the casino bit in theory and in tone and in message. But I think specifically the horse chase was probably superfluous. 

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34 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

The oligarchy always wins. They don’t care about the plight of anybody. The casino setting is part of the imagery, the house always wins and such. Like CV said, if anything it may all have been a bit too on the nose and is indeed my least favorite part of the film.

 

You'd think that, but apparently... :p 

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1 hour ago, CayceG said:

I like the casino bit in theory and in tone and in message. But I think specifically the horse chase was probably superfluous. 

 

The only part of the movie that made me cringe and keeps it from being better than ESB.

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Yeah I'd have enjoyed the entire sequence if they just had a normal escape instead of CGI animals. Reminded me too much of the PT.

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Last year, when Star Wars was hit by the one-two punch of The Last Jedi backlash and Solo bombing commercially, there was a feeling franchise fatigue had settled in. Disney will be the first to admit they rushed out new Star Wars content, but The Rise of Skywalker pre-sales indicate there's still substantial interest among die-hard enthusiasts and general moviegoers. It wouldn't have beaten a Force Awakens record if there wasn't. And with Star Wars back in its new home of December, The Rise of Skywalker is virtually guaranteed to be a huge hit. Instead of opening against Avengers: Infinity War and Deadpool 2 like Solo did, The Rise of Skywalker will be the main attraction of the holiday season and definitely be the biggest film on the market. The only question is how high will the total go.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-fandango-ticket-sales-force-awakens/

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14 minutes ago, Mercury33 said:

That article gets a big ole “DUH”

Perhaps you haven't been on the internet since TLJ came out. :p

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1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said:

Perhaps you haven't been on the internet since TLJ came out. :p

If I didn’t question the viability of humanity before...the reaction to TLJ sure got me to😂

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I wonder when we'll start getting movie trailers in 4K. Especially for trailers like this I imagine there would be an audience that would appreciate the extra resolution to go through it frame by frame.

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55 minutes ago, TwinIon said:

I wonder when we'll start getting movie trailers in 4K. Especially for trailers like this I imagine there would be an audience that would appreciate the extra resolution to go through it frame by frame.

 

Hell I'm just happy to get 2.35:1 aspect ratio trailers without letterboxing. My GOD is that rare to find, and especially frustrating when using an Ultrawide monitor.

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Very few theatrical trailers are 4K. I’m guessing the studios just don’t bother handing over 4K assets to the production houses that do trailer/marketing work.

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10 hours ago, sblfilms said:

Very few theatrical trailers are 4K. I’m guessing the studios just don’t bother handing over 4K assets to the production houses that do trailer/marketing work.

Gotta keep them leaks at 480p

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Without getting into any of the political talk - I didn't like the way the jumping to lightspeed was used in TLJ to destroy the First Order ship.  The problem that creates is... there is really no reason someone would have to start close by to do that.  I mean they have shown in the movies that they have to calculate their entire route before they make the jump.  So with this new way of destroying ships basically both sides can destroy any ships from anywhere in the galaxy by sending smaller light speed ships to crash through them.  There would be no time to react - just boom you blew up.  And honestly this would be more of an advantage for the first order.  They can make their stormtroopers into kamikaze pilots and they have tons more ships.  Any time they find a rebel fleet or planet just send a bunch of small light speed objects crashing into them.  Not much a lightsaber can do against that.

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19 minutes ago, number305 said:

Without getting into any of the political talk - I didn't like the way the jumping to lightspeed was used in TLJ to destroy the First Order ship.  The problem that creates is... there is really no reason someone would have to start close by to do that.  I mean they have shown in the movies that they have to calculate their entire route before they make the jump.  So with this new way of destroying ships basically both sides can destroy any ships from anywhere in the galaxy by sending smaller light speed ships to crash through them.  There would be no time to react - just boom you blew up.  And honestly this would be more of an advantage for the first order.  They can make their stormtroopers into kamikaze pilots and they have tons more ships.  Any time they find a rebel fleet or planet just send a bunch of small light speed objects crashing into them.  Not much a lightsaber can do against that.

