Bacon Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Like, with GotG, there is some clear CG with Rocket and Groot, but it still looks really good, but what about 20-30 years from now? It would be neat to see the same movie just with better CGI. Like, Iron Man could already use some updated CGI, and Thanos could look more real in the future. But yeah, like could you just upgrade the graphics in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Star Wars did it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted April 2, 2019 Author Share Posted April 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said: Star Wars did it! I thought about that, but they mostly added rather than change shit around. Tho they did change some things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dualhunter Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 While it isn't CGI to better CGI, Star Trek TOS redid the original effects with CGI. Don't forget that one of the changes to Star Wars was changing Anakin's force ghost in RotJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, dualhunter said: While it isn't CGI to better CGI, Star Trek TOS redid the original effects with CGI. Don't forget that one of the changes to Star Wars was changing Anakin's force ghost in RotJ. From what I remember from reading about the TOS and TNG remasters, swapping in new CGI probably isn't terribly difficult if you plan ahead to leave that option open. I don't know if anyone cares enough to spend the money on that just in case they want to do it later, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 As long as the green screen footage doesn't get lost I don't see why they wouldn't do it at some point, as 'good enough" CGI should get cheaper to make. Biggest issue is money. I don't doubt beloved movies will get a full "remaster" in the future, since those have the best chance of making money. If green screen footage gets lost it would be harder and more expensive to do, but then maybe deep learning AI could solve this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBladeRoden Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 They keep trying to update the A New Hope Jabba scene, but it keeps looking terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdeaOfEvil Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Harmy's Star Wars is doing a fine job cgi'ing out the crappy cgi Lucas did to the OT =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 No, that is a terrible idea. Maybe as an alternative option, but you can't recreate lightning in a bottle. I would hate for Gollum, for instance, to be redone. Everything will age. Even if you update the CG now, it will age again in 10-20 years anyway. Then what? Update movies periodically forever? What about non-CGI dated issues with films like their practical effects, animatronics, models, etc.? No. Just no. Maintain the original artistic integrity of the work. It's partly why people hate the Star Wars special editions. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Update Toy Story 1 with Toy Story 4 CG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I do support films preservation and film restoration when possible so future generations can enjoy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 The question will be; in the era of streaming with fewer people buying physical movies on disc, is the money they'll make 'selling' new editions of a film worth the cost to the studio to re-do or add new CGI effects in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: No, that is a terrible idea. Maybe as an alternative option, but you can't recreate lightning in a bottle. I would hate for Gollum, for instance, to be redone. Everything will age. Even if you update the CG now, it will age again in 10-20 years anyway. Then what? Update movies periodically forever? What about non-CGI dated issues with films like their practical effects, animatronics, models, etc.? No. Just no. Maintain the original artistic integrity of the work. It's partly why people hate the Star Wars special editions. I think people hate the special editions for the changes/additions. Not for the straight forward improvements to existing visuals. Making the light-sabers look better, and making some of the cockpits not semi transparent for example are two touch ups that I don't think anyone complained about. I think if a studio wants to revisit and touch up a classic with just touch up to visuals then that is a great idea. But when you start tweaking dialog, adding or changing things then I would agree that it is a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, number305 said: I think people hate the special editions for the changes/additions. Not for the straight forward improvements to existing visuals. Making the light-sabers look better, and making some of the cockpits not semi transparent for example are two touch ups that I don't think anyone complained about. I think if a studio wants to revisit and touch up a classic with just touch up to visuals then that is a great idea. But when you start tweaking dialog, adding or changing things then I would agree that it is a bad idea. As I said, I'm fine with it as an alternative option, but changing the film negatives or digital file with new CGI is different than restoration and video clean up work. I'm all for the latter, but I'm only for the former if the originals are still offered in the best quality possible as well. I prefer Blade Runner: The Final Cut but I still believe Blade Runner theatrical version should be preserved in high quality. Also, I would not want this becoming standard practice. As I said, updating CGI for every film every 10-20 years just seems silly. The movies are good regardless of CGI and better CGI doesn't make them better or worse. Story, characters, dialogue, stakes - even shitty CGI doesn't bother me if I'm otherwise invested in the film. That's why classics remain classics despite looking dated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: As I said, I'm fine with it as an alternative option, but changing the film negatives or digital file with new CGI is different than restoration and video clean up work. I'm all for the latter, but I'm only for the former if the originals are still offered in the best quality possible as well. I prefer Blade Runner: The Final Cut but I still believe Blade Runner theatrical version should be preserved in high quality. Also, I would not want this becoming standard practice. As I said, updating CGI for