Pikachu Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ethiopian-airlines-flight-bound-for-nairobi-crashes-with-157-on-board/2019/03/10/0be5826c-4310-11e9-90f0-0ccfeec87a61_story.html?utm_term=.fa221d1c41f4 Quote Ethiopian Airlines flight 302 bound for Nairobi crashed Sunday killing all 157 people on board, according to state media. The state affiliated Fana Broadcasting cited the airline saying there were no survivors from the flight. According to the airline, the flight took off at 8:38 a.m. and lost contact six minutes later, crashing near the city of Bishoftu less than 40 miles to the southeast of Addis Ababa. “It is believed that there were 149 passengers and eight crew onboard the flight but we are currently confirming the details of the passenger manifest for the flight,” the airline said in a statement. The airline set up emergency hotline numbers for families and friends of victims and changed the cover image on its Facebook page to black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Quote The recently acquired aircraft was the same Boeing 737 Max 8 model involved in the crash of an Indonesian aircraft in October. This isn't looking good for the Max 8... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 China has ordered all of its 737 Max 8s to be grounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Oh joy, I just used a max 8 last week to go to and from sfo. -.- It also seems a few airlines are grounding their max 8 planes (other than China). If the crash is over the same fault then Boeing needs to get the shit sued out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 An anchor on NPR this morning said while he was taking a flight back from Washington, it was not lost on him that his aircraft was the same model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 The flight data recorder has been recovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 It’s a strange coincidence this happened and I started watching “The Widow” on Amazon prime that also deals with a commuter plane crashing in Africa and killing everyone on board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Stocks crash (not trying to be funny, it's just the best word I could use): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Stocks crash (not trying to be funny, it's just the best word I could use): Whose stocks are these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, CayceG said: Whose stocks are these? Boeing. It's already recovered much of the drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 42 minutes ago, CayceG said: Whose stocks are these? ....... That would have been good information for me to include. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Indonesia has ordered its Max 8s to be grounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 China and Ethiopia also ground their MAX 8 fleets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I get so excited for trips that I can't imagine all the build-up and then the shock as the plane begins to lose altitude/control. I'm glad this doesn't happen in America (I think it's been decades since a plane has crashed), but it was disconcerting that these same Boeing planes are used in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I get so excited for trips that I can't imagine all the build-up and then the shock as the plane begins to lose altitude/control. I'm glad this doesn't happen in America (I think it's been decades since a plane has crashed), but it was disconcerting that these same Boeing planes are used in the US. wut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I'm glad this doesn't happen in America (I think it's been decades since a plane has crashed), but it was disconcerting that these same Boeing planes are used in the US. Oh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I get so excited for trips that I can't imagine all the build-up and then the shock as the plane begins to lose altitude/control. I'm glad this doesn't happen in America (I think it's been decades since a plane has crashed), but it was disconcerting that these same Boeing planes are used in the US. I did some research a few months back, because I hate flying, and the last domestic flight (scheduled take off and landing in US) to crash in the United States was in the 80s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, SilentWorld said: wut Just now, SFLUFAN said: Oh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EmPKlRVzwE Is that a commercial plane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: wut Just now, osxmatt said: I did some research a few months back, because I hate flying, and the last domestic flight (scheduled take off and landing in US) to crash in the United States was in the 80s. There you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, SaysWho? said: Is that a commercial plane? An Amazon Boeing 767. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Also I did some reading about the crash in October, and it wasn't considered an issue with the plane, at least according to Boeing. Apparently it has an automated system that corrects the nose down, if it detects the nose is too high at any time. Apparently the instruments were getting the wrong information (not sure how that isn't the fault of Boeing), indicating the nose was up, which it wasn't, and was corrected down. The pilots were unaware of how to turn off this automated system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I'm glad this doesn't happen in America (I think it's been decades since a plane has crashed) FU I fly tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: There you go. Take that back. The list I was looking at was incomplete. Looks like there was one in 94 and 96. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Also I did some reading about the crash in October, and it wasn't considered an issue with the plan, at least according to Boeing. Apparently it has an automated system that corrects the nose down, if it detects the nose is too high at any time. Apparently the instruments were getting the wrong information (not sure how that isn't the fault of Boeing), indicating the nose was up, which it wasn't, and was corrected down. The pilots were unaware of how to turn off this automated system. ... Can they not just pull back on the sticks? If there is no manual stick override, then the plane is definitely not fit to fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: An Amazon Boeing 767. Three people? Dude, that's not a commercial flight. I am not talking about all planes for any flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Take that back. The list I was looking at was incomplete. Looks like there was one in 94 and 96. Well looks like there was one in 2006 too. Good luck @2user1cup! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: ... Can they not just pull back on the sticks? If there is no manual stick override, then the plane is definitely not fit to fly. https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/africa/ethiopian-airlines-crash-boeing-max-8-intl/index.html Quote At the root of October's Lion Air crash was a new safety system installed in the MAX 8 plane, known as the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS), that automatically pulls the plane's nose down if data suggests it is at risk. In that flight, the system was responding to faulty data that suggested the nose was tilted at a higher angle than it was, indicating the plane was at risk of stalling. Lion Air crash: Pilots fought automatic safety system before plane plunged The pilots subsequently engaged in a futile tug-of-war with the plane's automatic systems, trying to reverse a nosedive that should not be triggered so soon after takeoff. Boeing has argued that pilots should have identified the system was in operation, and turned it off. "All pilots should have been trained on that function after Lion Air," Schiavo added. "Boeing did something very unusual for any manufacturer -- it sent out an emergency bulletin and told all airlines to make sure they trained the pilots in the shut-off procedure." "This is one of the things that should never be happening after takeoff," Schiavo said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Take that back. The list I was looking at was incomplete. Looks like there was one in 94 and 96. Eh, doesn't change much as no commercial crashes in decades is pretty fucking amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 You guys dont count the Rockaway crash or the Colgan Air crash? Either way it's a ridiculous safety record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jose said: You guys dont count the Rockaway crash or the Colgan Air crash? Either way it's a ridiculous safety record. Ok the original list I was looking at sucks because I didn't see the Colgan Air crash. Looked in to that. Definitely "counts." I don't count Rockaway, at least under the parameters I had established, because it was scheduled for arrival in Dominican Republican. I was previously talking about take off and landings scheduled in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Ok the original list I was looking at sucks because I didn't see the Colgan Air crash. Looked in to that. Definitely "counts." I don't count Rockaway, at least under the parameters I had established, because it was scheduled for arrival in Dominican Republican. I was previously talking about take off and landings scheduled in the US. That REALLY seems like cherry picking. The airline was American Airlines and it crashed in Queens right after takeoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jose said: That REALLY seems like cherry picking. The airline was American Airlines and it crashed in Queens right after takeoff. Oh no doubt. I have to fly a lot domestically for work, and it's how I convince myself of airline safety. That large carriers, with flights taking off and landing in the continental US, rarely crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Surprised no one mentioned the miracle on the hudson because that's what I was originally thinking of when @SaysWho? saying that he thought it had been decades since a plane crashed in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: Surprised no one mentioned the miracle on the hudson because that's what I was originally thinking of when @SaysWho? saying that he thought it had been decades since a plane crashed in the US. That was a wonderful story. But that's not a crash. That's a badass landing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 We should switch the airplanes back to the steam, presumably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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