 

I mean, it's also easier to just throw a Star Destroyer into a planet (at normal speeds!) to create an extinction-level event anyway, no need for a Death Star. But for some reason that is never exploited. And really, if you sent even a VW Beetle to the speed of light into a planet you would have enough energy to kill everyone there. The physics of Star Wars do not make sense, we just have to accept that.

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48 minutes ago, number305 said:

Without getting into any of the political talk - I didn't like the way the jumping to lightspeed was used in TLJ to destroy the First Order ship.  The problem that creates is... there is really no reason someone would have to start close by to do that.  I mean they have shown in the movies that they have to calculate their entire route before they make the jump.  So with this new way of destroying ships basically both sides can destroy any ships from anywhere in the galaxy by sending smaller light speed ships to crash through them.  There would be no time to react - just boom you blew up.  And honestly this would be more of an advantage for the first order.  They can make their stormtroopers into kamikaze pilots and they have tons more ships.  Any time they find a rebel fleet or planet just send a bunch of small light speed objects crashing into them.  Not much a lightsaber can do against that.

 

Logically this doesn't make sense... ships are moving objects not stationary. Trying to warp into a ship cruising through space at any speed would be like trying to shoot a comet with another comet. Plus these things cost money. In modern warfare there has only been ONE army that employed Kamikaze tactics with on a regular scale and it didn't work out too well for them. The tactic was used as a last resort... not something that should be used over and over again. Why folks are harping on this is beyond me. It's not a tactic that should be employed regularly.

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"Why not just turn everyone into Kamikaze pilots?" Probably the same reason the Nazis didn't? The Empire is basically space Nazis.

 

Why is the concept of a sacrifice hard to understand? She sacrificed herself and caught them off guard; it's not a "new" way of destroying ships. Did people get this confused by the end of Independence Day?

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Vader sacrificed himself to save Luke. Darn, if only Mace Windu knew he could sneak behind Palpatine and throw him off a cliff in Episode 3; that would have been a new way to kill someone.

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2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

Vader sacrificed himself to save Luke. Darn, if only Mace Windu knew he could sneak behind Palpatine and throw him off a cliff in Episode 3; that would have been a new way to kill someone.

 

As we now know, throwing someone off a cliff doesn't kill them (unless they are Mace Windu or Han Solo). Darth Maul and Sheev Palpatine apparently both survived their falls! So it really only kills you if you are a good guy.

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1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said:

As we now know, throwing someone off a cliff doesn't kill them (unless they are Mace Windu or Han Solo). Darth Maul and Sheev Palpatine apparently both survived their falls! So it really only kills you if you are a good guy.

Fuck it, this is as good an excuse as any to post this absolute gem of a thesis on Obi-Wan abusing the high ground. I had nothing to do with making it, god knows I wish I had. Spoilers for Rebels, I guess.

 

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Obi-Wan doesn't need to be on the high ground, the high ground just needs to exist within the battle; Obi-Wan knows that when he has the low ground, he really has the high ground, from a certain point of view; see Diagram A.

 

Look at his battle record:

 

Maul: Has low ground, wins Example A

 

Dooku: No high ground, loses

 

Dooku rematch: No high ground, loses Example B.

 

Greivous: Has low ground, wins Example C

 

Vader: Has high ground, wins

 

Vader rematch: No high ground, loses

 

Obi-Wan with the high/low ground is canonically the most powerful Jedi. This is fact. Had Yoda not denied his request to battle The Senate with typical Jedi arrogance, Obi-Wan could have defeated Palpatine in the Senate building, which housed a variety of different altitudes; this was designed so that the Chancellor could always have the moral high ground in political debates. But Obi-wan didn't fight The Senate, and Yoda soon learned that you can't cleave the Sheev in a normal 1v1. It took the Tusken Raiders years of conflict against Old Ben Kenobi to grasp his superiority in terrain advantage, as you see them visibly flee in ANH when they realize he holds the low (inverse-high) ground; this was the optimal strategy against a near-invincible opponent.

