Scott Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 “Bob Mueller should not testify.” Spoken like an innocent man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Totally clears the president! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Guys, Flynn had tapes. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/flynn-told-mueller-people-tied-trump-congress-tried-obstruct-probe-n1006666 “The defendant informed the government of multiple instances, both before and after his guilty plea, where either he or his attorneys received communications from persons connected to the Administration or Congress that could’ve affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation,” the court papers say. Flynn even provided a voicemail recording of one such communication, the court papers say. Prosecutors did not identify any of the people who reached out to Flynn, but said the special counsel's office was in some instances "unaware of the outreach until being alerted to it by the defendant." No other details were provided in the filing, but the Mueller report noted that President Donald Trump's personal lawyer left a voicemail message for Flynn in late November 2017 that addressed the possibility of him cooperating with the government. "t wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with ... the government," the attorney said in the voicemail message, according to Mueller. f... there's information that implicates the President, then we've got a national security issue [so] ... we need some kind of heads up. Just for the sake of protecting all our interests if we can .... [R]emember what we've always said about the President and his feelings toward Flynn and, that still remains." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodimus Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 What happened to May 15th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Rodimus said: What happened to May 15th? Just did a search. Apparently Trump's Executive Privilege stunt effectively delayed Mueller's testimony indefinitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Reputator said: Just did a search. Apparently Trump's Executive Privilege stunt effectively delayed Mueller's testimony indefinitely. How. Trump wasn’t called to testify. Mueller can wave executive privilege for his own testimony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: How. Trump wasn’t called to testify. Mueller can wave executive privilege for his own testimony. I don't think he can for evidence involving Trump's administration. He could still testify but his answers would be neutered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, Reputator said: I don't think he can for evidence involving Trump's administration. He could still testify but his answers would be neutered. I haven't been able to find any information on what happens if a person willingly breaks executive privilege against the wishes of the President. I don't think it's illegal, just unorthodox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: I haven't been able to find any information on what happens if a person willingly breaks executive privilege against the wishes of the President. I don't think it's illegal, just unorthodox. I could picture someone from Trump's team doing that against an opponent of his, but not by-the-book Mueller. President Biden could unseal the crap out of everything, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Executive Privilege seems like one of those things that should require some kind of check from another branch of government. Like if an administration claims executive privilege to get out of testifying before Congress then the administration has to make a case for executive privilege before one or more federal judges or the Supreme Court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Reputator said: I could picture someone from Trump's team doing that against an opponent of his, but not by-the-book Mueller. President Biden could unseal the crap out of everything, though. Biden is too much a part of the system to ever go after Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Biden is too much a part of the system to ever go after Trump. Well, he's sure talking a big game right now, while every other Dem candidate is talking about issues and policy. I'd be happy with any of them, tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I think the main delay with Mueller testifying is that he is still technically employed by DoJ. As long as he works for the executive, it is very easy for them to slow role his testimony. He will be leaving soon, but of course the catch is that you don't want him leaving before he has done all he can to put current and future investigations on a firm footing. An extreme example is that Mueller could have resigned in protest the day after the Barr Memo and ran to Congress. And then guess who would have been in sole control of the redaction process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, Reputator said: Well, he's sure talking a big game right now, while every other Dem candidate is talking about issues and policy. I'd be happy with any of them, tbh. Warren seems to walk and chew gum at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 I simply cannot find anything describing a "penalty" (legal or otherwise) that would be imposed for violating executive privilege. It strikes me that this is one of those stupid "norm" things that people are afraid of violating because of "reasons". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Reputator said: President Biden could unseal the crap out of everything, though. No president will rat out another, never going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I simply cannot find anything describing a "penalty" (legal or otherwise) that would be imposed for violating executive privilege. It strikes me that this is one of those stupid "norm" things that people are afraid of violating because of "reasons". You mean treasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: You mean treasons treasonsn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Reputator said: I could picture someone from Trump's team doing that against an opponent of his, but not by-the-book Mueller. President Biden could unseal the crap out of everything, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 6:05 PM, Chairslinger said: He's the second best candidate the dems have. They aren't smart enough to vote for Tulsi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republican-rep-justin-amash-says-trump-should-be-impeached/2019/05/18/be3c3b3c-79a6-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html?fbclid=IwAR3xwA5_fyoX3apBWnEB4TTnHWm2go0zFAcotDS0Ez4mr5SB8BCjV4ysMT8&utm_term=.64f3c89fa70b Amash wrote that after reading the 448-page report, he had concluded that not only did Mueller’s team show Trump attempting to obstruct justice, but that Attorney General William P. Barr had “deliberately misrepresented” the findings. He added that “few members of Congress even read Mueller’s report.” “Contrary to Barr’s portrayal, Mueller’s report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment,” Amash wrote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 1 hour ago, TheGreatGamble said: He's the second best candidate the dems have. They aren't smart enough to vote for Tulsi. Such a bad take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republican-rep-justin-amash-says-trump-should-be-impeached/2019/05/18/be3c3b3c-79a6-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html?fbclid=IwAR3xwA5_fyoX3apBWnEB4TTnHWm2go0zFAcotDS0Ez4mr5SB8BCjV4ysMT8&utm_term=.64f3c89fa70b Amash wrote that after reading the 448-page report, he had concluded that not only did Mueller’s team show Trump attempting to obstruct justice, but that Attorney General William P. Barr had “deliberately misrepresented” the findings. He added that “few members of Congress even read Mueller’s report.” “Contrary to Barr’s portrayal, Mueller’s report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment,” Amash wrote. So how long until the RINO calls start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Such a bad take Ya, so horrible that she wants to end US interference around the world and work to make the lives of Americans better. everyone hates her, but nobody has a decent reason why (aside from her actions/words as s teen/young adult, almost two decades ago). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 3 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: He's the second best candidate the dems have. They aren't smart enough to vote for Tulsi. The catfisher supports the Russia backed candidate. Who da thunk it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 13 hours ago, Jose said: The catfisher supports the Russia backed candidate. Who da thunk it? Warren is Russian backed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 In a 41-page opinion, Judge Amit Mehta of the DC District Court asserts that Congress is well within its authority to investigate President Donald Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: In a 41-page opinion, Judge Amit Mehta of the DC District Court asserts that Congress is well within its authority to investigate President Donald Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 So that means tonight's/tomorrow morning's twitter tantrum will be a good one, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Littleronin said: So that means tonight's/tomorrow morning's twitter tantrum will be a good one, correct? All caps, no naps! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On the downside, this is just the start of the appeals process, I think. On the plus side, the argument Trump's lawyers used in this case is basically the same one they are using in all the other stonewalling cases Trump has racked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaladinSolo Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 This is the case where trumps lawyers tried to argue both whitewater and Watergate investigations were illegal, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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