every film every 10-20 years just seems silly. The movies are good regardless of CGI and better CGI doesn't make them better or worse. Story, characters, dialogue, stakes - even shitty CGI doesn't bother me if I'm otherwise invested in the film. That's why classics remain classics despite looking dated. I think we pretty much agree. I doubt this will happen to many films. I mean there is a cost involved to do the work. They are only going to 'mess' with movies that they think they can make a bunch of money selling special editions of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, number305 said: I think we pretty much agree. I doubt this will happen to many films. I mean there is a cost involved to do the work. They are only going to 'mess' with movies that they think they can make a bunch of money selling special editions of. I think we agree too - my posts are more directly addressing the OP's original ask - if all movies should be doing it, like Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. The way it's already been done for years is my preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hurdyb1 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 On 4/3/2019 at 8:54 AM, Greatoneshere said: No, that is a terrible idea. Maybe as an alternative option, but you can't recreate lightning in a bottle. I would hate for Gollum, for instance, to be redone. Everything will age. Even if you update the CG now, it will age again in 10-20 years anyway. Then what? Update movies periodically forever? What about non-CGI dated issues with films like their practical effects, animatronics, models, etc.? No. Just no. Maintain the original artistic integrity of the work. It's partly why people hate the Star Wars special editions. Even though I enjoy the changes that Lucas did with Star Wars, I agree here. Maintain the original integrity of the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 I saw this today and it made me think of this thread... so here ya go: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdeaOfEvil Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Watching that reimagined Star Wars fight, it opens up a can of worms about what people have come to accept with what the original the movie filmed versus what this new redux is retelling. It's a fine piece of work, but I've grown up thinking and accepting that the original fight was so slow and unenergetic (story line wise) because Obi Wan was too old. Now when I watch this new piece, it seems so out of place that Obi Wan is doing all of these high flipping moves and hard knock-downs when Alec Guinness never looked like he was capable of doing such things. It's kinda like watching the Star Trek TNG bluray reduxes and the Star Trek TOS reduxes. TNG recreated everything the show did without actually changing their original movements or actions while TOS changed movements and actions and made everything seem really out of place. There's a fine line between making something better by recreating in hd what was on screen shot for shot versus trying to make something better by recreating what you think should have been on screen in every shot, imo. I still say that as long as an original work is kept pristine and available, go ahead and do all these redux's. The Lucas edits are bad, but they're made even worse because the unedited footage is unavailable in a pristine format like the new edits are getting. If I had the choice between watching each version, I wouldn't care. But I don't, so I hate the edits even more. And plus, it's a moment in time. I don't need my movies to all look like they were made last week. I rather enjoy watching spaceships with strings attached to them, and crazy head explosions where for a millisecond you can see the dummy head right before it pops, because it looks better in those older movies versus mixing in a modern cg effect =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoJoe Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 hours ago, number305 said: I saw this today and it made me think of this thread... so here ya go: I saw that today too and was going to post it! haha If that had been in the original movie, I would be a HUGE SW fan. But alas! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 selective fixes would be a great way to refresh and justify purchase of older titles... an instance which immediately comes to mind is from The Crow...the scene where funboy shoots his hand and it heals is distressingly bad... some "bad" cgi should remain an age gracefully, that scene should not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, NeoJoe said: I saw that today too and was going to post it! haha If that had been in the original movie, I would be a HUGE SW fan. But alas! lol Whoever made this has some big talent. There are obviously a few parts that don't look perfect, but it is a fan edit. To be honest this scene makes more sense than the original one now if you pair this movie with rogue one. Vader was a badass at the end of that movie, so for him to be slow and awkward fighting Obi-Wan is even worse now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 That scene was dope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Too many stupid cuts, rotations and the darth vader looks like some cosplay dwarf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: Too many stupid cuts, rotations and the darth vader looks like some cosplay dwarf. Who pissed in your Cheerios? I liked it. It obviously could be better, but considering this wasn’t done by ILM I’d say it turned out pretty good. It definitely matches the expectation set by other movies and lore far more than the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I think we've just discovered the next logical step after Remake Mania. CGI Remaster Mania. Someone phone Hollywood, quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emblazon Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I would like to see an updated The Last Starfighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenTongue Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 THE WIZARD OF OZ Technicolor was fucking awesome to the extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxick Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Emblazon said: I would like to see an updated The Last Starfighter. I'd rather them put out a release of The Last Starfighter that wasn't DNR'ed to absolute hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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