 

Yoda is shorter than virtually every other fighter, which gives him a permanent low-ground disadvantage; however, his saber-fighting style utilizes a flipping-heavy technique in order to negate this weakness for a temporary window. You'll notice that, after falling from the central podium in The Senate's building, he immediately retreats upon realizing he is on the lowest ground. You'll also notice that, while training Luke, he rides on him like a mount, to gain the intellectual high ground and accelerate Luke's training. Example D . Obi-Wan's defensive Form III lightsaber style synergizes with his careful military maneuvers; as he only strikes when prepared, he can always hold the strategic high ground. (The business on Cato Neimodia doesn't count.) You'll come to realize that this is why Commander Cody's artillery strike failed against Obi-Wan, when hundreds of Jedi were killed in similar attacks. Cody failed to grasp the strategic situation, as the Jedi Master's elevation was superior to his by hundreds of meters, making him virtually unkillable. (You'll notice that all the Jedi killed in Order 66 were on level ground with the clones, thereby assuring their demise.) Had Cody taken his time and engaged the Jedi on even terrain, he would have succeeded. Obi-Wan subsequently retreated under the surface of the lake, so that he could maintain the topographical low/high ground. This is why Obi-Wan is so willing to fight against impossible odds to the point where he thrusts himself in immediate danger; when your probability of victory is 1-to-10, you have the statistical (and therefore strategic) low ground, a numerical advantage when you use your point of view to flip the value to 10/1 . Almost losing is, in Obi-Wan's case, certain victory. (See Example E).

 

As we all know, spinning is a good trick. However, only the Chosen One can spin outside of a starfighter. Palpatine tried spinning, but he lost due to this technique (but this was intentional, as losing gave him the emotional high ground when Anakin arrived). The reason for this is that spinning provides a yin-yang approach to combat (based in Eastern philosophy on balance), giving the spinner the high ground from above and below. Only the Chosen One can master the spin, as it is their destiny to maintain balance in the universe. This is why Obi-Wan was so emotional after defeating Vader on Mustafar; he expected to lose the high ground to the spin, but Anakin fell to the dark side and could no longer use his signature trick, becoming the very thing he swore to destroy. Additionally, Anakin told Obi-Wan that, from "[his] point of view, the Jedi are evil". This broadens Anakin's mind to the concept of relativity in the context of the moral high ground, a mere step away from tactical comprehension.

 

Anakin doesn't hate sand for the reasons he told Padme; all Jedi hate sand, as the battlefield can rapidly change between low and high ground on multiple vectors, so your perspective must be from a certain three-dimensional point of view in order to comprehend who holds the high ground. This is the only reason why Obi-Wan killed Maul in Rebels. This is also the reason why Obi-Wan hates flying; there is no gravity in space, therefore there is no high or low ground from any frame of reference (This also negates the spinning trick, as noted in Example F).

 

In ANH, Vader proves his newfound mastery by engaging Obi on perfectly even ground. However, Obi-Wan intentionally sacrifices himself on the Death Star, so that he could train Luke from a higher plane of existence, thereby giving him the metaphysical high ground Example G.

 

Why was Vader so invested in the construction and maintenance of the Death Star? Because he knows Obi-wan can't have the high ground if there's no ground left. Image A. As seen through the events of the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan was known to be on friendly terms with Senator Organa, whose homeworld held large quantities of mountainous terrain, the perfect habitat for a Jedi Master. Grand Moff Tarkin was already in position to destroy Alderaan as a first target, as the distance from Scarif to Alderaan was too vast to reach between the escape and recapture of the Tantive IV, even at 1.0 lightspeed. Alderaan had been the initial target all along, as Obi-Wan with the high ground was the primary threat to the Death Star. How? Because a moon-sized space station would have some form of gravitational pull, thereby negating Obi-Wan's zero-gravity weakness; Obi-Wan with the perpetual high-ground in a low-orbit starfighter would easily be able to fire proton torpedoes through a ventilation shaft, although the Empire was uncertain of the specific weakness of the Death Star planted by Galen Erso (who was a good friend).

 

In Return of the Jedi, you can see that the Throne Room contains a variety of different altitudes; Palpatine placed these there to ensure Vader's defeat. However, Sheev failed to realize that his weakness was no ground, and should have covered that useless gaping pit which does nothing.

