SaysWho? Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-governor/2019/03/12/kentucky-gov-matt-bevin-signs-permitless-concealed-carry-bill/3137955002/ Quote Gov. Matt Bevin signed into law Monday a bill that lets people carry a concealed gun without first getting a permit or completing a background check and safety training. Senate Bill 150 was backed by the National Rifle Association but opposed by groups such as Louisville Metro Police and the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 That's 16? 17 states now? Good trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 So dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 It's a fucking stupid trend. I feel super comfortable with more idiots with no proper training carrying around deadly weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Does this extend to black people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Ghost_MH said: Does this extend to black people? By law yes, by practice no. Discretion is the American fascism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 And no; another state passing blanket unregulated allowance for owning, carrying, and hiding your killing tools is not a good trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 It’s probably easier to purchase and carry a weapon of death than to vote in Kentucky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Another civil right restored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 How many people will die because gun nuts need that "civil right"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 One legal question that is vexing here. When the founding fathers enshrined concealed carry in the Constitution did they envision shoving the musket down your pants leg and walking stiff legged like Bender stealing a sword? Or slung over your back like a katana with a really bulking coat on top of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: How many people will die because gun nuts need that "civil right"? AFAIK, the other states that have permitless carry have not seen an increase in gun deaths because of the law change. And the people who were killing others in the streets were generally carrying illegally in the first place (either because they didn't have a permit, and/or they were a prohibited person such as a felon or domestic abuser.) This will have negligible impact on gun deaths one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: AFAIK, the other states that have permitless carry have not seen an increase in gun deaths because of the law change. And the people who were killing others in the streets were generally carrying illegally in the first place (either because they didn't have a permit, and/or they were a prohibited person such as a felon or domestic abuser.) This will have negligible impact on gun deaths one way or another. How many additional deaths do you find to be an acceptable cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Essentially, it's "fuck it, everyone should be packing with no regulations and accountability" because the criminals do it anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 So requiring gun owners to display that they can responsibly handle guns is an infringement on their civil right? I can't even get frustrated anymore. Evolution will deal with the mindset that actually believes this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 http://vpc.org/press/states-with-weak-gun-laws-and-higher-gun-ownership-lead-nation-in-gun-deaths-new-data-for-2017-confirms/ http://vpc.org/press/more-than-1200-non-self-defense-deaths-involving-concealed-carry-killers-since-2007-latest-violence-policy-center-research-shows/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2017/10/19/states-with-looser-concealed-carry-laws-have-more-gun-deaths-study-says/?utm_term=.780f47c4fec0 https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304057 Objectives. To examine the relation of “shall-issue” laws, in which permits must be issued if requisite criteria are met; “may-issue” laws, which give law enforcement officials wide discretion over whether to issue concealed firearm carry permits or not; and homicide rates. Methods. We compared homicide rates in shall-issue and may-issue states and total, firearm, nonfirearm, handgun, and long-gun homicide rates in all 50 states during the 25-year period of 1991 to 2015. We included year and state fixed effects and numerous state-level factors in the analysis. Results. Shall-issue laws were significantly associated with 6.5% higher total homicide rates, 8.6% higher firearm homicide rates, and 10.6% higher handgun homicide rates, but were not significantly associated with long-gun or nonfirearm homicide. Conclusions. Shall-issue laws are associated with significantly higher rates of total, firearm-related, and handgun-related homicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: http://vpc.org/press/states-with-weak-gun-laws-and-higher-gun-ownership-lead-nation-in-gun-deaths-new-data-for-2017-confirms/ http://vpc.org/press/more-than-1200-non-self-defense-deaths-involving-concealed-carry-killers-since-2007-latest-violence-policy-center-research-shows/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2017/10/19/states-with-looser-concealed-carry-laws-have-more-gun-deaths-study-says/?utm_term=.780f47c4fec0 https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304057 Objectives. To examine the relation of “shall-issue” laws, in which permits must be issued if requisite criteria are met; “may-issue” laws, which give law enforcement officials wide discretion over whether to issue concealed firearm carry permits or not; and homicide rates. Methods. We compared homicide rates in shall-issue and may-issue states and total, firearm, nonfirearm, handgun, and long-gun homicide rates in all 50 states during the 25-year period of 1991 to 2015. We included year and state fixed effects and numerous state-level factors in the analysis. Results. Shall-issue laws were significantly associated with 6.5% higher total homicide rates, 8.6% higher firearm homicide rates, and 10.6% higher handgun homicide rates, but were not significantly associated with long-gun or nonfirearm homicide. Conclusions. Shall-issue laws are associated with significantly higher rates of total, firearm-related, and handgun-related homicide. Seen any studies about “constitutional carry” states? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: So requiring gun owners to display that they can responsibly handle guns is an infringement on their civil right? I can't even get frustrated anymore. Evolution will deal with the mindset that actually believes this. I'm actually not opposed to training requirements in order to get a concealed weapons permit (I have one myself), but I am opposed to a "may issue" system like what is in place in NY, CA, NJ and a few other states. May-issue unfairly hits the poor, and especially minorities, the hardest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I'm actually not opposed to training requirements in order to get a concealed weapons permit (I have one myself), but I am opposed to a "may issue" system like what is in place in NY, CA, NJ and a few other states. May-issue unfairly hits the poor, and especially minorities, the hardest. Come on man, don’t pretend that Mclumber “We need silencers” 1’s concern is poor and brown people having a hard time getting permits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: So requiring gun owners to display that they can responsibly handle guns is an infringement on their civil right? I can't even get frustrated anymore. Evolution will deal with the mindset that actually believes this. If I have to show my goddamn ID every single time I vote, and have to prove I'm a US citizen when I register, gun owners should have to do the same at the very least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaynay1 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: Seen any studies about “constitutional carry” states? Vermont has had constitutional carry since its founding in 1791 and is most years the safest state in the union as far as gun violence goes. It usually bounces around in the top spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 thank u governor blackface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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