johnny Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 That article was a waste of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 Someone cut together episodes 5 and 1 and placed them in chronological order, if anyone is interested in seeing the disaster play out that way. I love how the show started as a horror show, then turned into basically a disaster movie, and then a war story, and finally a murder mystery. Craig Mazin is kind of a genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 1 hour ago, CayceG said: Craig Mazin is kind of a genius. I’ve been saying this since Scary Movie 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 11:57 AM, CayceG said: I haven't read the New Yorker piece, but I have read things about Dyatlov. He was a guy baked into the system and was ambitious to ascend and become a "boss" like Fomin. He was very competent and knew how the operate the reactor, but he was a shrewd manager and did indeed berate people. However, after serving a prison sentence for his role in the disaster, he spoke out against blaming the personnel (Akimov, Toptunov, etc) for their actions, because of the flaws in the reactor design. So he was a complicated figure that got some form of redemption for the operators in the end, but did wind up dying of radiation related illness. So I'd say that's some penance. Additionally, Legasov is not portrayed this way in episodes 1-4, but he was a party apparatchik in real life. That comes out a bit when the KGB guy gets him in the room in ep. 5 and recounts the things he's done on his way up the ladder. But knowing what I know about him, he was a party guy through and through. He just broke out beyond that through the course of the disaster. But of course, portraying it that way would prove difficult, narratively. Should I bother? Because I don't care to read rehashed criticisms of "oh, well, Khomyuk wasn't a real person, so they got it wrong" or "Ignatienka already had kids when she was pregnant at Hospital No. 6." Yeah, I found that article after having only watched up to episode 3 and just finished the last two tonight. I was surprised when I got to the scene with the KGB guy after the trial where the KGB guy basically directly calls out Legasov for being a party man and working the system his whole life. The piece made it sound like there was nothing like that in there. I think it was definitely a strategic decision to hold that into the very end, and I'm sure the real Legasov differed a lot from how he was presented in episodes 1-4, but... I dunno, that's kinda fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 1:39 PM, TwinIon said: I imagine this will be a fun watch: I just read the New Yorker piece on what Chernobyl got horribly wrong, and I feel like the overall criticism is horribly vague, or directed at dramatic devices that I find easy to forgive. Yes, it's probably true that a scientist like Legasov would have known how the system works, and there would have been fewer direct threats or direct challenges, but I can forgive those artificial moments for the drama they produce. The amalgam character of Khomyuk exists to show all the alternative viewpoints and outside expertise that various scientists brought to the disaster. She's a convenient narrative device, if not a very accurate one. The big lie, according to the New Yorker, is that Dyatlov was not particularly responsible for what happened. Instead it was simply a matter of "a system digging its own grave." My reading of the series is that's exactly what Dyatlov represents, but the New Yorker doesn't address any specifics as to what happened to cause the disaster. From the little outside reading I've done on this subject, I feel like Craig Mazin did his best to accurately represent exactly what happened, as far as we can tell. Maybe we should have spent more time with Dyatlov before the disaster to better understand all the incentives and deficiencies in the system that explain his actions that night, but it certainly seems like the mechanics of the story were correct. The creator literally talks about the need to take some dramatic licence in the podcast. Specifically on many of these exact issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I rewatched the first three episodes last night. That's a fucking marathon of heavy. I'm going to watch 4 and 5 again throughout the week. This show is so incredible. But there are liberties taken with facts. But in general, I think it's extremely forgivable because either that's what they thought at the time, or the portrayal is to make a point for characterization. But I super don't want to get into filmmaking criticisms here. It's too poignant for the discussion to descend into those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I think Craig Mazin should stop doing comedies (given that's all he's done until Chernobyl and they have all been uniformly terrible). Stick to drama/serious work Craig Mazin, he's clearly much better at it than comedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: I think Craig Mazin should stop doing comedies (given that's all he's done until Chernobyl and they have all been uniformly terrible). Stick to drama/serious work Craig Mazin, he's clearly much better at it than comedy. it could also be that this was an actual passion project, and most of those trash movies were probably just "work". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: it could also be that this was an actual passion project, and most of those trash movies were probably just "work". I'm sure that it was but he literally made only bad movies until Chernobyl, even if a project isn't your passion project if you have the skill he shows here in Chernobyl your previous work should at least accidentally be better than his resume indicates. The clear difference is tone - everything else he's done before have all been clear-cut comedies (barring The Huntsman: Winter's War, which he co-wrote, which you could argue is an unintentional comedy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Yeah, this makes sense. I don't wish harm to anyone. But I do hope they lose followers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 A few of those are like "okay, they are kind of stupid and insensitive, but they appear to be taking precautions." And then there is the girl leaning against the metal, radioactive bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Also there is something extremely morbid about going to a site that witnessed ungodly horrors to take a glory shot of your ass. Next up: dick pics from Auschwitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Also there is something extremely morbid about going to a site that witnessed ungodly horrors to take a glory shot of your ass. Next up: dick pics from Auschwitz About that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Next up: dick pics from Auschwitz A Bunch of People Got Naked