 

A common misconception is the idea of a 'prostrate position' version of the high ground, wherein Obi-Wan lies flat on his back, giving him tactical superiority from his point of view. However, this strategy is futile, as for the high ground to come into effect, there must be a differential between parties on both the x-axis and y-axis to a moderately significant variation from both absolutes (Angles only a Sith would deal in). For Obi-Wan's high ground powers to be in full effect, he must stand between 15 and 75 degrees (π/12 to 5π/12 radians) diagonal from his opponent(s) on any quadrant of the area circle; this has been dubbed the Trigonometric Perspective Diagram. (Diagram B). The total effect for conventional high ground advantage can be calculated via the MetaComm Equation, or f(x) = lim 0→x π/12 | 7π/12 5π/12 | 11π/12 Ʃ(x) (2tan(x) / 3sin(x) + (log10Δ)) * cΦ

 

Δ = distance on hypotenuse (meters)

 

Φ = Surrounding Force [c (variable) * β (Earth Gravity) * (pressure (psi)/2.2)]

 

'x' refers to the angle of contact between the two parties on, with advantage being based purely on position on the Y-axis, as the vast majority of force users base their perception on elevation rather than spacial relativity.

 

The power of gravitational force has great effect on the high ground; too weak, and the high ground holds no traction; too strong and the ground becomes the real enemy. Experimentation has proven that the high ground typically holds significant value between .8 and 1.4 β (Earth Gravities) with maximum impact standing roughly equal to 1.05.

 

Pressure is equally important, as it is a surrounding force attached to gravity (the high ground has famously low impact in aquatic environments). Pressure(λ) is measured in pounds per square inch (psi), to be used as a gravity multiplier (or division if pressure is sub-atmospheric; Φ (Surrounding Force) is a variable defined as β * 2.2λ , with no metric value assigned due to its singular application in the MetaComm equations.

In situations regarding Obi-Wan and his relativistic point of view, you must substitute the Quadrilateral MetaComm Equation (the Jedi Master function), f(x) = lim 0→x minmaxƩ (2tan(x) / 3sin(x) ) * (1.2)cΦ [min = (|cos(x)| = 1) | (|sin(x)| = 1) + π/12 ), max = (|cos(x)| = 1) | (|sin(x)| = 1) + 5π/12 ].

 

The viable Φ field is expanded, as Obi-Wan has taken advantage of the high ground in so many different environments that he simply uses it more efficiently, and the min/max values apply due to his multidimensional point of view, evidenced by the Trigonometric Perspective Diagram. Additionally, the distance factor does not affect Obi-Wan, as spacetime can be perseptively compressed, giving him the ideal Δ value from his point of reference.

 

In conclusion, Obi-Wan abuses spatial relativity and Taoist doctrine in order to always invoke his high-ground powers. To properly analyze the strategic genius of Kenobi, one must hold advanced knowledge in Philosophy, Mathematics, and Calculus-based Physics, and be able to integrate these topics together.

 

 

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The best thing about that post is the person’s dedication to taking it all the way to its conclusion. There are many points where it could have ended with a reasonable chuckle, but they press on.

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1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 

Logically this doesn't make sense... ships are moving objects not stationary. Trying to warp into a ship cruising through space at any speed would be like trying to shoot a comet with another comet. Plus these things cost money. In modern warfare there has only been ONE army that employed Kamikaze tactics with on a regular scale and it didn't work out too well for them. The tactic was used as a last resort... not something that should be used over and over again. Why folks are harping on this is beyond me. It's not a tactic that should be employed regularly.

 

Planets are also always moving at rather extreme speeds, but they still seem able to warp to them within a reasonable proximity. It gets worse because stars are too, and planets are moving around them. I don't think you can plot any interstellar course without doing calculations that involve a lot of moving objects, so I don't think incorporating ship speed would be all that challenging.

 

 

1 hour ago, SaysWho? said:

"Why not just turn everyone into Kamikaze pilots?" Probably the same reason the Nazis didn't? The Empire is basically space Nazis.

 

Why is the concept of a sacrifice hard to understand? She sacrificed herself and caught them off guard; it's not a "new" way of destroying ships. Did people get this confused by the end of Independence Day?

 

I think the key is we couldn't automate things back then, and the effect of using a plane in the past wasn't so vastly more effective than weapons as it apparently is in TLJ light speed ramming.

 

 

 

I think I recall something being said somewhere that usually enemy ships would be able to anticipate these kinds of light-speed ramming attacks making it not typically a good strategy, but that in TLJ the nature of how the FO were pursuing made them specifically vulnerable to it in that moment.

