Guest Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: The law literally allows prison for people reading material the government doesn’t agree with. It’s the definition of disgusting I’m fine with stifling the distribution of material intended to incite violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 As if reading it wasn't punishment enough now you have to face jail time? Jeesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 9 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: Doesn't matter. Even if someone just wanted to carry a copy of it to be an asshole, they should be allowed. That person should be treated as a potential suspect of a future mass shooting. Fuck anyone trying to "be an asshole" by carrying around the manifesto of a mass murderer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Got a bunch of book burners itt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, mclumber1 said: Got a bunch of book burners itt. If the goal of the book is to incite violence, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuckle85 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 17 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: The law literally allows prison for people reading material the government doesn’t agree with. It’s the definition of disgusting And your content ITT which kinda seems to imply you think being potentially disallowed to pew pew your guns and read a bigoted mass murderer's manifesto any time you want is equally as upsetting (if not more upsetting, given how much you've been whining about those things) as a fucking hate crime mass shooting of 50 people? Is it possible that your political opinions might be disgusting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, fuckle85 said: And your content ITT which kinda seems to imply you think being potentially disallowed to pew pew your guns and read a bigoted mass murderer's manifesto any time you want is equally as upsetting (if not more upsetting, given how much you've been whining about those things) as a fucking hate crime mass shooting of 50 people? Is it possible that your political opinions might be disgusting? Don’t believe I should be able to shoot guns anywhere, just where it’s safe. Care to make up any other lies? Making anyones writing illegal is disgusting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I feel like I should know who fuckle is from his bizarre style of writing. Ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 15 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Got a bunch of book burners itt. Yes, and...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I feel like I should know who fuckle is from his bizarre style of writing. Ridiculous. He already said he was biggie but apologized for being a bigot by saying that account was actually driven by AI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 People give the guillotine for weird reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Case in point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Anathema- said: He already said he was biggie but apologized for being a bigot by saying that account was actually driven by AI. wat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, SilentWorld said: wat I read it, I think it was earlier in this thread. Obviously a joke, but still kinda strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 16 hours ago, sblfilms said: If the goal of the book is to incite violence, sure. If you read a book that had a goal of inciting violence, would you? Its amazing to me what type of violence some people find to be ok and give a free pass to. It’s equally amazing to me that there are many people here who obviously haven’t read the Bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: wat Don't ask me I'm just the reporter here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I have to admit, I'm a little uncomfortable with banning literature. It sets a precedent that could go awry. That said, I'd never read garbage like that. I've only read what I've seen reported in the news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Case in point. How could you not see that coming?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: How could you not see that coming?! I did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Though I figured it'd be SW to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I've always had the belief that there's nothing that could be written that could counter the prescription for free speech. This manifesto gets me to at least reconsider. I'm also uneasy at the idea of banning books but this isn't a book as much as it is propaganda .. And not the kind that's merely hyped up rhetoric but it's written in such coded language that poses a real risk to a vulnerable or suggestable mind. That absolutely is worth considering before anything is decided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Boyle5150 said: If you read a book that had a goal of inciting violence, would you? Maybe, though unlikely. But I don’t have to myself be convinced to commit an act of violence to know that humans use written and spoken words to incite violence every day, and I’m ok with limiting such speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Mmmkay, so let's ban the Bible and the Koran. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Mmmkay, so let's ban the Bible and the Koran. I can’t speak on the topic of the Koran, I am only moderately familiar with it, but the writers of the Bible don’t advocate for violence against anybody. The first 70% is mostly a history of a people group, and the rest is written by oppressed people about the cosmic justice that will come due one day via supernatural means. People who use these books to incite violence should be held responsible for those words. The goal of the manifesto, based on parts I’ve heard on news coverage, is specifically meant to incite violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Oh, so all that genocide God commanded his people to commit wasn't really violence. Gotcha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The Bible is a religious text. The Christchurch manifesto is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Oh, so all that genocide God commanded his people to commit wasn't really violence. Gotcha. Is your history book inciting violence by talking about violent history? No. Incitement is a specific and intentional action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Is your history book inciting violence by talking about violent history? No. Incitement is a specific and intentional action. I'm only using your logic. I don't advocate for any literature to be banned. But those religious texts have incited countless acts of violence for centuries. God literally commanded his people to commit genocide. There are Commandments stating the punishment for certain "crimes" is death. It's filled with commands to commit violence. And people have used it to justify horrific behaviors during the entire history of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuckle85 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I feel like I should know who fuckle is from his bizarre style of writing. Ridiculous. What are you finding ridiculous exactly? My previous post ITT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I'm only using your logic. I don't advocate for any literature to be banned. But those religious texts have incited countless acts of violence for centuries. God literally commanded his people to commit genocide. There are Commandments stating the punishment for certain "crimes" is death. It's filled with commands to commit violence. You aren’t using my logic because you don’t understand the word “incite” in this context. If I tell you a story about seeing a guy in the middle of town saying we need to kill all the black folks, who is inciting violence? Even the OT law isn’t inciting violence, it is a record of the legal system of a nation that ceased to exist 2000 years ago. It does not command anybody living today to commit any violence nor does it attempt to encourage such. You aren’t even trying hard here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, fuckle85 said: What are you finding ridiculous exactly? My previous post ITT? Your style of writing. It just strikes me as erratic. "pew pew" and "boomsticks" and rambling on and on. I feel like I should know who you are if you posted here regularly, because it's a distinct style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, sblfilms said: You aren’t using my logic because you don’t understand the word “incite” in this context. If I tell you a story about seeing a guy in the middle of town saying we need to kill all the black folks, who is inciting violence? Even the OT law isn’t inciting violence, it is a record of the legal system of a nation that ceased to exist 2000 years ago. It does not command anybody living today to commit any violence nor does it attempt to encourage such. You aren’t even trying hard here Nah, you're just cherry picking. People haven't been using history books to justify violence for centuries. But when God issues commandments through a holy book, people take it a little differently. Those holy books have incited far more violence than this nutbag's manifesto could ever dream of. Like I said, I don't advocate for banning any literature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Nah, you're just cherry picking. People haven't been using history books to justify violence for centuries. But when God issues commandments through a holy book, people take it a little differently. Those holy books have incited far more violence than this nutbag's manifesto could ever dream of. Like I said, I don't advocate for banning any literature. You literally don’t understand what I’m saying and apparently have no desire for actual dialogue. That’s fine, say that up front and save some time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, sblfilms said: You literally don’t understand what I’m saying and apparently have no desire for actual dialogue. That’s fine, say that up front and save some time! What are you talking about? You're really condescending when you act like this. I'm making an honest argument, but you don't like it. That's fine and all, but don't act like I'm being dishonest here. We can disagree. I don't really wanna argue about this all night, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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