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Jason

The official thread of no of course we're not running concentration camps how dare you imply that and even if we are the Democrats made us do it.

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I've been arguing this whole time that even if you don't care about undocumented immigrants, asylum seeking is a legal process and that is being denied undocumented immigrants as well, ripping families seeking asylum legally as well as actual "illegal" immigrants.

 

Meanwhile, American citizens continue shooting and killing each other en masse. 

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14 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4732583?__twitter_impression=true

 

 

Border patrol entered Canadian waters to find illegal immigrants on Canadian fishing vessels.

 

Canadian fishermen should count themselves lucky Border Patrol didn't just open fire from the American side. :flag:

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Woman climbed the Statue of Liberty in protest of Trump's policies and ICE.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said:

Real talk that statue must be hot AF right now lawdy lawd.

 

At this point the exterior is whatever the copper equivalent of rust is so maybe not? 

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12 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

I guess the judge could've come up with the solution of "bring the dog to court".

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51 minutes ago, 2user1cup said:

Jesus Christ.

 

This is going to be really bad isn't it? Like.. it's really bad, but it's going to be way worse.

Yup 

 

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IT is not so much that the laws, process, and execution is cruel... its the idea that so many of our "freedom and justice" loving citizens must be involved in running this whole operation at all levels and are gladly complicit of it.

 

if these little anecdotes is whats squeaking out, the full picture must be something else.. i doubt anyone gets in trouble, but if they do i hope they have a fall guy ready

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30 minutes ago, 2user1cup said:

 

The Democrats arguing against abolishing ICE -- that regular Customs will continue to enforce Trump's policy regardless as to what ICE is doing and it's more an enforcement problem than a problem with the agency -- have a point. It's why even Bernie Sanders didn't directly address the question when asked; it's a popular thing for progressives, but will it actually fix the family separation problem and enforcement policies?

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1 hour ago, SaysWho? said:

 

The Democrats arguing against abolishing ICE -- that regular Customs will continue to enforce Trump's policy regardless as to what ICE is doing and it's more an enforcement problem than a problem with the agency -- have a point. It's why even Bernie Sanders didn't directly address the question when asked; it's a popular thing for progressives, but will it actually fix the family separation problem and enforcement policies?

I think abolishing ICE is more of a symbolic measure about who the Democrats are, what they believe in and stand for and they can't align on that. It's "are you in or are you out" and we say "what is it mean to be in or out?" instead of yeah! Or naw!

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1 minute ago, 2user1cup said:

I think abolishing ICE is more of a symbolic measure about who the Democrats are, what they believe in and stand for and they can't align on that. It's "are you in or are you out" and we say "what is it mean to be in or out?" instead of yeah! Or naw!

 

But doesn't that strike you as odd that taking a position that won't actually fix a problem is seen as a potent symbol? I think issues such as Medicare-for-All, bringing back Glass-Steagall, erasing gerrymandering, comprehensive gun control, full marijuana legalization, and major infrastructure investment are a far better and more tangible set of issues to create a platform, and issues that will bring something much better than what we have now. Abolish ICE doesn't necessarily fix the problem; ending Zero Tolerance does.

 

In some ways, I get the idea of taking a position like that to change the Overton Window, a term I've honestly heard a lot about just in the past month or so (shifting the sphere of the kinds of arguments that are tolerated in public), but I don't think that's really the position considering it's unlike the others imo. I'm honestly being won over by a lot of what progressives are saying; this is really one of the few things I'm not as gung-ho on.

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Those are all important issues that need to be addressed with boring policy. The party needs some meat to rally behind, and if ICE is the goat that gets slaughtered to pave way for tangible victories so be it.

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