 

Either way, it's SW, but if we're going to analyze this stuff...

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Holdo does a "nuclear option" to save the Resistance, which is literally about to be wiped out.

 

Some people are then incredulous why in Star Wars people don't just immediately go to the "nuclear option" to fight battles, despite the fact that Holdo probably killed numerous low level members of the First Order when she did that move which is probably against the conventional rules of warfare, but it was their very last option.

 

Like, should we simply nuke every country we are at war with? Would end the war easier! Oh, wait, collateral damage, even amongst their military? Ah, I see, it's because we're humane.

 

A droid doing it is stupid too. A droid didn't do it because it needed a human. Otherwise a droid would have done it. Unless you show me exactly the same tactic done elsewhere in Star Wars, done by a droid, then why are we otherwise presuming a droid *could* do it? I'm assuming a droid couldn't, which is why it required a human. Like anyone here knows what went into calculating and pulling off Holdo's maneauver. None of us know - it was probably unique enough it required a person.

 

Boom, done. Holdo was the only woman for the job, that's why she did it. Not hard to comprehend.

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2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 

Logically this doesn't make sense... ships are moving objects not stationary. Trying to warp into a ship cruising through space at any speed would be like trying to shoot a comet with another comet. Plus these things cost money. In modern warfare there has only been ONE army that employed Kamikaze tactics with on a regular scale and it didn't work out too well for them. The tactic was used as a last resort... not something that should be used over and over again. Why folks are harping on this is beyond me. It's not a tactic that should be employed regularly.

Logically every object in space is moving so to go from point A to point B they are navigating from, to, and around an astounding number of moving objects.  This is even stated as the reason that they can't go through an asteroid field (because it just adds too many variables to keep up with).

 

Also - what is different about this than WW2 Kamikaze pilots is it's effectiveness.  1 Kamikaze would not take out a battle ship.  What has been shown in star wars (and makes sense with physics) is that if you have a solid object going faster than the speed of light any impact is going to have catastrophic consequences.  Therefore you would be able to have very small ships taking out very large ships... or even planets.

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3 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

Holdo does a "nuclear option" to save the Resistance, which is literally about to be wiped out.

 

Some people are then incredulous why in Star Wars people don't just immediately go to the "nuclear option" to fight battles, despite the fact that Holdo probably killed numerous low level members of the First Order when she did that move which is probably against the conventional rules of warfare, but it was their very last option.

 

Like, should we simply nuke every country we are at war with? Would end the war easier! Oh, wait, collateral damage, even amongst their military? Ah, I see, it's because we're humane.

 

A droid doing it is stupid too. A droid didn't do it because it needed a human. Otherwise a droid would have done it. Unless you show me exactly the same tactic done elsewhere in Star Wars, done by a droid, then why are we otherwise presuming a droid *could* do it? I'm assuming a droid couldn't, which is why it required a human. Like anyone here knows what went into calculating and pulling off Holdo's maneauver. None of us know - it was probably unique enough it required a person.

 

Boom, done. Holdo was the only woman for the job, that's why she did it. Not hard to comprehend.

Silly on 2 counts.  

 

1.  The empire/First order is constantly creating ways of destroying worlds already.  Why would they not warp ships into planets/other ships if they could do that much cheaper than creating death stars.

 

2.  Droids can do literally every thing else.  What is magic about pushing buttons and pulling levers to jump to light speed that c3po could not do it?  Its also cannon that humans with close to zero training can quickly be brought up to speed on how to fly any vessel.

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29 minutes ago, legend said:

 

 

 

I think the key is we couldn't automate things back then, and the effect of using a plane in the past wasn't so vastly more effective than weapons as it apparently is in TLJ light speed ramming.

 

 

 

 

The key is crashing into ships was easier for the Japanese, but we only had the Japanese doing it. Germany didn't. Russia didn't. Italy didn't.

 

"Y everyone no kill themselves and nuke everything?" is the worst conversation about a movie I've ever read. Here's a movie showing someone last minute sacrificing herself to save the Resistance, "saving what we love" (which we saw several times), and armchair film directors who think they could do it better are trying to break down the science of a fantasy film.

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