and Slaughtered a Sheep at Auschwitz Israeli school pupils caught dancing naked at Nazi death camp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 There’s an instagram account dedicated to Auschwitz thirst traps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 They say groups of people are stupid, and this is generally true! But please, please, don't discount how stupid individuals can be as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Going to a birthday party this weekend for a senior reactor operator who works at Ginna nuclear power plant which is the oldest nuclear power plant in operation in the US, the party will be full of people that work at the plant. Can't wait to hear how many questions I overhear about Chernobyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, elbobo said: Going to a birthday party this weekend for a senior reactor operator who works at Ginna nuclear power plant which is the oldest nuclear power plant in operation in the US, the party will be full of people that work at the plant. Can't wait to hear how many questions I overhear about Chernobyl. If you're asked how you like the cake, respond with "not great, not terrible." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 10 hours ago, CayceG said: If you're asked how you like the cake, respond with "not great, not terrible." Will it be....yellow??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 The President of Ukraine has awarded the country's highest honor--Hero of Ukraine--to the three divers at Chernobyl that opened the gates. https://www.president.gov.ua/documents/4682019-27817 Quote For heroism and selfless actions found during the liquidation of the Chernobyl accident, I resolve: To Assign the Hero of Ukraine with the Order of the "Golden Star" ANANENKO Oleksiy Mikhailovich - Senior Mechanical Engineer of the reactor shop of the state-owned specialized enterprise "Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant" in 1983 - 1989 BESPALOV Valery Alekseevich - senior engineer of the turbine shop of the state-owned specialized enterprise "Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant" in 1986 To Assign the Hero of Ukraine with the Order of the "Golden Star" (posthumously) Boranov Boris Alexandrovich - Chief of the Chornobyl NPP State Specialized Enterprise, 1976-2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, CayceG said: The President of Ukraine has awarded the country's highest honor--Hero of Ukraine--to the three divers at Chernobyl that opened the gates. https://www.president.gov.ua/documents/4682019-27817 Did it actually take a TV show's attention to get this done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Just now, Bloodporne said: Did it actually take a TV show's attention to get this done? The president acknowledged that the honor was in part due to renewed attention brought by the series. So yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 1 minute ago, CayceG said: The president acknowledged that the honor was in part due to renewed attention brought by the series. So yes. Sad but a really cool outcome at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just watched all of this from start to finish in one sitting. That was a long block of intensity. Fucking phenomenal show. I agree with @johnny, make it eligible for best picture Oscar, format be damned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 12:51 PM, CayceG said: Someone cut together episodes 5 and 1 and placed them in chronological order, if anyone is interested in seeing the disaster play out that way. I love how the show started as a horror show, then turned into basically a disaster movie, and then a war story, and finally a murder mystery. Craig Mazin is kind of a genius. Thank you for this! Just shared with my friend too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 When They See Us is currently favored to beat this at the Emmys. A bunch of codswallop I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 9 hours ago, johnny said: When They See Us is currently favored to beat this at the Emmys. A bunch of codswallop I say. I would be totally fine with such an outcome - I certainly wouldn't feel that Chernobyl had been "robbed". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 10 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: I would be totally fine with such an outcome - I certainly wouldn't feel that Chernobyl had been "robbed". Certainly wouldn’t be a robbery but I can comfortably say Chernobyl is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/2/2019 at 4:23 AM, SFLUFAN said: I would be totally fine with such an outcome - I certainly wouldn't feel that Chernobyl had been "robbed". Good news. Chernobyl won! And I won some money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 I have yet to see When They See Us, but I'm happy for Chernobyl win it. I feel like Chernobyl is the kind of series that will be kind of timeless, where every once in a while some thread brings it up and everyone re-discovers how great it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Finally got around to seeing this, and it did not disappoint. The monster aspect was played up so well I felt the urge to shield my face in that first episode. What intrigued me more was the social-political dynamics of the movie. How the pretense to continue the farce of "Russian" superiority lead. While I don't doubt half of Americans will watch this and conclude that communism is a failure, the blindness of nationality and the greed of human endeavor are seeds of downfall for our capitalistic society. The same bureaucracy exhibited by the CPSU plagues our own democracy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/2/2020 at 10:47 PM, cusideabelincoln said: Finally got around to seeing this, and it did not disappoint. The monster aspect was played up so well I felt the urge to shield my face in that first episode. What intrigued me more was the social-political dynamics of the movie. How the pretense to continue the farce of "Russian" superiority lead. While I don't doubt half of Americans will watch this and conclude that communism is a failure, the blindness of nationality and the greed of human endeavor are seeds of downfall for our capitalistic society. The same bureaucracy exhibited by the CPSU plagues our own democracy. I think the main difference is: USSR Government workers had to pretend the USSR was the best People knew it sucked USA Government workers know it sucks People are dumb enough to believe it is the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Watched this over the last few days. The superlatives are actually true. Definitely check it out if you haven’t yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 "Vichnaya Pamyat" (Eternal Memory) is a truly haunting piece of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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