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https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-governor/2019/03/12/kentucky-gov-matt-bevin-signs-permitless-concealed-carry-bill/3137955002/

 

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Gov. Matt Bevin signed into law Monday a bill that lets people carry a concealed gun without first getting a permit or completing a background check and safety training.

 

Senate Bill 150 was backed by the National Rifle Association but opposed by groups such as Louisville Metro Police and the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

 

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One legal question that is vexing here.

 

When the founding fathers enshrined concealed carry in the Constitution did they envision shoving the musket down your pants leg and walking stiff legged like Bender stealing a sword? Or slung over your back like a katana with a really bulking coat on top of it?

 

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12 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

How many people will die because gun nuts need that "civil right"?

 

AFAIK, the other states that have permitless carry have not seen an increase in gun deaths because of the law change.  And the people who were killing others in the streets were generally carrying illegally in the first place (either because they didn't have a permit, and/or they were a prohibited person such as a felon or domestic abuser.) This will have negligible impact on gun deaths one way or another.  

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8 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

AFAIK, the other states that have permitless carry have not seen an increase in gun deaths because of the law change.  And the people who were killing others in the streets were generally carrying illegally in the first place (either because they didn't have a permit, and/or they were a prohibited person such as a felon or domestic abuser.) This will have negligible impact on gun deaths one way or another.  

 

How many additional deaths do you find to be an acceptable cost?

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http://vpc.org/press/states-with-weak-gun-laws-and-higher-gun-ownership-lead-nation-in-gun-deaths-new-data-for-2017-confirms/

 

http://vpc.org/press/more-than-1200-non-self-defense-deaths-involving-concealed-carry-killers-since-2007-latest-violence-policy-center-research-shows/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2017/10/19/states-with-looser-concealed-carry-laws-have-more-gun-deaths-study-says/?utm_term=.780f47c4fec0

 

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304057

 

 

Objectives. To examine the relation of “shall-issue” laws, in which permits must be issued if requisite criteria are met; “may-issue” laws, which give law enforcement officials wide discretion over whether to issue concealed firearm carry permits or not; and homicide rates.

Methods. We compared homicide rates in shall-issue and may-issue states and total, firearm, nonfirearm, handgun, and long-gun homicide rates in all 50 states during the 25-year period of 1991 to 2015. We included year and state fixed effects and numerous state-level factors in the analysis.

Results. Shall-issue laws were significantly associated with 6.5% higher total homicide rates, 8.6% higher firearm homicide rates, and 10.6% higher handgun homicide rates, but were not significantly associated with long-gun or nonfirearm homicide.

Conclusions. Shall-issue laws are associated with significantly higher rates of total, firearm-related, and handgun-related homicide.

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7 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

http://vpc.org/press/states-with-weak-gun-laws-and-higher-gun-ownership-lead-nation-in-gun-deaths-new-data-for-2017-confirms/

 

http://vpc.org/press/more-than-1200-non-self-defense-deaths-involving-concealed-carry-killers-since-2007-latest-violence-policy-center-research-shows/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2017/10/19/states-with-looser-concealed-carry-laws-have-more-gun-deaths-study-says/?utm_term=.780f47c4fec0

 

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304057

 

 

Objectives. To examine the relation of “shall-issue” laws, in which permits must be issued if requisite criteria are met; “may-issue” laws, which give law enforcement officials wide discretion over whether to issue concealed firearm carry permits or not; and homicide rates.

Methods. We compared homicide rates in shall-issue and may-issue states and total, firearm, nonfirearm, handgun, and long-gun homicide rates in all 50 states during the 25-year period of 1991 to 2015. We included year and state fixed effects and numerous state-level factors in the analysis.

Results. Shall-issue laws were significantly associated with 6.5% higher total homicide rates, 8.6% higher firearm homicide rates, and 10.6% higher handgun homicide rates, but were not significantly associated with long-gun or nonfirearm homicide.

Conclusions. Shall-issue laws are associated with significantly higher rates of total, firearm-related, and handgun-related homicide.

 

Seen any studies about “constitutional carry” states?

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1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So requiring gun owners to display that they can responsibly handle guns is an infringement on their civil right? I can't even get frustrated anymore. Evolution will deal with the mindset that actually believes this.

 

I'm actually not opposed to training requirements in order to get a concealed weapons permit (I have one myself), but I am opposed to a "may issue" system like what is in place in NY, CA, NJ and a few other states.  May-issue unfairly hits the poor, and especially minorities, the hardest.  

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3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

I'm actually not opposed to training requirements in order to get a concealed weapons permit (I have one myself), but I am opposed to a "may issue" system like what is in place in NY, CA, NJ and a few other states.  May-issue unfairly hits the poor, and especially minorities, the hardest.  

 

Come on man, don’t pretend that Mclumber “We need silencers” 1’s concern is poor and brown people having a hard time getting permits :p

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1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So requiring gun owners to display that they can responsibly handle guns is an infringement on their civil right? I can't even get frustrated anymore. Evolution will deal with the mindset that actually believes this.

If I have to show my goddamn ID every single time I vote, and have to prove I'm a US citizen when I register, gun owners should have to do the same at the very least

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1 hour ago, sblfilms said:

 

Seen any studies about “constitutional carry” states?

Vermont has had constitutional carry since its founding in 1791 and is most years the safest state in the union as far as gun violence goes. It usually bounces around in the top spots.

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