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1 minute ago, Bloodporne said:

He probably likes Bird Man.  

 

Inception and Birdman are both fantastic films. I will never understand the small but loud group who thinks it's cool to hate on Birdman. That was a hell of a formalist piece of filmmaking technique and improvisational jazz as film. It was an experience to watch it. 

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I can understand why people might not like some of Nolan’s movies or think he’s overrated, but I’m a huge fan of pretty much everything he’s done. I’m even a bit of a Dark Knight Rises apologist. 

 

I’m immediately on board for whatever he does next.

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12 minutes ago, TheLeon said:

I can understand why people might not like some of Nolan’s movies or think he’s overrated, but I’m a huge fan of pretty much everything he’s done. I’m even a bit of a Dark Knight Rises apologist. 

 

I’m immediately on board for whatever he does next.

 

Christopher Nolan has never made a bad film. He's made divisive films and dumb films (The Dark Knight Rises and Interstellar come to mind) but even they are still pretty epic, entertaining films regardless. Anyone who says any of his films are bad haven't seen bad films. Hell, his films aren't ever even bland, which may be a worse offense than being bad for a movie. 

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3 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

Christopher Nolan has never made a bad film. He's made divisive films and dumb films (The Dark Knight Rises and Interstellar come to mind) but even they are still pretty epic, entertaining films regardless. Anyone who says any of his films are bad haven't seen bad films. Hell, his films aren't ever even bland, which may be a worse offense than being bad for a movie. 

I really enjoy Dark Knight Rises but it’s SUPER dumb and I feel like it gets dumber every time I rewatch it. I’m almost at the point where it’s an unintentional comedy. 

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30 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Inception and Birdman are both fantastic films. I will never understand the small but loud group who thinks it's cool to hate on Birdman. That was a hell of a formalist piece of filmmaking technique and improvisational jazz as film. It was an experience to watch it. 

I don't think it's cool to hate on it and I didn't read others' reviews, just thought it was a monumental pile of dog shit when I watched it without prior knowledge. A true bar of awfulness. 

 

I do absolutely love Interstellar and refuse to read reviews because of it haha

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5 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

I really enjoy Dark Knight Rises but it’s SUPER dumb and I feel like it gets dumber every time I rewatch it. I’m almost at the point where it’s an unintentional comedy. 

 

I mean, it's a comic book movie. It's no worse or dumber than a number of MCU films. I rewatched it recently and quite enjoyed it. particularly all the prison stuff (wish the whole movie had been that). I enjoy it personally, but it's nowhere close to Batman Begins or The Dark Knight for me.

 

 

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Just now, Greatoneshere said:

 

That's some hyperbole. Have you ever actually seen bad films?

It's not hyperbole, that's my opinion. It fucking sucked so badly, I still remember it as one of the most unpleasant piles of pretentious crap I've seen in years. It's up there with Vincent Gallo's films for me. 

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1 minute ago, Bloodporne said:

It's not hyperbole, that's my opinion. It fucking sucked so badly, I still remember it as one of the most unpleasant piles of pretentious crap I've seen in years. It's up there with Vincent Gallo's films for me. 

 

Yeah, it's as bad as Wild Hogs or Gotti. :silly:

 

But, hey, I agree that many found the film pretentious, but I don't think a film having one flaw (being pretentious) when there are a thousand other aspects of the film to consider can make it as terrible as you say it is. But, I don't want to re-litigate Birdman again, so s'all good, feel how you feel about it. :)

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Since we're talking about Nolan films I just want to say that I find Interstellar incredibly frustrating because it was nearly great, but through self injuries prevented itself from being so.

 

Beautiful cinematography.

A master-class unique score from Zimmer to set it.

Some really excellent scenes including the handling of their return from the time dilation, and the docking scene.

A positive message that brings wonder back to science and exploration.

 

And somehow, it still fucked itself!

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9 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Yeah, it's as bad as Wild Hogs or Gotti. :silly:

 

But, hey, I agree that many found the film pretentious, but I don't think a film having one flaw (being pretentious) when there are a thousand other aspects of the film to consider can make it as terrible as you say it is. But, I don't want to re-litigate Birdman again, so s'all good, feel how you feel about it. :)

It won an Oscar, obviously others like it and surely it's not objectively bad. I just happen to think it's hot garbage and I'd rather watch Bohemian Rhapsody three times in a row than Bird Man ever again...while receiving a blowjob from a 68 year old meth head on public transportation in downtown Baltimore. 

 

Wild Hogs is at least so hideously bad it's funny! (I watched it on a plane, don't judge me)

 

 

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1 minute ago, Bloodporne said:

It won an Oscar, obviously others like it and surely it's not objectively bad. I just happen to think it's hot garbage and I'd rather watch Bohemian Rhapsody three times in a row than Bird Man ever again...while receiving a blowjob from a 68 year old meth head on public transportation in downtown Baltimore. 

 

Wild Hogs is at least so hideously bad it's funny!

 

I think you're taking your viewing of Birdman a bit personally. :p 

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4 minutes ago, legend said:

Since we're talking about Nolan films I just want to say that I find Interstellar incredibly frustrating because it was nearly great, but through self injuries prevented itself from being so.

 

Beautiful cinematography.

A master-class unique score from Zimmer to set it.

Some really excellent scenes including the handling of their return from the time dilation, and the docking scene.

A positive message that brings wonder back to science and exploration.

 

And somehow, it still fucked itself!

 

Interstellar has grown on me with every viewing (and I agree with your criticisms and have many of my own to add) because it is so powerful emotionally. This article says some of what I feel well enough:

 

https://www.slashfilm.com/interstellar-is-christopher-nolans-best-movie/

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Just now, Greatoneshere said:

 

Interstellar has grown on me with every viewing (and I agree with your criticisms) because it is so powerful emotionally. This article says some of what I feel well enough:

 

https://www.slashfilm.com/interstellar-is-christopher-nolans-best-movie/

 

Maybe I'll give it another whirl sometime. I feel like it should have been up there with BR2049 for me given everything it has going for it.

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Just now, legend said:

Maybe I'll give it another whirl sometime. I feel like it should have been up there with BR2049 for me given everything it has going for it.

 

I think the film is much more interested being emotionally moving than it is in being scientifically accurate or having it's very nonsensical third act make any sense. It should have done all of the above, but I don't want to take away from how powerful it can be on a character level even though it often fails on a story level. 

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3 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Interstellar has grown on me with every viewing (and I agree with your criticisms and have many of my own to add) because it is so powerful emotionally. This article says some of what I feel well enough:

 

https://www.slashfilm.com/interstellar-is-christopher-nolans-best-movie/

That's what I love about it personally. It's incredibly emotional, wondrous and...sweet? It has such great inspired momentum and every time I've watched it, I was swept up in it and felt a great sense of joy. That's a rare experience for me at this point. 

 

I'll add that I've watched it four times total I think and I've been so caught up in it, that I never really analyzed the third act on any particularly logical level somehow. I simply like the sweetness and the family aspect of it all. 

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11 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

I mean, it's a comic book movie. It's no worse or dumber than a number of MCU films. I rewatched it recently and quite enjoyed it. particularly all the prison stuff (wish the whole movie had been that). I enjoy it personally, but it's nowhere close to Batman Begins or The Dark Knight for me.

I think it’s a fair bit dumber than some of the worse MCU movies, but part of that is because I think Batman Begins started out perhaps not “smart” but REALLY leaned into a grounded (sliding scale of course) explanation for everything down to shit like municipal water pressure.

 

Then in Rises, Gotham is under literal mob rule and I’m supposed to believe people are tuning into and giving a shit about the ethical implications of a police commissioner lying at the funeral of a district attorney when the message is being delivered from the leader of the occupying terrorist force? Gotham could get nuked at any moment and Batman has the time to do the world’s biggest Banksky? Batman needed a pro tip to realize Bane’s weak point might be his elaborate mask? Talia goes by an alias is but didn’t need to because Batman had no idea Ra’s had a kid?

 

Again none of this takes away from the movie being compelling but it’s weird to watch all three movies in succession given where Begins started and Rises ends. Begins and TDK didn’t have a lot of “The Prestige” type shit, where the main intent was to fool the viewer. Rises has a BUNCH of that. So it’s uncharitable for me to say it’s unintentionally funny, that’s just hyperbole on my part (the bat logo shit is super goofy tho). But it stands out from the other two Nolan Bat films in a few weird ways.

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5 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

I think it’s a fair bit dumber than some of the worse MCU movies, but part of that is because I think Batman Begins started out perhaps not “smart” but REALLY leaned into a grounded (sliding scale of course) explanation for everything down to shit like municipal water pressure.

 

Then in Rises, Gotham is under literal mob rule and I’m supposed to believe people are tuning into and giving a shit about the ethical implications of a police commissioner lying at the funeral of a district attorney when the message is being delivered from the leader of the occupying terrorist force? Gotham could get nuked at any moment and Batman has the time to do the world’s biggest Banksky? Batman needed a pro tip to realize Bane’s weak point might be his elaborate mask? Talia goes by an alias is but didn’t need to because Batman had no idea Ra’s had a kid?

 

Again none of this takes away from the movie being compelling but it’s weird to watch all three movies in succession given where Begins started and Rises ends. Begins and TDK didn’t have a lot of “The Prestige” type shit, where the main intent was to fool the viewer. Rises has a BUNCH of that. So it’s uncharitable for me to say it’s unintentionally funny, that’s just hyperbole on my part (the bat logo shit is super goofy tho). But it stands out from the other two Nolan Bat films in a few weird ways.

 

I agree with your entire post. What's funny is the only part I disagreed with in your original post was the "unintentionally funny" part, so now that you've said that was hyperbole, I'm good. I totally agree - the movie is goofy at times (the fire Bat logo for sure) and parts of it just don't make sense. But I don't think it skates close to unintentional comedy - I still am able to take the movie seriously and there are some great highlights (first Batman vs. Bane fight scene). Your entire post is correct (though I think some MCU movies ware just as dumb and have plenty of unrealistic silly moments like the fire Bat logo) to me about TDKR, especially that it is weird watching it in succession from BB and TDK (which fit much better with each other). 

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27 minutes ago, legend said:

Since we're talking about Nolan films I just want to say that I find Interstellar incredibly frustrating because it was nearly great, but through self injuries prevented itself from being so.

  

Beautiful cinematography.

A master-class unique score from Zimmer to set it.

Some really excellent scenes including the handling of their return from the time dilation, and the docking scene.

A positive message that brings wonder back to science and exploration.

 

And somehow, it still fucked itself!

 

I thought it was great!

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2 hours ago, TheLeon said:

I can understand why people might not like some of Nolan’s movies or think he’s overrated, but I’m a huge fan of pretty much everything he’s done. I’m even a bit of a Dark Knight Rises apologist. 

 

I’m immediately on board for whatever he does next.

 

No such thing as an apologist.

 

You're simply a good man.

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3 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

I thought it was great!

 

THIS we can agree on. I loved that movie and didn't get the hate for it when it came out.

 

3 hours ago, legend said:

 

Maybe I'll give it another whirl sometime. I feel like it should have been up there with BR2049 for me given everything it has going for it.

 

I just recently watched it with my 17 year old niece who is turning into a bit of a film buff and watching it with her was actually a joy. She really liked it and all of the emotional beats really worked for her and affected her even when

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Tars "sacrificed" himself so that the humans could escape the black hole.

 

Nolan really was effective in taking a very heady, sci-fi flick and imbuing it with a level of emotion and heart that had people feeling for robots that looked like cabinets :lol:

 

The script had so many turns in it that I think when the film first came out, a lot of people just didn't "get" the movie and were so lost with the technical stuff they could't get into the story. It's not a popcorn flick and requires decent amount of attention to follow the story (like Inception) and I think in a theater, folks just didn't get it initially but in their homes, with the ability to pause and rewind the film was easier to follow. I've always maintained that it was a very underrated film and that it received a lot of undeserved hate because it just flew over a lot of people's heads. It's not perfect by any means, but it IS great.

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10 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 

THIS we can agree on. I loved that movie and didn't get the hate for it when it came out.

 

 

I just recently watched it with my 17 year old niece who is turning into a bit of a film buff and watching it with her was actually a joy. She really liked it and all of the emotional beats really worked for her and affected her even when

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Nolan really was effective in taking a very heady, sci-fi flick and imbuing it with a level of emotion and heart that had people feeling for robots that looked like cabinets :lol:

 

The script had so many turns in it that I think when the film first came out, a lot of people just didn't "get" the movie and were so lost with the technical stuff they could't get into the story. It's not a popcorn flick and requires decent amount of attention to follow the story (like Inception) and I think in a theater, folks just didn't get it initially but in their homes, with the ability to pause and rewind the film was easier to follow. I've always maintained that it was a very underrated film and that it received a lot of undeserved hate because it just flew over a lot of people's heads. It's not perfect by any means, but it IS great.

 

You are probably right about it flying over people's heads. Simultaneously, a lot of the end was beating you over the head with "THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING" :p 

 

Or at least that is my recollection. It's been some time now and I probably can't give an especially deep critique of what didn't work for me at this point.

 

Fortunately for the movie, I do remember what I did like of it better.

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From some friends at least, I got the impression that they thought Interstellar was "Nolan does 2001: Space Odyssey" and in tone and message, it's almost an anti-2001. As in, two friends I discussed it with dismissed it because they were looking for Hard Sci-Fi and grimness, not a cathartic tale of human connection overcoming unreal boundaries (to put it simply).

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